Adam Schefter on DA
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shep the indecision was with the last management and coaching staff. Mangini is a whole lot more decisive than RAC was so we will see what the new ADMIN brings.
Fans were the ones really screaming last year and not agreeing with the admin. We will see. IF there is a competition which would be smart for Mangini and he says BQ the guy great but if he says DA is the guy than a majority of fans are going to judge Mangini unfit.
For the fans they want quinn, lets see how the admin makes their own talent assessment. IF DA is still on the roster it does nothing but keep BQ honest and hungry with a guy right behind him. Fans have made up their projections not the staff who make money from the game.
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In all possible probability, Quinn is going to get his chance to start. DA had his, and his last 16 games or so were generally awful; culminating in the worst passer rating the NFL last year. (Yeah, blame it on everything but him as it was clear Cleveland's cockpit was the WORST in the NFL.)
So, there are two camps of thought here:
1) Trade DA if there is value now. This school of thought believes there is a lesser probability that DA will emerge as the answer to the QB position in Cleveland. Furthermore, this school of thought believes that based on the first assertion, cashing him in for value to bolster other areas on the team is the wisest move.
2) Keep DA. This school of thought believes that DA's play over his past 16 games was due to environmental issues primarily and that DA has a high probability of panning out into the answer.
I seriously don't understand how anyone can be in the second camp with Lum. Somehow, the sev-e-nator has himself there. Boggles the mind.
Finally, notice how little mention of Quinn in this post. Again, if Quinn flames out we're in the market for a QB.
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ytown that sounds about right financially, the money allocated toward qbs on our roster with Quinn getting paid backup money really does not bother me. We have Lewis who could and should be shed and definately a lot of money tied up in recievers... stallworth, I dont know what JJ is being paid but he is probably done, the Lbs like Mcginest and davis need to be shed.
The amount of money we have tied up in our QB's is fine contractually... for this year at least. Trading Da would be high risk and completely not necessary yet. IF BQ starts and plays well enough next year than we let him go.
ytown that sounds about right financially, the money allocated toward qbs on our roster with Quinn getting paid backup money really does not bother me. We have Lewis who could and should be shed and definately a lot of money tied up in recievers... stallworth, I dont know what JJ is being paid but he is probably done, the Lbs like Mcginest and davis need to be shed.
The amount of money we have tied up in our QB's is fine contractually... for this year at least. Trading Da would be high risk and completely not necessary yet. IF BQ starts and plays well enough next year than we let him go.
Quinn's contract changes drastically if he is the starter. It is highly incentive based. They can't pay Lewis $6.4 million. I don't think he's around to open camp with that salary. I don't know how much of Stallworth's contract is guaranted or what kind of cap hit he would be if released. If the cap hit isn't to bad, he will be gone. McGinest and Davis are UFAs and most likely won't be resigned. I would think that unless Peek reworks his contract he will be gone too. Also in trouble could be Fraley.
Big problem is Sean Jones. He's a FA and wants big bucks and at least a 4 year contract. I don't know if he is worth it.
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ytown that sounds about right financially, the money allocated toward qbs on our roster with Quinn getting paid backup money really does not bother me. We have Lewis who could and should be shed and definately a lot of money tied up in recievers... stallworth, I dont know what JJ is being paid but he is probably done, the Lbs like Mcginest and davis need to be shed.
The amount of money we have tied up in our QB's is fine contractually... for this year at least. Trading Da would be high risk and completely not necessary yet. IF BQ starts and plays well enough next year than we let him go.
Quinn's contract changes drastically if he is the starter. It is highly incentive based. They can't pay Lewis $6.4 million. I don't think he's around to open camp with that salary. I don't know how much of Stallworth's contract is guaranted or what kind of cap hit he would be if released. If the cap hit isn't to bad, he will be gone. McGinest and Davis are UFAs and most likely won't be resigned. I would think that unless Peek reworks his contract he will be gone too. Also in trouble could be Fraley.
Big problem is Sean Jones. He's a FA and wants big bucks and at least a 4 year contract. I don't know if he is worth it.
Quinn's contract changes drastically if he is the starter. It is highly incentive based. They can't pay Lewis $6.4 million. I don't think he's around to open camp with that salary. I don't know how much of Stallworth's contract is guaranted or what kind of cap hit he would be if released. If the cap hit isn't to bad, he will be gone. McGinest and Davis are UFAs and most likely won't be resigned. I would think that unless Peek reworks his contract he will be gone too. Also in trouble could be Fraley.
Big problem is Sean Jones. He's a FA and wants big bucks and at least a 4 year contract. I don't know if he is worth it.
I see us keeping Stallworth around since there aren't any better FA alternatives.
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Quinn's contract changes drastically if he is the starter. It is highly incentive based. They can't pay Lewis $6.4 million. I don't think he's around to open camp with that salary. I don't know how much of Stallworth's contract is guaranted or what kind of cap hit he would be if released. If the cap hit isn't to bad, he will be gone. McGinest and Davis are UFAs and most likely won't be resigned. I would think that unless Peek reworks his contract he will be gone too. Also in trouble could be Fraley.
Big problem is Sean Jones. He's a FA and wants big bucks and at least a 4 year contract. I don't know if he is worth it.
I see us keeping Stallworth around since there aren't any better FA alternatives.
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I agree that housh has better hands and is way more consistent, but in no way is he more physical than Donte, did you watch him with the Patriots breaking tackle after tackle, he's running back with receiver size and speed
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housh is a way better option. yes, he's older, but he's more consistent, more durable, has better hands and is a more physical receiver than stallworth.
Howsyourmama is a better option, but we can't afford that option. Many teams will be chasing him with a big buck contract. We still don't know about Stallworths's contract and how much is guaranteed.
We will have to keep some of these guys. We can't afford to cut them all and take big cap hits. We are to close to that cap limit now considering a #5 pick will cost us plenty.
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anyone notice that Furrey got cut from the Lions? I know he had a shortened season due to concussions...but he may be a pretty nice little pickup for a 3rd WR.
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rotoworld says stallworth's contract has ten mil guaranteed, which likely means he got a ten mil signing bonus.
as per him being more physical than housh, on one play, yes, he broke tackles. i more meant that housh is a physical route runner and uses his body to get the ball, to shield the DB and make the catch, while stallworth relies on his speed to get open. i'm not really sure what stallworth is like after the catch, but housh will go down where he catches the ball a lot of the time. he's a possession guy, and that's fine. it's who he is.
as far as money goes, we don't have enough to offer housh a contract without making significant cuts, but that's something i think we're going to do, anyway. jamal lewis wil save us six mil right off the bat, and that move alone could give us the space to sign housh.
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rotoworld says stallworth's contract has ten mil guaranteed, which likely means he got a ten mil signing bonus.
as per him being more physical than housh, on one play, yes, he broke tackles. i more meant that housh is a physical route runner and uses his body to get the ball, to shield the DB and make the catch, while stallworth relies on his speed to get open. i'm not really sure what stallworth is like after the catch, but housh will go down where he catches the ball a lot of the time. he's a possession guy, and that's fine. it's who he is.
as far as money goes, we don't have enough to offer housh a contract without making significant cuts, but that's something i think we're going to do, anyway. jamal lewis wil save us six mil right off the bat, and that move alone could give us the space to sign housh.
rotoworld says stallworth's contract has ten mil guaranteed, which likely means he got a ten mil signing bonus.
as per him being more physical than housh, on one play, yes, he broke tackles. i more meant that housh is a physical route runner and uses his body to get the ball, to shield the DB and make the catch, while stallworth relies on his speed to get open. i'm not really sure what stallworth is like after the catch, but housh will go down where he catches the ball a lot of the time. he's a possession guy, and that's fine. it's who he is.
as far as money goes, we don't have enough to offer housh a contract without making significant cuts, but that's something i think we're going to do, anyway. jamal lewis wil save us six mil right off the bat, and that move alone could give us the space to sign housh.
His signing bonus and last years salary were guaranteed, but I don't know how much is left. Also whatever that bonus was it would be prorated over the life of the contract. If we cut him then the portion spread over the remaining years would be a cap hit. So, I think Stallworth will be lining up wide for the Browns next year.
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rotoworld says stallworth's contract has ten mil guaranteed, which likely means he got a ten mil signing bonus.
as per him being more physical than housh, on one play, yes, he broke tackles. i more meant that housh is a physical route runner and uses his body to get the ball, to shield the DB and make the catch, while stallworth relies on his speed to get open. i'm not really sure what stallworth is like after the catch, but housh will go down where he catches the ball a lot of the time. he's a possession guy, and that's fine. it's who he is.
as far as money goes, we don't have enough to offer housh a contract without making significant cuts, but that's something i think we're going to do, anyway. jamal lewis wil save us six mil right off the bat, and that move alone could give us the space to sign housh.
His signing bonus and last years salary were guaranteed, but I don't know how much is left. Also whatever that bonus was it would be prorated over the life of the contract. If we cut him then the portion spread over the remaining years would be a cap hit. So, I think Stallworth will be lining up wide for the Browns next year.
His signing bonus and last years salary were guaranteed, but I don't know how much is left. Also whatever that bonus was it would be prorated over the life of the contract. If we cut him then the portion spread over the remaining years would be a cap hit. So, I think Stallworth will be lining up wide for the Browns next year.
when i googled stallworth's signing bonus, someone on walter football's forum said it was 4.5 mil, which, divided by seven, comes to $642,000 and change per year. if you take that and his $605,000 base salary out of his ten million guaranteed, you're left with a little more than this march's roster bonus of 4.75 mil.
therefore, cutting him would save us a little cap space by sparing us his bonus but accelerating what's left of his signing bonus into this season.
i think he'll be with us, but rotoworld certainly doesn't.
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anyone notice that Furrey got cut from the Lions? I know he had a shortened season due to concussions...but he may be a pretty nice little pickup for a 3rd WR.
anyone notice that Furrey got cut from the Lions? I know he had a shortened season due to concussions...but he may be a pretty nice little pickup for a 3rd WR.
He went to HS (Hilliard Davidson) with my best friend. Hope someone picks him up.
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His signing bonus and last years salary were guaranteed, but I don't know how much is left. Also whatever that bonus was it would be prorated over the life of the contract. If we cut him then the portion spread over the remaining years would be a cap hit. So, I think Stallworth will be lining up wide for the Browns next year.
when i googled stallworth's signing bonus, someone on walter football's forum said it was 4.5 mil, which, divided by seven, comes to $642,000 and change per year. if you take that and his $605,000 base salary out of his ten million guaranteed, you're left with a little more than this march's roster bonus of 4.75 mil.
therefore, cutting him would save us a little cap space by sparing us his bonus but accelerating what's left of his signing bonus into this season.
i think he'll be with us, but rotoworld certainly doesn't.
when i googled stallworth's signing bonus, someone on walter football's forum said it was 4.5 mil, which, divided by seven, comes to $642,000 and change per year. if you take that and his $605,000 base salary out of his ten million guaranteed, you're left with a little more than this march's roster bonus of 4.75 mil.
therefore, cutting him would save us a little cap space by sparing us his bonus but accelerating what's left of his signing bonus into this season.
i think he'll be with us, but rotoworld certainly doesn't.
Not the way it works. If his original bonus was $4.75 million for 7 years and we trade him after one year then the $642,000 X 6 years left would be an immediate cap hit. If he has a bonus this year ($4.75 mil) and he signs it before he is traded then that also goes towards our cap. If he is released then we eat about $8 million against our cap.
So, I think he stays because he isn't trade bait. He's not tradable for what he is owed.
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I think that's what JD was saying, YTown.
The one thing that could make things easier would be if Stallworth's contract includes a clause that allows the FO to convert his roster bonus into a new signing bonus. If that's the case, then the $4.75M could be prorated over the remaining 6 years of his contract.
I doubt he sticks around for the remaining six years of his deal, but at least it'd make Stallworth pretty affordable this year.
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I think that's what JD was saying, YTown.
The one thing that could make things easier would be if Stallworth's contract includes a clause that allows the FO to convert his roster bonus into a new signing bonus. If that's the case, then the $4.75M could be prorated over the remaining 6 years of his contract.
I doubt he sticks around for the remaining six years of his deal, but at least it'd make Stallworth pretty affordable this year.
Aloysius said:
I think that's what JD was saying, YTown.The one thing that could make things easier would be if Stallworth's contract includes a clause that allows the FO to convert his roster bonus into a new signing bonus. If that's the case, then the $4.75M could be prorated over the remaining 6 years of his contract.
I doubt he sticks around for the remaining six years of his deal, but at least it'd make Stallworth pretty affordable this year.
If I'm understanding what you are saying, it would be an extremely big cap hit to release him. Anything spread over the life of the contract all comes due and is applied to your cap if you release him.
They do need to rework his contract and a few others to give us enough room to sign a top FA. A #5 draft pick and #37 pick will cost us a good portion of our cap.
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Aloysius said:
I think that's what JD was saying, YTown.The one thing that could make things easier would be if Stallworth's contract includes a clause that allows the FO to convert his roster bonus into a new signing bonus. If that's the case, then the $4.75M could be prorated over the remaining 6 years of his contract.
I doubt he sticks around for the remaining six years of his deal, but at least it'd make Stallworth pretty affordable this year.
If I'm understanding what you are saying, it would be an extremely big cap hit to release him. Anything spread over the life of the contract all comes due and is applied to your cap if you release him.
They do need to rework his contract and a few others to give us enough room to sign a top FA. A #5 draft pick and #37 pick will cost us a good portion of our cap.
If I'm understanding what you are saying, it would be an extremely big cap hit to release him. Anything spread over the life of the contract all comes due and is applied to your cap if you release him.
That's a very good point. But if 2010 ends up being a salary cap-free season, then cutting him wouldn't be a problem. And if you cut him in 2011, the cap charge is big, but absorbable ($5.74M).
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i don't think the cap hit would be that huge. stallworth's roster bonus is due in march. if we get rid of him before then, i think we don't take the hit because he's not on the roster. this deal was essentially another "prove it" deal like he got from the pats, and he sure as hell proved nothing. we'll take an extra hit of 3.9 mil or so by releasing him, but we'd take more than that if we keep him because of the roster bonus.
cut him and lewis (at least), use the money that we save, around 7 mil, on housh, antonio bryant, bryant johnson, jabar gaffney or hank baskett if the eagles choose not to re-sign him. i think any of those five guys would prove a capable possession receiver.
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Actually it is very expensive to keep him and very expensive to release him and will be very expensive to trade him after March 1st. In any senerio, unless we trade him before March 1st we get hit with about $7.5 million. Even if we trade him before March 1st we still a cap hit for the prorated portions of his initial signing bonus will come due @ about $2.5 million.
None of this takes into consideration the team having to go out and get a veteran and sign him, which only adds to the amount it will cost for our backup QB.
So, the cheapest and maybe best senerio is to keep him this year and trade him next year if you can't get rid of him by March 1st.
2.5M if CLE can move him before March 1st is a lot easier to swollow than 7.5M
No if DA would redo his deal to be a back up, I"d be all for keeping him around.
Masters said:
2.5M if CLE can move him before March 1st is a lot easier to swollow than 7.5MNo if DA would redo his deal to be a back up, I"d be all for keeping him around.
Trouble is he has an agent thinking about a NICE signing bonus elsewhere IF he finds 1 of 32 teams interested in an experienced QB vrs a wide-eyed rookie. Therefore, DA and his agent don't want to remain in Cleveland as the 2nd best plan at QB. I NEVER accepted the idea of drafting who we hoped was Dan Marino if we were only going to be MORE content on starting the next Scott Mitchell with just 3 more starts to his name. Didn't make sense especially when I looked at what Qb had the BEST showings in our 2007 preseason games. Charlie and DA combined for just 1 TD pass in 4 preseason games while Quinn had 3 in just 1 outing. When you saw how our season was punctuated by 4 careless INTs from DA at Cincy - it really told me it was the SAME DA that threw 4 INTs 365 days earlier vrs a 4-12 TB team. Same careless kid that didn't learn a thing. Now I have to turn into Houdini with a straighface for the ensuing paragraphs as I try to do the equivalent of selling tanning beds at the Equator.
If I'm DA's agent I tell the Vikings that I have their missing piece of the puzzle. I sell the Trent Dilfer story in Baltimore in what a RB capable of 2000 yards and an elite caliber of defense does for DAs margin of error. I also get them excited about the footspeed they have on the perimeter that would work well with DA's strong arm indoors and dry footballs. Here's what I tell them - you don't want a QB that has to read through his progressions. You want a QB that can throw the mid to deep range ropes to an AREA (flag or post) off the 5 or 7 step drops. This is HOW you get teams AWAY from cheating up into the box to stop AP. I remind them what the Browns' record was WITHOUT an Adrian Peterson and inspite of a 31st ranked defense.
The Trent Dilfer story in Baltimore is ideal for the Derek Andersons of the world. Seriously. Even in that Superbowl where Dilfer couldn't complete more than 33% of his throws. The early deep ball to Brandon Stokely that ended up being Baltimore's first TD was all he needed to do for an entire 60 minutes. See what they did? "Trent, you can relax. You don't have to read today. You're gonna plant and fire off the 7th step to centerfield. No Evelyn Woodhead Speed reading required." Kind of nice knowing you defense won't give up more than 1 TD all game especially when Jermaine Lewis can just return the next kickoff for a TD anyway. All Dilfer/Doofus had to do was hand off to a 2000 yard rusher behind behind the Jon "Deere" Ogden Tractor.
I'm telling you - Minnesota is soooo doable. I think it's DA's best chance for success, which ALSO means it's our best chance at decent exchange value. Make it happen. I think it's win-win for all parties.
- Tom F.
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