Lombardi and Banner gone, Farmer new GM
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Philadelphia considers Pittsburgh a redneck, inbred, Western PA shithole. I know, my daughter lives in Philadelphia. They look down on you like a person looking down on a fresh turd about to be flushed.
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Formerly Sane said:
First of all you are either a bold faced liar or you prefer nasty cities; the two cities are night and day in every way. Secondly, saying that Pittsburgh has somewhat recently won some silly sports titles is like saying the Titanic sank from from hitting a somewhat chilly patch of water.
Great two line retort. Why don't you educate us with your wisdom oh great Shitsburgh guru. What exactly as a city in terms of attractions, dining or culture does Shitsburgh have that Cleveland does not.
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Formerly Sane,
I work in both Pittsburgh and Cleveland. I am quite literally in each of those cities multiple times per week (at least twice per city per week). I also have the benefit of having lived in other cities in other states (San Antonio, San Fran, D.C., Baltimore, Honolulu, etc.), so I have some outside form of reference. Believe me, sir, Pittsburgh and Cleveland are not "night and day" in possibly any way.
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Formerly Sane said:
I always said Joe Banner was the best hire the Browns ever made. Why? Because he knew how to make a football team successful in a city that was a complete and total disaster like Cleveland and Philly. Just for fun, look up the worst (worst crime, worst schools, worst city management, etc.) cities in the US and you will see that it represents the NFL's worst organizations.
Nobody in their right mind wants to work in these cities when they have a choice......Joe Banner made the Eagles successful in spite of Philly being one the countries worst cities.
Successful? You call 4-12 successful? Maybe from a Steeler perspective where you want the Browns to suck forever.
What Banner knew how to do was build an organization. Excepting Lombardi- one very bad hire greased his skids out of town. Joe's problem is he let his head get too big too fast- he wanted to run the whole enchillada funneling every decisoin through him, andHaslam (IMHO) rightly decided he wasn't up to the task.
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Formerly Sane said:
If you need to have it explained, you wouldn't get it anyway.
I've never been to either and would need it explained...try it?
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Formerly Sane said:
First of all you are either a bold faced liar or you prefer nasty cities; the two cities are night and day in every way. Secondly, saying that Pittsburgh has somewhat recently won some silly sports titles is like saying the Titanic sank from from hitting a somewhat chilly patch of water.
The two cities are the same in just about every way. That is a fact. The only reason you say they are different is because you want to believe Pittsburgh is superior. Trust me, it ain't.
....except in gaining those few sports titles.
....and how important is that really? It is just one aspect. No more important that having a quality Art Museum....Cleveland has one of the nation's Top 5. Or a symphony orchestra. Cleveland's is also Top 5. Or having the nation's only National Park in the middle of an Urban area (Cleveland/Akron) etc. etc.
Pittsburgh does have a better Ballet Troop.
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Formerly Sane said:
If you need to have it explained, you wouldn't get it anyway.
Translating what you said into what a "currently sane" person would hear..........." I really have no basis for my statement other than homer feelings, I am unable to translate that to details".
Listen I understand your homer opinion and to some degree have the same for Cleveland and NE Ohio in general. The difference between you and I is that I recognize when I am being a homer.
On a "getting real" level both cities have postiives and negatives. They are very similar as midwest blue collar based cities. I will give you that economic growth for business appears stronger in Pittsburgh at the moment. Generally as I said however the iron and steel based cities are mirror images.
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Formerly Sane said:
If you need to have it explained, you wouldn't get it anyway.
I've never been to either and would need it explained...try it?
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This story just doesn't seem to want to end :
Via Will Brinson of CBSSports.com, Pat Kirwan of CBS reports that the Browns’ newly hired offensive and defensive coordinators were to work under CEO Joe Banner.
The CBS report said Kirwan had been told by an unnamed league source that Banner had arranged so the coordinators reported to him.
This is probably why we lost out on Chip Kelly and other higher desired Coaches.
We now have Pettine, and I'm hoping he's going to be a good one for us . . .
EDIT :
Damage control ?
In contrast, the Browns have denied a CBS report that, under former CEO Joe Banner, the various coordinators reported not to the head coach but to Banner.
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This story just doesn't seem to want to end :
Via Will Brinson of CBSSports.com, Pat Kirwan of CBS reports that the Browns’ newly hired offensive and defensive coordinators were to work under CEO Joe Banner.
The CBS report said Kirwan had been told by an unnamed league source that Banner had arranged so the coordinators reported to him.
This is probably why we lost out on Chip Kelly and other higher desired Coaches.
We now have Pettine, and I'm hoping he's going to be a good one for us . . .
EDIT :
Damage control ?
In contrast, the Browns have denied a CBS report that, under former CEO Joe Banner, the various coordinators reported not to the head coach but to Banner.
This story just doesn't seem to want to end :
This is probably why we lost out on Chip Kelly and other higher desired Coaches.
We now have Pettine, and I'm hoping he's going to be a good one for us . . .
EDIT :
Damage control ?
I strongly doubt the coordinators wouldn't report to the HC - unless it was maybe for some personnel opinions.
Regardless, happy that guys gone.
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This story just doesn't seem to want to end :
This is probably why we lost out on Chip Kelly and other higher desired Coaches.
We now have Pettine, and I'm hoping he's going to be a good one for us . . .
EDIT :
Damage control ?
I strongly doubt the coordinators wouldn't report to the HC - unless it was maybe for some personnel opinions.
Regardless, happy that guys gone.
exactly what I was thinking. The only reason they would go to Banner would be for player/personnel evaluations. I think Banner and Lombardi had it out with Chud after the QB situation and trading TR at the beginning of the season.I strongly doubt the coordinators wouldn't report to the HC - unless it was maybe for some personnel opinions.
Regardless, happy that guys gone.
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