Jonathan Paul Manziel
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For those that dismiss the read/option I would argue that the threat of read/option or play action (NOT pocket passer only) is a big reason for the Hawk's success particularly over Denver who doesn't have a set up for the read/option they can even practice against. Why do you think Belichick brought in Tebow for their training camp. It wasn't to replace or back up Brady.
I think the 9ers could have beaten the Broncs. Just sayin' to ignore adding an offensive threat by getting a one dimensional QB is yesterday's thinking.
For those that dismiss the read/option I would argue that the threat of read/option or play action (NOT pocket passer only) is a big reason for the Hawk's success particularly over Denver who doesn't have a set up for the read/option they can even practice against. Why do you think Belichick brought in Tebow for their training camp. It wasn't to replace or back up Brady.
I think the 9ers could have beaten the Broncs. Just sayin' to ignore adding an offensive threat by getting a one dimensional QB is yesterday's thinking.
every team from the stone age have had QB run plays. so it is yesterday's thinking. i don't mind a mobile QB. i don't think anyone is advocating having a staue standing behind center. it's just the crazy run around like a chicken with his head cut off that will end manziel's career in the NFL sooner or later UNLESS you have a coach that can reel that part of his game in.
but it's hard to stop something you've been doing since grade school. imo he's an accident waiting to happen. BUT at the same time if the browns draft him, i'll root for the kid cuz god knows if he fails they'll still give him 2 more years to prove himself until we look at another QB in the draft.
that's why it's easier to swallow a bust when the pick is in a later round rather than the 4th. didn't we learn anything from the 'too good to be true' TR draft. and it wasn't PoG that loved that pick half of you johnny boys loved that pick as well. now you've done a 180 and act as though you weren't jumping for joy. i was there in the tavern. i know who you are.
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@Tox
Dude, this is my 23rd post. I joined 30 Jan. 14. Get your people straight. Clearly you think you have an inerrant memory but I'm not the one you say. Don't believe me...read my freaking posts...all 23 of them.
For the record, I prefer Pettine and Farmer don't draft a QB. If they do and pick a fragile one like Manziel then the Brown's offense won't be what I imagine it to be with Pettine and Kyle calling the shots. If that happens then I'm changing my mind about Pettine.
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yeah janis looked really good yesterday.
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@Tox
Dude, this is my 23rd post. I joined 30 Jan. 14. Get your people straight. Clearly you think you have an inerrant memory but I'm not the one you say. Don't believe me...read my freaking posts...all 23 of them.
For the record, I prefer Pettine and Farmer don't draft a QB. If they do and pick a fragile one like Manziel then the Brown's offense won't be what I imagine it to be with Pettine and Kyle calling the shots. If that happens then I'm changing my mind about Pettine.
@Tox
Dude, this is my 23rd post. I joined 30 Jan. 14. Get your people straight. Clearly you think you have an inerrant memory but I'm not the one you say. Don't believe me...read my freaking posts...all 23 of them.
For the record, I prefer Pettine and Farmer don't draft a QB. If they do and pick a fragile one like Manziel then the Brown's offense won't be what I imagine it to be with Pettine and Kyle calling the shots. If that happens then I'm changing my mind about Pettine.
i really wasn't aiming at you about manziel rather than the 'read option is the future' shit i've been hearing since RG3 came into the league.
i agree with you and have with most your posts. i think hoyer could run what pettine throws at him just fine and if he has to scramble when the pocket collapses (from the right side) i think he's shown he can do that as well.
he just needs to learn how to slide.
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i betcha the quinn love pages were up there then as well.
i know PoG pushed the limits with his TR threads.
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i betcha the quinn love pages were up there then as well.
i know PoG pushed the limits with his TR threads.
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Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
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Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
Every single one of those QBs is exactly 6', not that the 1" matters all that much.
Manziel will be the first QB taken in the first 2 rounds under 6'. At least he'll make history even if he doesn't pan out.
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hes 5 11 and 3/4...im sure measuring in the 60,s wasn't what it is today.height helps....but the way he runs a little parallel to the line of scrimmage helps offset the hight.
there is no Andrew luck this year.at least we think.I think he has the highest upside.Clowney will be gone for sure. and how do you take a Sammy Watkins when you dopnt have a QB to throw to him?If I was a gm id take the best QB IMO available...be it bort or bridge....and if it works great and if it doesn't you drafted the best outa what you were looking at.But we cant just pass on all three and suffer another year with no QB.
I don't care what if you don't have a good QB your not going far.
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we have a QB already and his name is brian hoyer.
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Bridgewater and Robinson.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Beckham actually has some meat on his bones and I wouldnt fear for his life every time he catches the ball like I do with Benji haha. Evans would be great, but if we dont grab him at 4 he'll be gone before the teens.
but that's why you trade down to where you hope and pray the guy is still there (diehard showed a new mock with him going @10 to detroit) so you'd hope to find a trade partner 2-3 spots below us and get what we can, picks wise for the move. i'm not advocating trading out of the top ten at all.
i was impressed with beckham's speed and his hands, but won't he be there in the later rounds? and there were plenty of others that impresed me as well.
clowney disappointed me with his bench press meaning he hasn't been really doing any strength training knowing the combines were coming up and that shows lack of commitment (which a lot of you were saying all along). and i'm not sold on any of the top 3 QBs so if the OL is gone i'd trade down.
clowney disappointed me with his bench press meaning he hasn't been really doing any strength training knowing the combines were coming up and that shows lack of commitment (which a lot of you were saying all along). and i'm not sold on any of the top 3 QBs so if the OL is gone i'd trade down.
I just read that bench press is a pretty meaningless parameter, unless you're a 98 pound weakling like me that can't even budge 225 off a bench. It's not a measure of functional football strength. Ziggy Ansah benched even less than Clowney- and did OK his first year in the pros.
Obviously Clowney didn't waste a lot of his time in the weight room just so he could show how many reps he could do at the combine. LOL is that guy who set the record for reps still on any NFL roster?
Incidentally, Clowney's 10 yard split compared favorably to just about any of the wrs. Shades of Michael Dean Perry. He doesn't have to be Hercules- like Mercury, he's going to be blowing by guys before they can get a hand on him. If they double team him, it opens it up for someone else.
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Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
Yup, and except the last two, most of them played when defensive ends measured 6'2".
we have a QB already and his name is brian hoyer.
Exactly.
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why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
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why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
Playing styles probably. Hoyer wasn't moving as much as Manziel does. He got hurt because he made a correct decision to run but didn't slide properly.
Hoyer being #3 on the depth chart will remain a mystery though. Although weedens signature is playing good in practice and even did in the preseason. Also, Hoyer was later to arrive. Heck, even weedens senior bowl practices impressed scouts before the actual game.
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Regardless of what was listed as the depth chart online Hoyer was the number 2 not 3 QB. I think they played Weeden at first because he had a decent pre season and they also wanted to play it out and see what the really did or did not have with Weeden. They probably stuck to that plan to long but realistically the FO looked at last year as an exploratory surgery as opposed to a potential winning season.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
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Not sure what the Brownsboard record for pages in one thread is ... But this thing will be pushing 50 before May.
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Zombo said:
Not sure what the Brownsboard record for pages in one thread is ... But this thing will be pushing 50 before May.
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Hot Cheerleaders, isn't it? Followed by Dickheads on Parade?
(but didn't the Trent Richardson trade blow things up here as well?)
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