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he looked like a #2 cb in tampa bay last year.
hello frisco!
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I understand that Revis isn't willing to restructure but I think I the Browns should still throw a 6th or 7th rounder to Tampa before they are forced to cut him. Tampa needs to cut him tomorrow or they have to give the Jets a 3 instead of a 4...We would just be giving up a very late pick. Once we own his rights we can wait for the free agent market to dry up and gain leverage in negotiations with Revis. If in a month or so he still isnt willing to restructure we release him and lose a very late pick. If Revis has half a brain though he will realize that most teams have moved on to other FA or draft picks and there wont be a huge market for him if the Browns release him.
I definitely think the Browns should give this a shot.
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I understand that Revis isn't willing to restructure but I think I the Browns should still throw a 6th or 7th rounder to Tampa before they are forced to cut him. Tampa needs to cut him tomorrow or they have to give the Jets a 3 instead of a 4...We would just be giving up a very late pick. Once we own his rights we can wait for the free agent market to dry up and gain leverage in negotiations with Revis. If in a month or so he still isnt willing to restructure we release him and lose a very late pick. If Revis has half a brain though he will realize that most teams have moved on to other FA or draft picks and there wont be a huge market for him if the Browns release him.
I definitely think the Browns should give this a shot.
I understand that Revis isn't willing to restructure but I think I the Browns should still throw a 6th or 7th rounder to Tampa before they are forced to cut him. Tampa needs to cut him tomorrow or they have to give the Jets a 3 instead of a 4...We would just be giving up a very late pick. Once we own his rights we can wait for the free agent market to dry up and gain leverage in negotiations with Revis. If in a month or so he still isnt willing to restructure we release him and lose a very late pick. If Revis has half a brain though he will realize that most teams have moved on to other FA or draft picks and there wont be a huge market for him if the Browns release him.
I definitely think the Browns should give this a shot.
The big question : does he half a brain?
That's always going to be up for debate.
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When we look at his cap hit in the future, we can say we pay a 5 million dollar~ were Cleveland and he wouldnt come in free agency ~ penalty. And cut him for free any time. If we can get two elite years hes worth the pick.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
When we look at his cap hit in the future, we can say we pay a 5 million dollar~ were Cleveland and he wouldnt come in free agency ~ penalty. And cut him for free any time. If we can get two elite years hes worth the pick.
Agreed!! And a move like that would help bring some success. And SUCCESS is going to make it easier to bring FA's to Cleveland. I don't really see the downside to a move like this.
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Mevis is a great player, but he or his agent are all about the money. It would be absolutley fantasic if we could get him in a trade. A 4th we got from Pitt turned into Revis. fuck ya. However the odds of him coming here get more slim by the hour. He will not come here if he hits the FA market.
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Id be very impressed if Farmer pulled this deal off...Im sure Revis would be PO knowing we are waiting for the market to dry up before we either force him to sign for less or release him but who cares...It might be a great move.
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It is between Browns and Rams. The Rams are trying to make room for him, they currently have a little less than $13M of cap room.
If Rams can make the room it's going to be Revis for #13. If they can't its going to be Revis to Cleveland for #26 and not matching Mack's contract.
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Fuck a 1st rounder. We need these first 3 rounds to pick up some much needed playmakers and much needed depth. This draft is considered the deepest draft in the last 10 years. according to several scouts. Mevis for nothing more then a 4th. Mack is more valuable the him.
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It is between Browns and Rams. The Rams are trying to make room for him, they currently have a little less than $13M of cap room.
If Rams can make the room it's going to be Revis for #13. If they can't its going to be Revis to Cleveland for #26 and not matching Mack's contract.
It is between Browns and Rams. The Rams are trying to make room for him, they currently have a little less than $13M of cap room.
If Rams can make the room it's going to be Revis for #13. If they can't its going to be Revis to Cleveland for #26 and not matching Mack's contract.
No way in hell do I give up a first round, plus let Mack walk, and take on his outrageous salary. No no no no.
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A first round pick? Forget Revis.
No freakin way. Remember, scumbardi and banner are gone.
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revis looked like a lost boy scout in tampa bay. not even close to what he looked like when he was revis island.
i could name at least three cbs i'd rather have via the draft than this over-priced over-valued DB.
unless of course pettine can get him back to where he once was.
but no trade. let him come crawling to us after they cut him.
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Maybe we can get Gilbert in the 1st round. or
Keith McGill, CB, Utah in the 3rd.
Height: 6-3. Weight: 211.
40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
3/8/14: McGill used the Senior Bowl to show that he has the movement skills to remain at cornerback. During the practices, McGill really performed well in the receiving one-on-ones as he was able to maintain coverage with receivers in and out of their breaks. McGill demonstrated the hip flexibility to turn and run with receivers downfield.
McGill continued that impressive display at the Combine. He ran well and showed loose hips in the field work. In 2013, McGill notched 37 tackles with 12 passes broken up and an interception. He missed the 2012 season with a shoulder injury. McGill's stock could climb in the lead up to the draft. -
Alright, I really don't post here often but I'm a pretty frequent lurker. Did a "play the GM" post a while ago that was received ok I guess and plan to do another once all this FA stuff calms down. But I wanted to take the time and talk about Mr. Revis and the potential of adding him to our Browns. Essentially (despite being pretty jetlagged at the moment) I think I'm thoroughly convinced on this point:
We should absolutely trade a low round pick for Darrell Revis.
I've gone through the posts discussing this possibility and I think most of the counterpoints to this idea fall into one of a couple categories. First is the argument that Revis is washed up and he's no longer the player that he used to be. My response to this argument: that's nonsense. Utter nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. I think there's a natural tendency to think he's old and therefore washed up because we've heard his name for so long. Also, he's changed teams so there's a feeling that he's kind of been used up by the league. Also he had an injury two years ago, but he started and played in every game last year. The truth of the matter is that he's only 28 years old. Well within his prime. Actually not just within his prime; probably at his peak. To paraphrase the great philosopher Dennis Reynolds, he's about to peak so hard that everyone in the NFL is going to feel it. He didn't look great with Tampa Bay because their offense was never on the field, so their defense was always on the field, they had no pass rush, and even Deion couldn't cover for more than 10 seconds. It is a team sport in the end. But put this guy opposite Joe Haden with a blitz-happy Pettine and you've got a guy that's poised for nothing less than... well... peaking.
Second counterpoint is that he's self-centered. Listen, I'm not asking you to have a beer with the guy. In fact, you'll probably live the whole of your life never having to interact with Mr. Revis. So the issue is how will he be in the clubhouse. You know what takes care of that? Winning. When he was with the Jets and they were the best defense in the history of opposition or whatever, no one considered Revis a locker room cancer. That happened with losing. And you know what, if we're losing my last concern is if anyone has their feelings hurt by one of our cornerbacks. And for what it's worth, isn't Haden the perfect compliment to Revis in this regard? The dude is like our golden boy who can do no wrong. Hell everyone liked him even when he had a suspension for drugs. Lets just say, even assuming arguendo that this is an issue, this is one we are equipped to manage.
The third big point is the contract. It's a lot of money. Whole lot. No arguments there. It's a fuckton. It eats the salary cap. We're done in free agency and we're also not going to be able to sign out own guys to futu..... wait a second. Hold on. No. That last part isn't right. We're done in free agency this year, sure. But not being able to sign our guys in the future to contracts? Nope. Not an issue. Why? Because Tampa Bay did get one thing right, and no it's not Bobby Rainey. The entirety of the contract is not guaranteed. You can cut and part ways and take him off the books with no dead money. So instead of sacrificing the ability to sign our guys in the future, all we're doing is changing the dynamic. It's not "lets have cap space" vs. "lets sign our guys". It's "lets keep Revis" vs. "lets keep our guys." And hell, what if Revis IS ONE OF OUR GUYS. And what if we do start winning and now magically Revis is willing to renegotiate to build in some guaranteed money? The future would not be as bleak as many would make it seem. I live in Texas and I watch the cowboys every year spend crazy amounts of money and just BARELY make it under the cap. Sure, they just had to part with Demarcus Ware because of their salary cap situation. But you know what? They had Demarcus Ware! For 7 or 8 or whatever Pro Bowls! And you know what, if Ware wasn't about to be Karlos Dansby's age, I bet the cowboys would have figured out how to keep him on the roster. It's called working the salary cap. I say lets dive in and try it. The alternative hasn't worked.
And so that brings me to my reason for wanting him. No it's not just because he's a good player. There are a lot of good players. Players like Revis don't become available a whole lot and they're hard to find in the draft, but they're out there. No, the reason I want Revis on this team because as soon as he gets into camp, now we have an identity. Now other teams know what they're fucking with. They're dealing with blitz-happy Pettine who somehow managed to get the Bills to lead the league in sacks, so they know they're going to be throwing under some duress (please god... mingo... kruger... sheard... guys... please....) and when they throw where are they throwing? At Joe Haden. No wait fuck that lets throw the other direction. Shit, that's Darrell Revis. Shit. We draft a young moxy-ish QB like Manziel and get some big thumping RBs like Hyde/Hill/Wilder and now we've got a hard-nosed team that is going to pound you when we have the ball and is going to give you nightmares when you have the ball. We have the Seattle Seahawks! That team that just took the best team in the AFC and spit them out while smiling. I'll take that in Cleveland.
I get the other side though. And maybe I do need to sleep on it. It makes sense to me though. I'd do it.
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Talib just signed with Broncos. 6 yr/57 mil.
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Alright, I really don't post here often but I'm a pretty frequent lurker. Did a "play the GM" post a while ago that was received ok I guess and plan to do another once all this FA stuff calms down. But I wanted to take the time and talk about Mr. Revis and the potential of adding him to our Browns. Essentially (despite being pretty jetlagged at the moment) I think I'm thoroughly convinced on this point:
We should absolutely trade a low round pick for Darrell Revis.
I've gone through the posts discussing this possibility and I think most of the counterpoints to this idea fall into one of a couple categories. First is the argument that Revis is washed up and he's no longer the player that he used to be. My response to this argument: that's nonsense. Utter nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. I think there's a natural tendency to think he's old and therefore washed up because we've heard his name for so long. Also, he's changed teams so there's a feeling that he's kind of been used up by the league. Also he had an injury two years ago, but he started and played in every game last year. The truth of the matter is that he's only 28 years old. Well within his prime. Actually not just within his prime; probably at his peak. To paraphrase the great philosopher Dennis Reynolds, he's about to peak so hard that everyone in the NFL is going to feel it. He didn't look great with Tampa Bay because their offense was never on the field, so their defense was always on the field, they had no pass rush, and even Deion couldn't cover for more than 10 seconds. It is a team sport in the end. But put this guy opposite Joe Haden with a blitz-happy Pettine and you've got a guy that's poised for nothing less than... well... peaking.
Second counterpoint is that he's self-centered. Listen, I'm not asking you to have a beer with the guy. In fact, you'll probably live the whole of your life never having to interact with Mr. Revis. So the issue is how will he be in the clubhouse. You know what takes care of that? Winning. When he was with the Jets and they were the best defense in the history of opposition or whatever, no one considered Revis a locker room cancer. That happened with losing. And you know what, if we're losing my last concern is if anyone has their feelings hurt by one of our cornerbacks. And for what it's worth, isn't Haden the perfect compliment to Revis in this regard? The dude is like our golden boy who can do no wrong. Hell everyone liked him even when he had a suspension for drugs. Lets just say, even assuming arguendo that this is an issue, this is one we are equipped to manage.
The third big point is the contract. It's a lot of money. Whole lot. No arguments there. It's a fuckton. It eats the salary cap. We're done in free agency and we're also not going to be able to sign out own guys to futu..... wait a second. Hold on. No. That last part isn't right. We're done in free agency this year, sure. But not being able to sign our guys in the future to contracts? Nope. Not an issue. Why? Because Tampa Bay did get one thing right, and no it's not Bobby Rainey. The entirety of the contract is not guaranteed. You can cut and part ways and take him off the books with no dead money. So instead of sacrificing the ability to sign our guys in the future, all we're doing is changing the dynamic. It's not "lets have cap space" vs. "lets sign our guys". It's "lets keep Revis" vs. "lets keep our guys." And hell, what if Revis IS ONE OF OUR GUYS. And what if we do start winning and now magically Revis is willing to renegotiate to build in some guaranteed money? The future would not be as bleak as many would make it seem. I live in Texas and I watch the cowboys every year spend crazy amounts of money and just BARELY make it under the cap. Sure, they just had to part with Demarcus Ware because of their salary cap situation. But you know what? They had Demarcus Ware! For 7 or 8 or whatever Pro Bowls! And you know what, if Ware wasn't about to be Karlos Dansby's age, I bet the cowboys would have figured out how to keep him on the roster. It's called working the salary cap. I say lets dive in and try it. The alternative hasn't worked.
And so that brings me to my reason for wanting him. No it's not just because he's a good player. There are a lot of good players. Players like Revis don't become available a whole lot and they're hard to find in the draft, but they're out there. No, the reason I want Revis on this team because as soon as he gets into camp, now we have an identity. Now other teams know what they're fucking with. They're dealing with blitz-happy Pettine who somehow managed to get the Bills to lead the league in sacks, so they know they're going to be throwing under some duress (please god... mingo... kruger... sheard... guys... please....) and when they throw where are they throwing? At Joe Haden. No wait fuck that lets throw the other direction. Shit, that's Darrell Revis. Shit. We draft a young moxy-ish QB like Manziel and get some big thumping RBs like Hyde/Hill/Wilder and now we've got a hard-nosed team that is going to pound you when we have the ball and is going to give you nightmares when you have the ball. We have the Seattle Seahawks! That team that just took the best team in the AFC and spit them out while smiling. I'll take that in Cleveland.
I get the other side though. And maybe I do need to sleep on it. It makes sense to me though. I'd do it.
Alright, I really don't post here often but I'm a pretty frequent lurker. Did a "play the GM" post a while ago that was received ok I guess and plan to do another once all this FA stuff calms down. But I wanted to take the time and talk about Mr. Revis and the potential of adding him to our Browns. Essentially (despite being pretty jetlagged at the moment) I think I'm thoroughly convinced on this point:
We should absolutely trade a low round pick for Darrell Revis.
I've gone through the posts discussing this possibility and I think most of the counterpoints to this idea fall into one of a couple categories. First is the argument that Revis is washed up and he's no longer the player that he used to be. My response to this argument: that's nonsense. Utter nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. I think there's a natural tendency to think he's old and therefore washed up because we've heard his name for so long. Also, he's changed teams so there's a feeling that he's kind of been used up by the league. Also he had an injury two years ago, but he started and played in every game last year. The truth of the matter is that he's only 28 years old. Well within his prime. Actually not just within his prime; probably at his peak. To paraphrase the great philosopher Dennis Reynolds, he's about to peak so hard that everyone in the NFL is going to feel it. He didn't look great with Tampa Bay because their offense was never on the field, so their defense was always on the field, they had no pass rush, and even Deion couldn't cover for more than 10 seconds. It is a team sport in the end. But put this guy opposite Joe Haden with a blitz-happy Pettine and you've got a guy that's poised for nothing less than... well... peaking.
Second counterpoint is that he's self-centered. Listen, I'm not asking you to have a beer with the guy. In fact, you'll probably live the whole of your life never having to interact with Mr. Revis. So the issue is how will he be in the clubhouse. You know what takes care of that? Winning. When he was with the Jets and they were the best defense in the history of opposition or whatever, no one considered Revis a locker room cancer. That happened with losing. And you know what, if we're losing my last concern is if anyone has their feelings hurt by one of our cornerbacks. And for what it's worth, isn't Haden the perfect compliment to Revis in this regard? The dude is like our golden boy who can do no wrong. Hell everyone liked him even when he had a suspension for drugs. Lets just say, even assuming arguendo that this is an issue, this is one we are equipped to manage.
The third big point is the contract. It's a lot of money. Whole lot. No arguments there. It's a fuckton. It eats the salary cap. We're done in free agency and we're also not going to be able to sign out own guys to futu..... wait a second. Hold on. No. That last part isn't right. We're done in free agency this year, sure. But not being able to sign our guys in the future to contracts? Nope. Not an issue. Why? Because Tampa Bay did get one thing right, and no it's not Bobby Rainey. The entirety of the contract is not guaranteed. You can cut and part ways and take him off the books with no dead money. So instead of sacrificing the ability to sign our guys in the future, all we're doing is changing the dynamic. It's not "lets have cap space" vs. "lets sign our guys". It's "lets keep Revis" vs. "lets keep our guys." And hell, what if Revis IS ONE OF OUR GUYS. And what if we do start winning and now magically Revis is willing to renegotiate to build in some guaranteed money? The future would not be as bleak as many would make it seem. I live in Texas and I watch the cowboys every year spend crazy amounts of money and just BARELY make it under the cap. Sure, they just had to part with Demarcus Ware because of their salary cap situation. But you know what? They had Demarcus Ware! For 7 or 8 or whatever Pro Bowls! And you know what, if Ware wasn't about to be Karlos Dansby's age, I bet the cowboys would have figured out how to keep him on the roster. It's called working the salary cap. I say lets dive in and try it. The alternative hasn't worked.
And so that brings me to my reason for wanting him. No it's not just because he's a good player. There are a lot of good players. Players like Revis don't become available a whole lot and they're hard to find in the draft, but they're out there. No, the reason I want Revis on this team because as soon as he gets into camp, now we have an identity. Now other teams know what they're fucking with. They're dealing with blitz-happy Pettine who somehow managed to get the Bills to lead the league in sacks, so they know they're going to be throwing under some duress (please god... mingo... kruger... sheard... guys... please....) and when they throw where are they throwing? At Joe Haden. No wait fuck that lets throw the other direction. Shit, that's Darrell Revis. Shit. We draft a young moxy-ish QB like Manziel and get some big thumping RBs like Hyde/Hill/Wilder and now we've got a hard-nosed team that is going to pound you when we have the ball and is going to give you nightmares when you have the ball. We have the Seattle Seahawks! That team that just took the best team in the AFC and spit them out while smiling. I'll take that in Cleveland.
I get the other side though. And maybe I do need to sleep on it. It makes sense to me though. I'd do it.
yeah one of my best friends who is a steeler fan agrees with you.
that's why i never agree with him.
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It is between Browns and Rams. The Rams are trying to make room for him, they currently have a little less than $13M of cap room.
If Rams can make the room it's going to be Revis for #13. If they can't its going to be Revis to Cleveland for #26 and not matching Mack's contract.
It is between Browns and Rams. The Rams are trying to make room for him, they currently have a little less than $13M of cap room.
If Rams can make the room it's going to be Revis for #13. If they can't its going to be Revis to Cleveland for #26 and not matching Mack's contract.
Call us at 4PM tomorrow- I call it BS, and I may just have to call you a Flamebaiter. With Verneer signing with the Bucs Revis is gonzo by many accounts- the Bucs not only can't afford him, the draft choice they owe for him gets bumped from a 4th to a 3rd rounder if he's still in the books.
It would be nuts for any team under those circumstances to offer anything more than a low round pick for Revis and eat his insane salary on top of it, with a virtual guarantee come 4PM tomorrow, teams will give up nothing to negotiate with him.. If he wants to hit the FA market and pick his team- I say- let him.
And for those of you hot on the defensive backfield of the decade kick with Revis on the Browns- just remember the Eagles tried that gambit with Asomugha & company not too long ago- and it didn't work out too well.
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