The Greatest QB in History. You Decide
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Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
Kelly/Dawson and Starr/Griese were the tough choices.
Zombo said:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
Kelly/Dawson and Starr/Griese were the tough choices.
I think they will get tougher from here on out.
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Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
My choices:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
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This link 'Cold Hard Football Facts' is to an old (2008) article titled "The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks".
I was recently on the Cold Hard Football Facts site looking for a comprehensive article for explaining the need for balance in football teams as opposed to thinking 'defenses wins games', so I thought I would check to see what those guys had to say. The above link is what I found.
Whereas the GOAT NFL QB is somewhat subjective (in the eyes of the beholder) the CHFF guys put numbers to the QBs to came up with their view.
I don't necessarily agree with them because I have strong biases against some in the list but I think you guys will like what's said about their their #4 GOAT.
Article excerpt:
4. OTTO GRAHAM (Cleveland 1946-55)
Best NFL season (1953): 167 for 258 (64.7%), 2,722 yards, 10.6 YPA, 11 TD, 9 INT, 99.7 passer rating
Career (includes AAFC career): 1,464 for 2,626 (55.8%), 23,584 yards, 9.0 YPA, 174 TD, 135 INT, 86.6 passer rating
Championships: AAFC 1946-49; NFL 1950, 1954, 1955
Overview: Otto Graham was Tom Brady before Tom Brady, putting up gaudy numbers for his time while winning games and championships at an unprecedented rate. He led the Browns to a championship in all four years of the AAFC's existence (1946-49). But he and the Browns proved they belonged in the big leagues by capturing the NFL title in their first year in the league.
In fact, they'd go on to set a record that still stands, appearing in six straight NFL championship games from 1950 to 1955, winning three of them. Bottom line: Graham played in a pro football championship game every single season of his 10-year career, winning seven of them in two different leagues.
He also set passing marks that stood for decades. His 86.6 passer rating, for example, is the top mark of the pre-Live Ball Era. And his career 9.0 YPA is No. 1 by a sizable margin.
So why, then, isn't Graham higher on the list?
His four years in the AAFC make for some awkward comparisons. There's every reason to believe the Browns would have been a dominant NFL team over those four years, but little reason to believe they would have won four straight championships. Graham's numbers also declined pretty noticeably when he went to the NFL, from simply unbelievable to merely spectacular. His career 9.0 YPA average, for example, drops to 8.63 if we look only at his NFL numbers. Of course, that 8.63 YPA mark is the best in NFL history, too.
The full measure of Graham's impact is this: the organization has never recovered from his departure at the end of the 1955 season. Sure, they remained competitive through the Jim Brown years (1957-65), winning a championship in 1964.
But that's the only championship the organization won since Graham last took a snap for the Browns.
Wonderful. Where are your votes? You can talk about him all you want...and that is all good talk, but he won't advance in this contest unless you vote for him.
Edit: I also think the same situation can be said for any number of other franchises...one great star brought them titles.
Look at New England. Had a couple of shots at the apple but no one ever matched Brady for what that team did.
Same with the Broncos and Elway. The Vikings haven't made it since Tarkenton. Dawson and the Chiefs. Where have the Jets been since Namath.
Wonderful. Where are your votes? You can talk about him all you want...and that is all good talk, but he won't advance in this contest unless you vote for him.
I don't know enough to vote. You guys know what you're talkin' 'bout.
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Wonderful. Where are your votes? You can talk about him all you want...and that is all good talk, but he won't advance in this contest unless you vote for him.
I don't know enough to vote. You guys know what you're talkin' 'bout.
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Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
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Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
Tom Brady
...or...Donovan McNabbJoe Montana
...or...Randall CunninghamJohn Elway
...or...Boomer EsiasonOtto Graham
...or...Kerry CollinsPeyton Manning
...or...Joe TheismanTerry Bradshaw
...or...Phil SimmsBart Starr
...or...Bob GrieseBrett Favre
...or...Ken StablerSid Luckman
...or...Kurt WarnerSammy Baugh
...or...Ben RoethlisbergerDan Marino
...or...Fran TarkentonTroy Aikman
...or...Eli ManningSteve Young
...or...Aaron Rodgers Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas
...or...Norm Van BrocklinRoger Staubach
...or Y.A. Tittle -
Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
Here we go with the Round of 32 matchups. Cast your vote for the better QB from these pairings:
Winners in this round:
Tom Brady...or...Donovan McNabb
Joe Montana...or...Randall Cunningham
John Elway...or...Boomer Esiason
Otto Graham...or...Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning...or...Joe Theisman
Terry Bradshaw...or...Phil Simms
Bart Starr...or...Bob Griese
Brett Favre...or...Ken Stabler
Sid Luckman...or...Kurt Warner
Sammy Baugh...or...Ben Roethlisberger
Dan Marino...or...Fran Tarkenton
Troy Aikman...or...Eli Manning
Steve Young...or...Aaron Rodgers
Jim Kelly...or...Len Dawson
John Unitas...or...Norm Van Brocklin
Roger Staubach...or Y.A. Tittle
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And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
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1. Joe Montana
and that ends the discussion for me
No one is even close.
If I had to pick a guy just on talent alone I'd pick Marino, but he wasn't a winner
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady. W...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana w...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or... W Troy Aikman
Otto Graham. W..or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas w...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning w...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or... W Brett Favre
Sid Luckman w...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
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And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
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Young over Montana? Can't see it
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And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady
...or...Len DawsonJoe Montana
...or...Steve YoungJohn Elway
...or...Troy AikmanOtto Graham
...or...Roger StaubachJohn Unitas
...or...Terry BradshawPeyton Manning
...or...Dan MarinoBart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman
...or...Sammy BaughCast Your Vote.
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1. Joe Montana
and that ends the discussion for me
No one is even close.
If I had to pick a guy just on talent alone I'd pick Marino, but he wasn't a winner
1. Joe Montana
and that ends the discussion for me
No one is even close.
If I had to pick a guy just on talent alone I'd pick Marino, but he wasn't a winner
Unless you cast your votes it won't do you any good to just say who you like.
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And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
And here are the Matchups for the Round of 16:
Tom Brady...or...Len Dawson
Joe Montana...or...Steve Young
John Elway...or...Troy Aikman
Otto Graham...or...Roger Staubach
John Unitas...or...Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning...or...Dan Marino
Bart Starr...or...Brett Favre
Sid Luckman...or...Sammy Baugh
Cast Your Vote.
Had to rely on Wikipedia for Sid Luckman--Sammy Baugh. I ain't THAT fucking old.
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I think Jurgenson would have made into the second round, and Brees into the third round.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think Jurgenson would have made into the second round, and Brees into the third round.
Zombo
Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them.
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Zombo said:
I think Jurgenson would have made into the second round, and Brees into the third round.
Zombo
Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them.
Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them.
Is that a short joke on Brees?
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Yea, maybe. What can I say? I just overlooked them.
Is that a short joke on Brees?
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