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  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Why aren't those women on free birth control pills? They're pretty efficient at preventing pregnancy in the first place

    In some cases, idiocy, but that hardly seems like a sufficient reason to stick them with that lot in life.

    Personally, I think that 95% of people are poorly educated on the efficacy of birth control, and they rely too heavily on a single method. Most birth control methods have a 5-20% failure rate (ie. they result in pregnancy) over the course of a year. If you really want to use birth control effectively, options should be combined. If she's not on the pill, and you're only using a condom, you'd best pull out. With the exception of IUDs, using only one form of birth control is just asking for a kid, imo. Until people start realizing this, there are going to be lots of surprises.

    @vaportrail said:

    In some cases, idiocy, but that hardly seems like a sufficient reason to stick them with that lot in life.

    Personally, I think that 95% of people are poorly educated on the efficacy of birth control, and they rely too heavily on a single method. Most birth control methods have a 5-20% failure rate (ie. they result in pregnancy) over the course of a year. If you really want to use birth control effectively, options should be combined. If she's not on the pill, and you're only using a condom, you'd best pull out. With the exception of IUDs, using only one form of birth control is just asking for a kid, imo. Until people start realizing this, there are going to be lots of surprises.

    I'm all for education in preventing a cruel and morally reprehensible practice

  • @vaportrail said:

    And you were the only one suggesting that because I'm okay with killing chickens, I'm okay with killing kids. Dipshit 🙂

    I can't really answer that, I haven't had much exposure to sickle cell. I've been lucky enough to have hit the genetic lottery. Some of the people I've seen who come to free clinics for all their healthcare needs, really heartbreaking stuff - I can tell you that I'd much rather be spared existence than to experience life through their eyes. That being said, those folks need all the help they can get, and I'm happy to oblige.

    Really? You'd rather never experience love, sex, happiness because you may or may not contract a debilitating disease? I wouldn't choose to have missed out on life for any reason

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Really? You'd rather never experience love, sex, happiness because you may or may not contract a debilitating disease? I wouldn't choose to have missed out on life for any reason

    @westside-steve said:

    I give Cysko the points on this one. There are an awful lot of miserable people in the world probably least of which in the United States, but still relatively few suicides. And suicide is pretty fucking easy to pull off. Most people, I think would choose to live once here.

    WSS

    Ironically, I'm probably a posterchild for the pro-life movement. Born to a low-income 20 year old whose entire family suggested to abort me. And here I am moving up the socioeconomic ladder and living the American Dream, so long as student loan debt doesn't kill me first.

    On the flip side, it absolutely kills me that my existence took a whole lot of opportunities away from my parents. I watched them constantly struggle and fight over (lack of) money, and I'm dating an upper-class white girl who has no idea what it's like to watch her parents scream at each other. My parents both love me, they're proud of me, and they're living vicariously through me, but I can tell that they feel they missed out on their 20's.

    As much as I appreciate my own life, I don't think it's right to make a 20 year old put their life on hold to make room for another one because they made some boneheaded decisions. If I was in my mom's shoes, I would have aborted me.

  • So the epidemic of single parent children and the illegitimacy rate is due to, now let me get this straight, women who are absolutely too fucking stupid to know how babies are made? That's your platform? How in the hell do we allow them to vote?

    WSS

  • So the epidemic of single parent children and the illegitimacy rate is due to, now let me get this straight, women who are absolutely too fucking stupid to know how babies are made? That's your platform? How in the hell do we allow them to vote?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So the epidemic of single parent children and the illegitimacy rate is due to, now let me get this straight, women who are absolutely too fucking stupid to know how babies are made? That's your platform? How in the hell do we allow them to vote?

    WSS

    I say keep 'em chained up in the kitchen where they belong! But an IQ test before being able to vote would be a wonderful thing...

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Really? You'd rather never experience love, sex, happiness because you may or may not contract a debilitating disease? I wouldn't choose to have missed out on life for any reason

    @westside-steve said:

    I give Cysko the points on this one. There are an awful lot of miserable people in the world probably least of which in the United States, but still relatively few suicides. And suicide is pretty fucking easy to pull off. Most people, I think would choose to live once here.

    WSS

    Ironically, I'm probably a posterchild for the pro-life movement. Born to a low-income 20 year old whose entire family suggested to abort me. And here I am moving up the socioeconomic ladder and living the American Dream, so long as student loan debt doesn't kill me first.

    On the flip side, it absolutely kills me that my existence took a whole lot of opportunities away from my parents. I watched them constantly struggle and fight over (lack of) money, and I'm dating an upper-class white girl who has no idea what it's like to watch her parents scream at each other. My parents both love me, they're proud of me, and they're living vicariously through me, but I can tell that they feel they missed out on their 20's.

    As much as I appreciate my own life, I don't think it's right to make a 20 year old put their life on hold to make room for another one because they made some boneheaded decisions. If I was in my mom's shoes, I would have aborted me.

    @vaportrail said:

    Ironically, I'm probably a posterchild for the pro-life movement. Born to a low-income 20 year old whose entire family suggested to abort me. And here I am moving up the socioeconomic ladder and living the American Dream, so long as student loan debt doesn't kill me first.

    On the flip side, it absolutely kills me that my existence took a whole lot of opportunities away from my parents. I watched them constantly struggle and fight over (lack of) money, and I'm dating an upper-class white girl who has no idea what it's like to watch her parents scream at each other. My parents both love me, they're proud of me, and they're living vicariously through me, but I can tell that they feel they missed out on their 20's.

    As much as I appreciate my own life, I don't think it's right to make a 20 year old put their life on hold to make room for another one because they made some boneheaded decisions. If I was in my mom's shoes, I would have aborted me.

    So would we.........

    (kidding)

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    Ironically, I'm probably a posterchild for the pro-life movement. Born to a low-income 20 year old whose entire family suggested to abort me. And here I am moving up the socioeconomic ladder and living the American Dream, so long as student loan debt doesn't kill me first.

    On the flip side, it absolutely kills me that my existence took a whole lot of opportunities away from my parents. I watched them constantly struggle and fight over (lack of) money, and I'm dating an upper-class white girl who has no idea what it's like to watch her parents scream at each other. My parents both love me, they're proud of me, and they're living vicariously through me, but I can tell that they feel they missed out on their 20's.

    As much as I appreciate my own life, I don't think it's right to make a 20 year old put their life on hold to make room for another one because they made some boneheaded decisions. If I was in my mom's shoes, I would have aborted me.

    So would we.........

    (kidding)

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So would we.........

    (kidding)

    WSS

    I lold

  • @westside-steve said:

    So the epidemic of single parent children and the illegitimacy rate is due to, now let me get this straight, women who are absolutely too fucking stupid to know how babies are made? That's your platform? How in the hell do we allow them to vote?

    WSS

    I say keep 'em chained up in the kitchen where they belong! But an IQ test before being able to vote would be a wonderful thing...

    @gftchris said:

    I say keep 'em chained up in the kitchen where they belong! But an IQ test before being able to vote would be a wonderful thing...

    If in fact you are too stupid to know how pregnancy happens a chain in a kitchen is probably the best you should ask for. 🙂

    WSS

  • @gftchris said:

    I say keep 'em chained up in the kitchen where they belong! But an IQ test before being able to vote would be a wonderful thing...

    If in fact you are too stupid to know how pregnancy happens a chain in a kitchen is probably the best you should ask for. 🙂

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    If in fact you are too stupid to know how pregnancy happens a chain in a kitchen is probably the best you should ask for. 🙂

    WSS

    Fuck no, I'd probably get food poisoning.

  • That's callous. They didn't and now what? Are your parents living a life of abject misery and hardship? Would they have gained more happiness than they have now by aborting you? Ask your mother if shed have traded the joy and frustration of raising you to adulthood for a little extra cash. Money comes and goes in life. Nothing can replace feeling of partaking in your child's joys and ills in life.

  • Here's a thought exercise -

    Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.

    They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?

    @vaportrail said:

    Here's a thought exercise -

    Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.

    They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?

    A mass murderer? no. A shitty human being? Yes

    Gonna be an awkward love letter to that first child, don't you think?

    Dearest Firstborn:

    You and your dabilitating disease are such a burden on our family's happiness and opulent wealth (of which 99.9% of the world will never know, much less enjoy), that we have decided to push the limits of medical science (and perhaps decency) to ensure that YOU NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. At least in our family. Your mother and I couldn't put ourselves through the agony of loving another child as physically, mentally, and emotionally demanding as you.

    All the best,

    Carlos (dad)

  • That's callous. They didn't and now what? Are your parents living a life of abject misery and hardship? Would they have gained more happiness than they have now by aborting you? Ask your mother if shed have traded the joy and frustration of raising you to adulthood for a little extra cash. Money comes and goes in life. Nothing can replace feeling of partaking in your child's joys and ills in life.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    That's callous. They didn't and now what? Are your parents living a life of abject misery and hardship? Would they have gained more happiness than they have now by aborting you? Ask your mother if shed have traded the joy and frustration of raising you to adulthood for a little extra cash. Money comes and goes in life. Nothing can replace feeling of partaking in your child's joys and ills in life.

    I don't wish that she never had kids. I just wish it happened later.

  • When you die I doubt many people bitterly wish they'd had more money. You may regret time not spent with loved ones but probably not regret being richer. You can't take money and status with you

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    That's callous. They didn't and now what? Are your parents living a life of abject misery and hardship? Would they have gained more happiness than they have now by aborting you? Ask your mother if shed have traded the joy and frustration of raising you to adulthood for a little extra cash. Money comes and goes in life. Nothing can replace feeling of partaking in your child's joys and ills in life.

    I don't wish that she never had kids. I just wish it happened later.

    @vaportrail said:

    I don't wish that she never had kids. I just wish it happened later.

    I don't care what you think. I want to know what your parents think

  • @vaportrail said:

    I don't wish that she never had kids. I just wish it happened later.

    I don't care what you think. I want to know what your parents think

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I don't care what you think. I want to know what your parents think

    The point I'm trying to make is that my parents always had the choice available to them. If I had to guess, I'd say that they were happy they chose what they did (like they're gonna tell me otherwise).

  • Came across this about 'smart' guns. Basic premise is you wear a watch which acts as a second safety on the gun - if the watch isn't within a few inches of the gun (ie, you're not wearing the watch) the gun won't fire.

    It would certainly eliminate the possibility of little timmy psycho stealing him dad's gun and going on a rampage.

  • Came across this about 'smart' guns. Basic premise is you wear a watch which acts as a second safety on the gun - if the watch isn't within a few inches of the gun (ie, you're not wearing the watch) the gun won't fire.

    It would certainly eliminate the possibility of little timmy psycho stealing him dad's gun and going on a rampage.

    @gftchris said:

    Came across this about 'smart' guns. Basic premise is you wear a watch which acts as a second safety on the gun - if the watch isn't within a few inches of the gun (ie, you're not wearing the watch) the gun won't fire.

    It would certainly eliminate the possibility of little timmy psycho stealing him dad's gun and going on a rampage.

    Assuming infallibility of the technology, this is presumably the kind of gun control that pro-gun people can get behind - so that only the owner of the gun can fire it? Not necessarily sold on a smart watch being included - perhaps something you could attach to your watch in a discreet way? Obviously, if you're wearing a big 'I can fire my gun' watch, it defeats the point of CCW.

  • The potential for that set up to screw up make it a no go for me at least. What happens if you have to use your "off hand" that doesn't have the watch? I am normally a "no safeties but the one between your ears" kind of guy. I carry Glocks, M&Ps (buy models with zero safeties), and Sigs. I don't like having to mess with any safeties in a high stress situation. I have a ton of range time in so I am comfortable with it.

  • put an app on it....

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  • put an app on it....

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    @fairhooker11 said:

    put an app on it....

    If you like it, shoulda put an app on it?

  • The potential for that set up to screw up make it a no go for me at least. What happens if you have to use your "off hand" that doesn't have the watch? I am normally a "no safeties but the one between your ears" kind of guy. I carry Glocks, M&Ps (buy models with zero safeties), and Sigs. I don't like having to mess with any safeties in a high stress situation. I have a ton of range time in so I am comfortable with it.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    The potential for that set up to screw up make it a no go for me at least. What happens if you have to use your "off hand" that doesn't have the watch? I am normally a "no safeties but the one between your ears" kind of guy. I carry Glocks, M&Ps (buy models with zero safeties), and Sigs. I don't like having to mess with any safeties in a high stress situation. I have a ton of range time in so I am comfortable with it.

    That's why I made the assumption of technical infallibility. If you can't have something working without problems, it's just a non-starter. The 'no safeties except between your ears' approach is fine when it comes to the individual owner/user of the gun, but that's not generally the issue - if you own a gun and you're going on a rampage down town, you'll be taking your gun-watch.

    What it is presumably meant to stop is little kids (or big kids/adults with mental issues, as we've seen happen) coming across the gun on a table, stealing it from a drawer or something else and then shooting someone.