Was opening day of free agency a success?
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My question is, if he gets an offer and we match, does he have to sign it? Can he go back and say screw it give me the tag at that point?I think they will try their best to get Mack solidified. Letting him go out there and find the best deal he can and then seeing if they want to match that....makes sense to me over offering him too much right away, just to get him to stay.
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My question is, if he gets an offer and we match, does he have to sign it? Can he go back and say screw it give me the tag at that point?I think they will try their best to get Mack solidified. Letting him go out there and find the best deal he can and then seeing if they want to match that....makes sense to me over offering him too much right away, just to get him to stay.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
My question is, if he gets an offer and we match, does he have to sign it? Can he go back and say screw it give me the tag at that point?
No I think he has to sign, basically.
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Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
Mack's agent, Marvin Demoff, told TheMMQB.com's Peter King that he believes he could craft a contract that would be tough for the Browns to match.
"I'm confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by theBrowns -- and would be in full compliance with the collective bargaining agreement," Demoff said Monday night.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
Mack's agent, Marvin Demoff, told TheMMQB.com's Peter King that he believes he could craft a contract that would be tough for the Browns to match.
"I'm confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by theBrowns -- and would be in full compliance with the collective bargaining agreement," Demoff said Monday night.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers
Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
Though it would create a massive hole, if Mack doesn't want to be here, let him walk. I don't want a bunch of malcontents taking up roster space. Slide Greco to center, and then upgrade both guard positions - one in FA, and one through the draft.
I want players on the Cleveland Browns that area not only quality players, but they WANT to be here.
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Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
Though it would create a massive hole, if Mack doesn't want to be here, let him walk. I don't want a bunch of malcontents taking up roster space. Slide Greco to center, and then upgrade both guard positions - one in FA, and one through the draft.
I want players on the Cleveland Browns that area not only quality players, but they WANT to be here.
Though it would create a massive hole, if Mack doesn't want to be here, let him walk. I don't want a bunch of malcontents taking up roster space. Slide Greco to center, and then upgrade both guard positions - one in FA, and one through the draft.
I want players on the Cleveland Browns that area not only quality players, but they WANT to be here.
Or trade him.
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I really think we swung and missed on Byrd. Dansby and Whitner compared to Jackson and Ward are an upgrade for now but theyre older and about the same price. All we did was replace two pretty good players. Still have tons of holes, who do we need to get to call free agency successful?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I really think we swung and missed on Byrd. Dansby and Whitner compared to Jackson and Ward are an upgrade for now but theyre older and about the same price. All we did was replace two pretty good players. Still have tons of holes, who do we need to get to call free agency successful?
But Dansby and Whitner are the spackle for two holes filled. We need them and we got them. Probably with a slight upgrade imo.
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I really like what they did yesterday... front loaded contracts so we did not overpay in the long term, solid/elite players who are coming off their best seasons, versatility and attitude... we now have absolute dawgs on all three levels (Taylor, Dansby, Whitner) in addition to some real talent (haden,sheard,bryant,mingo) and people who know how to win (Krugar,Whitner) - if they somehow find a way to bring in Revis I think we could have a top 3 defense.
This is all before the draft....where we have 10 picks...this is going to be a fun year
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Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
Mack's agent, Marvin Demoff, told TheMMQB.com's Peter King that he believes he could craft a contract that would be tough for the Browns to match.
"I'm confident we can come up with a structure that would have a reasonable likelihood to not be matched by theBrowns -- and would be in full compliance with the collective bargaining agreement," Demoff said Monday night.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332797/article/alex-macks-agent-browns-cant-match-all-offers
Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
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Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
As far as I understand it teams would heavily front load the contract - like, a $50m, 5-year deal, paying $30m in the first year that the current club can't afford.
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Only concern about Mack is if his agent is clever enough to work out a contract with someone else that Cleveland can't match or won't want to match. This is what his agent has said on the matter:
When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
I am not so sure he wants to leave...I think that is just the narrative they want to get out there so other teams drive the price up thinking the browns only want people who want to be here.... If he signs the tag (gets 10mil for 1 year) than I guess that narrative still has some merit, if he signs long term deal - it was all just fluff... either way he is a pro and will play out through next year making an obscene amount of money for a center... lets just hope if he really does not want to be here, the browns can start winning and those feeling start to change...winning cures everything.
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When they first announced placing a transition tag on Mack, I had to look up what a transition tag was. I guess it got out of hand about 10 years ago that teams would structure contracts that couldn't be matched by the original team. Things that had to do with playing time and starting games. I didn't quite understand it all but supposedly the NFL has put a stop to that nonsense. So I think this means Mack's agent is threatening to find someone who will pay Mack bigger numbers than Cleveland is willing to front.
I'd like to see him stay, but if he really wants to leave then let him. The other players that want to be here don't need that negativity.
As far as I understand it teams would heavily front load the contract - like, a $50m, 5-year deal, paying $30m in the first year that the current club can't afford.
As far as I understand it teams would heavily front load the contract - like, a £50m, 5-year deal, paying $30m in the first year that the current club can't afford.
I don't know if these players would accept their pay in pounds sterling g.
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I don't know if these players would accept their pay in pounds sterling g.
I suspect they would, to be fair, but fixed now.
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I don't know if these players would accept their pay in pounds sterling g.
I suspect they would, to be fair, but fixed now.
I suspect they would, to be fair, but fixed now.
Maybe when the NFL places that expansion team in London?
You, sir, have the power.....what would you name the London NFL team?
The Lords and Ladies? (Don't laugh, that was the name of my son's college's sports teams)
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I'm going to say no. But that's while realizing it's only the first day and there's plenty of time left in this offseason.
Big thing is, the Browns only filled two holes that they had just created this offseason. I don't know if Whitner is better than Ward, but I'm pretty confident that he's a better fit for Cleveland than Ward was. Dansby I get the feeling is the opposite. Better player, worse fit than DQ.
Even if it is a net gain, it's two steps back and three steps forward. Certainly better than not going forward at all, but the Browns are a 4-12, not a 12-4 team and minor upgrades are not what is required. Difficult for me to share enthusiasm at this point in time.
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Maybe when the NFL places that expansion team in London?
You, sir, have the power.....what would you name the London NFL team?
The Lords and Ladies? (Don't laugh, that was the name of my son's college's sports teams)
The Jaguars
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Maybe when the NFL places that expansion team in London?
You, sir, have the power.....what would you name the London NFL team?
The Lords and Ladies? (Don't laugh, that was the name of my son's college's sports teams)
The Jaguars
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I think it's mixed. The Hawkins offer was a bit puzzling, given the price tag for a slot receiver with no real track record. Bungles are going to match the offer anyway, so it's a moot point.
And, while I like the signings, I think the Dansby/Whitner options are a bit of wash. Both are better players, but they're also older, and they cost us a little more cash. Such is life when trying to bring free agents to a perennial loser.
Would be okay with the Tate signing if it's an incentive based deal. He has to stay healthy. Then draft a middle round back.
Add possibly one FA guard and WR ( Edelman/Sanders ), and then draft one of each. I like Decker as a # 2, but he will want # 1 money.
A guy I haven't heard a peep about is ILB Rey from Shitanasty. I think he could start next to Dansby.
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I have a good one: The London Knights.
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Maybe when the NFL places that expansion team in London?
You, sir, have the power.....what would you name the London NFL team?
The Lords and Ladies? (Don't laugh, that was the name of my son's college's sports teams)
I'd have to go Bulldogs, Knights or something like that. Maybe Redcoats?
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Maybe when the NFL places that expansion team in London?
You, sir, have the power.....what would you name the London NFL team?
The Lords and Ladies? (Don't laugh, that was the name of my son's college's sports teams)
I'd have to go Bulldogs, Knights or something like that. Maybe Redcoats?
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