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  • It always makes me laugh when people screaming about personal freedom are pro life haha.

  • It always makes me laugh when people screaming about personal freedom are pro life haha.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    It always makes me laugh when people screaming about personal freedom are pro life haha.

    Why?

    I always laugh when I hear the "it's my body, I can do what I want with it" argument. Except there's a foreign body inside your body -that isn't yours. Why doesn't the foreign body get to be pro-choice and decide if it wants to live or die?

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    It always makes me laugh when people screaming about personal freedom are pro life haha.

    Why?

    I always laugh when I hear the "it's my body, I can do what I want with it" argument. Except there's a foreign body inside your body -that isn't yours. Why doesn't the foreign body get to be pro-choice and decide if it wants to live or die?

    @legacy-fan said:

    Why?

    I always laugh when I hear the "it's my body, I can do what I want with it" argument. Except there's a foreign body inside your body -that isn't yours. Why doesn't the foreign body get to be pro-choice and decide if it wants to live or die?

    Because I think that you should be able to do with yourself as you will. I don't think people should be shooting heroin in their arm while pregged up but I don't think someone should be policing what someone does to their body even when a baby is on board. Should something be done if a woman does something like crossfit and as a result of the strain on her body causes a miscarriage?

  • @legacy-fan said:

    Why?

    I always laugh when I hear the "it's my body, I can do what I want with it" argument. Except there's a foreign body inside your body -that isn't yours. Why doesn't the foreign body get to be pro-choice and decide if it wants to live or die?

    Because I think that you should be able to do with yourself as you will. I don't think people should be shooting heroin in their arm while pregged up but I don't think someone should be policing what someone does to their body even when a baby is on board. Should something be done if a woman does something like crossfit and as a result of the strain on her body causes a miscarriage?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Because I think that you should be able to do with yourself as you will. I don't think people should be shooting heroin in their arm while pregged up but I don't think someone should be policing what someone does to their body even when a baby is on board. Should something be done if a woman does something like crossfit and as a result of the strain on her body causes a miscarriage?

    If it's ignoring a medical professional's orders, then yes (along the lines of the legislation they're trying to pass regarding second hand smoke culpability). Speaking of, Crossfitters in particular are known for eschewing common medical guidelines. Their mascot is Rhabdo Clown (for rhabdomyolysis - destruction of muscle tissue due to over exertion).

    Medical professionals are held to standards that punish them for willful negligence.

  • No I think there is some point in there over half way in where it should be illegal. Since it is a gray area maybe beva little conservative and move the deadline a few weeks less. But I don't think "life" happens at conception and I don't think all abortions at any point should be illegal.

    @mld-woody said:

    No I think there is some point in there over half way in where it should be illegal. Since it is a gray area maybe beva little conservative and move the deadline a few weeks less. But I don't think "life" happens at conception and I don't think all abortions at any point should be illegal.

    There is no gray area, if you've actually studied it.

    The heart begins beating at day 22. (Early cardiac muscle cells can be cultured and beat on their own. They can beat in unison if connected)

    The sex is determined at conception.

    At conception all of the DNA for the human is present within the zygote.

    So please, shine a light on the theoretical gray area.

  • No, there child is not able to say 'please don't murder me, I want to live' and therefor are fair game for murderin'. God forbid the woman take a birth control pill or the man wear a condom. That's what Hitler would say!

  • Goddamn fascists trying to protect the rights of the unborn

  • No, there child is not able to say 'please don't murder me, I want to live' and therefor are fair game for murderin'. God forbid the woman take a birth control pill or the man wear a condom. That's what Hitler would say!

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    No, there child is not able to say 'please don't murder me, I want to live' and therefor are fair game for murderin'. God forbid the woman take a birth control pill or the man wear a condom. That's what Hitler would say!

    Maybe you should jump in front of the coat hanger.

  • Maybe you should put your penis envy gun in your mouth

  • Maybe you should put your penis envy gun in your mouth

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Maybe you should put your penis envy gun in your mouth

    Is that a brand of firearms? Can't say I would buy anything off of them.

    Or did you mean the opposite of what you wrote like the sassy fruit that you are?

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Maybe you should put your penis envy gun in your mouth

    Is that a brand of firearms? Can't say I would buy anything off of them.

    Or did you mean the opposite of what you wrote like the sassy fruit that you are?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Is that a brand of firearms? Can't say I would buy anything off of them.

    Or did you mean the opposite of what you wrote like the sassy fruit that you are?

    Talking to you feels ridiculous like trying to converse with a toad or an earthworm. Nice attempt at comedy. Are you taking lessons from joe rogan? Id ask for my money back. Stick to what you do well. Nothing.

  • An embryo is not a person.

    @mld-woody said:

    An embryo is not a person.

    babynoah.jpg

    Yes it is

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Is that a brand of firearms? Can't say I would buy anything off of them.

    Or did you mean the opposite of what you wrote like the sassy fruit that you are?

    Talking to you feels ridiculous like trying to converse with a toad or an earthworm. Nice attempt at comedy. Are you taking lessons from joe rogan? Id ask for my money back. Stick to what you do well. Nothing.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Talking to you feels ridiculous like trying to converse with a toad or an earthworm. Nice attempt at comedy. Are you taking lessons from joe rogan? Id ask for my money back. Stick to what you do well. Nothing.

    Give it a day and a dose of midol and I am sure you will change your mind.

  • No, there child is not able to say 'please don't murder me, I want to live' and therefor are fair game for murderin'. God forbid the woman take a birth control pill or the man wear a condom. That's what Hitler would say!

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    No, there child is not able to say 'please don't murder me, I want to live' and therefor are fair game for murderin'. God forbid the woman take a birth control pill or the man wear a condom. That's what Hitler would say!

    don't we have the day after pill?

  • @mld-woody said:

    No I think there is some point in there over half way in where it should be illegal. Since it is a gray area maybe beva little conservative and move the deadline a few weeks less. But I don't think "life" happens at conception and I don't think all abortions at any point should be illegal.

    There is no gray area, if you've actually studied it.

    The heart begins beating at day 22. (Early cardiac muscle cells can be cultured and beat on their own. They can beat in unison if connected)

    The sex is determined at conception.

    At conception all of the DNA for the human is present within the zygote.

    So please, shine a light on the theoretical gray area.

    @legacy-fan said:

    There is no gray area, if you've actually studied it.

    The heart begins beating at day 22. (Early cardiac muscle cells can be cultured and beat on their own. They can beat in unison if connected)

    The sex is determined at conception.

    At conception all of the DNA for the human is present within the zygote.

    So please, shine a light on the theoretical gray area.

    There is plenty of gray area, if you've actually studied it. That early on, the fetus is less sentient than flies, which we have no problem ending the life of. A heartbeat doesn't define a human. Sex doesn't define a human. The DNA alone does not define the human. Stating facts about the gestational timeline doesn't make this issue black and white.

  • There is no gray area, if you've actually studied it.



    The heart begins beating at day 22. (Early cardiac muscle cells can be cultured and beat on their own. They can beat in unison if connected)


    The sex is determined at conception.


    At conception all of the DNA for the human is present within the zygote.





    So Science is OK to determine these facts but religion can trump such facts when it's convenient?


  • @legacy-fan said:

    There is no gray area, if you've actually studied it.

    The heart begins beating at day 22. (Early cardiac muscle cells can be cultured and beat on their own. They can beat in unison if connected)

    The sex is determined at conception.

    At conception all of the DNA for the human is present within the zygote.

    So please, shine a light on the theoretical gray area.

    There is plenty of gray area, if you've actually studied it. That early on, the fetus is less sentient than flies, which we have no problem ending the life of. A heartbeat doesn't define a human. Sex doesn't define a human. The DNA alone does not define the human. Stating facts about the gestational timeline doesn't make this issue black and white.

    @vaportrail said:

    There is plenty of gray area, if you've actually studied it. That early on, the fetus is less sentient than flies, which we have no problem ending the life of. A heartbeat doesn't define a human. Sex doesn't define a human. The DNA alone does not define the human. Stating facts about the gestational timeline doesn't make this issue black and white.

    🙂

    So are you suggesting there's more to life than a heartbeat, a person's DNA (which scientifically, absolutely defines everything about each human), or it's gender? A soul perhaps?

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  • @vaportrail said:

    There is plenty of gray area, if you've actually studied it. That early on, the fetus is less sentient than flies, which we have no problem ending the life of. A heartbeat doesn't define a human. Sex doesn't define a human. The DNA alone does not define the human. Stating facts about the gestational timeline doesn't make this issue black and white.

    🙂

    So are you suggesting there's more to life than a heartbeat, a person's DNA (which scientifically, absolutely defines everything about each human), or it's gender? A soul perhaps?

    original.jpg

    @legacy-fan said:

    🙂

    So are you suggesting there's more to life than a heartbeat, a person's DNA (which scientifically, absolutely defines everything about each human), or it's gender? A soul perhaps?

    original.jpg

    Sentience is what sets humans apart from every other form of life, but nice try.

  • @legacy-fan said:

    🙂

    So are you suggesting there's more to life than a heartbeat, a person's DNA (which scientifically, absolutely defines everything about each human), or it's gender? A soul perhaps?

    original.jpg

    Sentience is what sets humans apart from every other form of life, but nice try.

    @vaportrail said:

    Sentience is what sets humans apart from every other form of life, but nice try.

    Sentience is a reaction to a stimulus.

    It doesn't require saying "ouch" to a pin prick to qualify, but nice try.

  • @vaportrail said:

    Sentience is what sets humans apart from every other form of life, but nice try.

    Sentience is a reaction to a stimulus.

    It doesn't require saying "ouch" to a pin prick to qualify, but nice try.

    @legacy-fan said:

    Sentience is a reaction to a stimulus.

    It doesn't require saying "ouch" to a pin prick to qualify, but nice try.

    Sentience is a spectrum, not a checkbox, but please continue to educate us.