More gun stuff
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Missouri is the size of England.
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Wait. What prompts the bbc, in jolly old, to cherry pick ONE state out of FIFTY states,
to try to find a murder rate that went up, allegedly after a gun control law
was repealed.
Couldn't there have been other reasons for the murder rate? Like a federal clamp down on gangs, maybe?
Like, maybe St. Louis is one of the most dangerous, violent crime ridden cities in the U.S. ?
Competition of two different drug cartels finally duking in out, since one moved in with encouragement
from Obamao and HOlder, with guns from "Fast and Furious" ?
And gangs have illegal weapons. They trade in them. And murder U.S. agents with them.
From the illegal black market, from overeseas, and I suppose from some American illegal buyer here.
But a freaking control law that affects me, and millions of legal, law abiding American citizens sure as hell
won't change that illegal behavior one freakin bit.
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Yeah. I call bbc biased.
A quick lookup:
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We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News | Mail Online - Daily Mailwww.dailymail.co.uk/.../We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.ht...Daily MailA leaked account of an 'impartiality summit' called by BBC chairman Michael Grade, is certain to lead to a new row about the BBC and its reporting on key issues ...Is the BBC biased?isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2 days ago - s hidden microphones in BBC H.Q. caught the following discussion .... (I could almost hear Iain Duncan Smith fuming about BBC bias as the ...Hard Evidence: How biased is the BBC? - New Statesmanwww.newstatesman.com/.../hard-evidence-how-biased-bb...New StatesmanAug 23, 2013 - Does the BBC really have a left-wing, anti-business agenda as certain elements of the press like to claim? Or is there more to it than that?And the award for most biased BBC journalist of the year goes to ...blogs.telegraph.co.uk › ... › Politics › Toby YoungThe Daily TelegraphDec 18, 2013 - Most Biased BBC Journalist. Many people will have their own favourites for this category, but mine is Hannah Richardson, a correspondent for ...BBC is biased toward the left, study finds - Telegraphwww.telegraph.co.uk › ... › TV and Radio › BBCThe Daily TelegraphAug 11, 2013 - The BBC is twice as likely to cover left-wing policy proposals than those that are right-wing, a study has found.News for bbc biasedBBC is too political when it comes to reporting politicsEvening Standard - 1 day agoPolitical bias tends to be found in the eyes of the beholder. The Labour voter will see a rich seam of Conservative propaganda in certain media ... -
I read this post from some guy named Erik, in Mo.
It's just interesting...
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"FWIW, Jennings is the next 'town' south of me. The St Louis County police took over law enforcement and one of the most classically racist PD's was shut down. Only three cops from that PD of 18 were retained, the rest were fired. I had no idea until a coworker of mine told me about what it was like to grow up near there as a black person. Bull Conner had nothing on them...
And those were who anyone in that town had to go to in order to get permission to buy a pistol. If you wanted to carry it, you had to be a deputy. Deputization was almost unilaterally the perview of the white male. MO CCW fixed a LOT of issues and I would gladly go toe to toe with those who are blaming it for the crime rate in MO." -
Correlation does not equal causation. Like Legacy said, how did Missouri's murder rates compare to the rest of the U.S. over the same time period? This article definitely fits the BBC's "oh god Americans are gun yielding nuts" agenda.
There are so many variables that would have to be covered (job loss/poverty, location, drug abuse/markets) in order to draw a total picture. St. Louis I imagine accounts for a good deal of gun murer in Missouri. East St Louis looks like Fallujah.
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If you have such a problem with the BBC, pick your own source, there are plenty. Trouble is, most I can identify as left-leaning - if someone can find a right wing article on this study I'd love to see it. The cynic in me says that none will publish one because it doesn't fit their agenda - am I wrong on that?
Logic, yes, the general theme from over here is very much 'guns are bad' and you'll struggle to find anyone in this country lobbying for wider access to guns.
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If you have such a problem with the BBC, pick your own source, there are plenty. Trouble is, most I can identify as left-leaning - if someone can find a right wing article on this study I'd love to see it. The cynic in me says that none will publish one because it doesn't fit their agenda - am I wrong on that?
Logic, yes, the general theme from over here is very much 'guns are bad' and you'll struggle to find anyone in this country lobbying for wider access to guns.
If you have such a problem with the BBC, pick your own source, there are plenty. Trouble is, most I can identify as left-leaning - if someone can find a right wing article on this study I'd love to see it. The cynic in me says that none will publish one because it doesn't fit their agenda - am I wrong on that?
Logic, yes, the general theme from over here is very much 'guns are bad' and you'll struggle to find anyone in this country lobbying for wider access to guns.
You can find studies on both sides that support their agenda. The problem is that they have agendas so you can't trust how they compiled the data. It is rare to get a balanced review of data pertaining to a political hot button issue.
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If you have such a problem with the BBC, pick your own source, there are plenty. Trouble is, most I can identify as left-leaning - if someone can find a right wing article on this study I'd love to see it. The cynic in me says that none will publish one because it doesn't fit their agenda - am I wrong on that?
Logic, yes, the general theme from over here is very much 'guns are bad' and you'll struggle to find anyone in this country lobbying for wider access to guns.
You can find studies on both sides that support their agenda. The problem is that they have agendas so you can't trust how they compiled the data. It is rare to get a balanced review of data pertaining to a political hot button issue.
You can find studies on both sides that support their agenda. The problem is that they have agendas so you can't trust how they compiled the data. It is rare to get a balanced review of data pertaining to a political hot button issue.
Agreed, so do you propose that we just disregard any topic because you can't find impartial reports? Trust me, I really tried to find a counter-view on this article. Just couldn't.
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You can find studies on both sides that support their agenda. The problem is that they have agendas so you can't trust how they compiled the data. It is rare to get a balanced review of data pertaining to a political hot button issue.
Agreed, so do you propose that we just disregard any topic because you can't find impartial reports? Trust me, I really tried to find a counter-view on this article. Just couldn't.
Agreed, so do you propose that we just disregard any topic because you can't find impartial reports? Trust me, I really tried to find a counter-view on this article. Just couldn't.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UwZC0PldUgk Just one that I found pretty quickly.
You can find countering reports pretty easily. The problem is that they suffer from the same sort of problems as the anti-gun studies. Too many variables can effect crime and violence. What can't be disputed is that gun crime over the last 10 or so years has declined and gun laws have loosened. That does not mean that "more guns = less crime" it just means that gun crime declined over a time period in which gun laws loosened. It could be a decrease in gang activity, increase in social programs, employment levels in neighborhoods have low or high crime levels, etc. Just too many things to figure in.
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Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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Agreed, so do you propose that we just disregard any topic because you can't find impartial reports? Trust me, I really tried to find a counter-view on this article. Just couldn't.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UwZC0PldUgk Just one that I found pretty quickly.
You can find countering reports pretty easily. The problem is that they suffer from the same sort of problems as the anti-gun studies. Too many variables can effect crime and violence. What can't be disputed is that gun crime over the last 10 or so years has declined and gun laws have loosened. That does not mean that "more guns = less crime" it just means that gun crime declined over a time period in which gun laws loosened. It could be a decrease in gang activity, increase in social programs, employment levels in neighborhoods have low or high crime levels, etc. Just too many things to figure in.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UwZC0PldUgk Just one that I found pretty quickly.
You can find countering reports pretty easily. The problem is that they suffer from the same sort of problems as the anti-gun studies. Too many variables can effect crime and violence. What can't be disputed is that gun crime over the last 10 or so years has declined and gun laws have loosened. That does not mean that "more guns = less crime" it just means that gun crime declined over a time period in which gun laws loosened. It could be a decrease in gang activity, increase in social programs, employment levels in neighborhoods have low or high crime levels, etc. Just too many things to figure in.
I meant that I couldn't find an opposing view on this particular report - most of the reports I could find were from 'liberal' outlets. I've no doubt you could find a report to back up basically any theory you could think up.
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Saw this. Hi-Point is awful but I would definitely take it over a pointy stick.
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Yup.
It looks like they found it in a ditch. Still worked apparently. Haha
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It grates my nerves when "assault rifle" as a term is improperly used.
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Given what people have been saying about criminal charges for negligible parents wrt gun control, this is presumably the kind of thing you had in mind?
What do you think - a case for the parent (dad, I guess) to answer in terms of negligence?
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"The Shelby Star reported that the children’s father and owner of the gun is Justin Carper, who writes a parenting column for the newspaper."
irony
If you have children in the home and you just leave your guns where a 3 year old could get them... yeah, I think you should be punished.
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"The Shelby Star reported that the children’s father and owner of the gun is Justin Carper, who writes a parenting column for the newspaper."
irony
If you have children in the home and you just leave your guns where a 3 year old could get them... yeah, I think you should be punished.
"The Shelby Star reported that the children’s father and owner of the gun is Justin Carper, who writes a parenting column for the newspaper."
irony
If you have children in the home and you just leave your guns where a 3 year old could get them... yeah, I think you should be punished.
Has he not been punished enough, having his daughter shot? I mean, he's not likely to leave his gun unlocked any time soon is he? Devil's advocate.
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Ehhh, I understand where you are coming from. But what if his 3 year old took it outside and shot the neighbor's kid on accident.
I think a punishment being in place would be more to deter future adults from leaving their gun on the counter with kids home in the future.
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I agree, but there are also things you have to be careful of. If you make the punishment a jail sentence, then you run the risk of the head of a a single parent family going to jail, his kids being presumably taken in to foster care, when really the best thing all around is for them to stay with a dad that loves them and has learnt his lesson.
on the other hand, if you make it punishable only by a fine, you end up with people perhaps not taking it seriously enough if it's too low, or it potentially crippling the family if it's too high.
I agree there needs to be a punishment, but a measure of common sense needs to be used in some cases, which will inevitably lead to inconsistencies in sentencing, which people will bang on about to no end.
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I agree. I mean, that could be said about a lot of crimes by heads of single family households that maybe got in desperate situations and needed to feed their kids. But I see how this example is a little different.
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