Why isn't anyone talking about AJ McCarron?
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You just answered your own question.McCarron doesn't have the best arm, the best size, nor the best mobility ...
"Remaining calm under pressure" is not nearly enough in the NFL.
He is no Matt Ryan.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You just answered your own question.
"Remaining calm under pressure" is not nearly enough in the NFL.
He is no Matt Ryan.
Zombo
Remaining calm under pressure == pocket presence, and it's the most important trait a QB needs to possess because it can't really be taught. The common denominator the good QBs in the NFL share is above average pocket awareness, and we saw just how much it can make a difference going from Weeden to Hoyer. Bortles and Bridgewater also have above average pocket presence, and I think that McCarron's on that same level, only not as elusive.
For everyone who's knocking McCarron's arm strength, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Bortles, because that guy's got the weakest arm out of the top 5 and McCarron.
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we're not going to know how any of these guys turn out for years to come but we are already picking sides and favorites. sounds like a 5 yr. old's tea party.
just get me a top 5 CB and a top 5 WR and some type of OL and i'll be happy as a clam.
fight all you want about all your other shit. 34 days and counting.............
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Zombo said:
That accuracy doesn't project to the NFL where you need to smoke the ball into tight windows.
He's just another guy in the NFL, has "backup" written all over him.
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He's more accurate a passer than the rest of the QB prospects. Who do you think projects to the NFL?
He's more accurate a passer than the rest of the QB prospects. Who do you think projects to the NFL?
I think Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater and Carr all could be potential starters. McCarron is likely headed for a backup role
What do you mean by "more accurate" ... he completed the highest percentage of soft tosses against Mississippi St.?
Colt McCoy and Ken Dorsey were accurate too.
When you are playing the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals every week, outdoors, in all conditions, you need to be more than "college accurate" you better be NFL deadly accurate, and if you don't have the arm, you are never going to develop that. So what else does he bring to the table... mobility? No? Oh ... calm under pressure. Ok, so you score 13 points a game with this kid, but he stays calm.
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Zombo said:
You just answered your own question.
"Remaining calm under pressure" is not nearly enough in the NFL.
He is no Matt Ryan.
Zombo
Remaining calm under pressure == pocket presence, and it's the most important trait a QB needs to possess because it can't really be taught. The common denominator the good QBs in the NFL share is above average pocket awareness, and we saw just how much it can make a difference going from Weeden to Hoyer. Bortles and Bridgewater also have above average pocket presence, and I think that McCarron's on that same level, only not as elusive.
For everyone who's knocking McCarron's arm strength, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Bortles, because that guy's got the weakest arm out of the top 5 and McCarron.
Remaining calm under pressure == pocket presence, and it's the most important trait a QB needs to possess because it can't really be taught.
You know was else can't be taught ... natural talent. The NFL is going to draft a guy with an ideal arm, good wheels and good size over a guy with average skills and good pocket presence all day long.
Zombo
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He's more accurate a passer than the rest of the QB prospects. Who do you think projects to the NFL?
I think Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater and Carr all could be potential starters. McCarron is likely headed for a backup role
What do you mean by "more accurate" ... he completed the highest percentage of soft tosses against Mississippi St.?
Colt McCoy and Ken Dorsey were accurate too.
When you are playing the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals every week, outdoors, in all conditions, you need to be more than "college accurate" you better be NFL deadly accurate, and if you don't have the arm, you are never going to develop that. So what else does he bring to the table... mobility? No? Oh ... calm under pressure. Ok, so you score 13 points a game with this kid, but he stays calm.
Zombo said:
I think Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater and Carr all could be potential starters. McCarron is likely headed for a backup role
What do you mean by "more accurate" ... he completed the highest percentage of soft tosses against Mississippi St.?
Colt McCoy and Ken Dorsey were accurate too.
When you are playing the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals every week, outdoors, in all conditions, you need to be more than "college accurate" you better be NFL deadly accurate, and if you don't have the arm, you are never going to develop that. So what else does he bring to the table... mobility? No? Oh ... calm under pressure. Ok, so you score 13 points a game with this kid, but he stays calm.
Could you stop arguing against points I'm not making? Like I said before, this assessment is based off of the games he's played against A&M, Auburn, VT, LSU, and Oklahoma this year.
He's more accurate based on the film, and I haven't even bothered to actually look at his stats. According to my eyeball test, he appears to be about 50% on throws over 20 yards and rarely throws it to places where a defender can intercept it. He shows great accuracy on intermediate outs and back shoulder seams on the sideline. He limits mistakes and possesses NFL ready vision.
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Remaining calm under pressure == pocket presence, and it's the most important trait a QB needs to possess because it can't really be taught.
You know was else can't be taught ... natural talent. The NFL is going to draft a guy with an ideal arm, good wheels and good size over a guy with average skills and good pocket presence all day long.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You know was else can't be taught ... natural talent. The NFL is going to draft a guy with an ideal arm, good wheels and good size over a guy with average skills and good pocket presence all day long.
Zombo
Carr is the only QB in the draft with an ideal arm, good wheels, and good size. Unfortunately, he gets panicky at the first whiff of pressure - his first instinct is to flee the pocket, taking an angle away from the line of scrimmage, and throwing off his back foot. He might have a stronger arm than Colt McCoy, but it's not going to do him any good if he lacks the vision and composure to find the open man.
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No one knows how any of these Quarterbacks will perform at the pro level. It's a dice game for every player. You have to go with the stats from college, etc. From there on it's luck.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Not even going to go into why other than ACL tear. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Manziel would all be in the same boat as McCarron if they had torn their ACLs at the end of the season and McCarron if he hadn't would have taken their place on the first round hype train. Who is better when you take injury out of the coniseration? Hell if I know, but the media would be hyping him as the next (insert franchise QB here).
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Not even going to go into why other than ACL tear. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Manziel would all be in the same boat as McCarron if they had torn their ACLs at the end of the season and McCarron if he hadn't would have taken their place on the first round hype train. Who is better when you take injury out of the coniseration? Hell if I know, but the media would be hyping him as the next (insert franchise QB here).
Not even going to go into why other than ACL tear. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Manziel would all be in the same boat as McCarron if they had torn their ACLs at the end of the season and McCarron if he hadn't would have taken their place on the first round hype train. Who is better when you take injury out of the coniseration? Hell if I know, but the media would be hyping him as the next (insert franchise QB here).
He never tore an ACL... What are you talking about?
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No one knows how any of these Quarterbacks will perform at the pro level. It's a dice game for every player. You have to go with the stats from college, etc. From there on it's luck.
You have to go with the stats from college, etc. From there on it's luck.
Film is much more important than stats.
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Not even going to go into why other than ACL tear. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Manziel would all be in the same boat as McCarron if they had torn their ACLs at the end of the season and McCarron if he hadn't would have taken their place on the first round hype train. Who is better when you take injury out of the coniseration? Hell if I know, but the media would be hyping him as the next (insert franchise QB here).
He never tore an ACL... What are you talking about?
He never tore an ACL... What are you talking about?
I was thinking Murry when I wrote that. McCarron is going to go the way of McElroy only he will be drafted higher. Might make a decent back up if he sticks at it and keeps his mouth shut. I can name 8-10 QB's in this years draft that I would rather take a flier on before McCarron.
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I just spent the afternoon watching his games against Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, VT, A&M, and this guy looks like the safest pick at QB. Why is he considered a 3rd rounder? The one thing that sets him apart from everyone else (Carr, JimmyG, Teddy, Bortles, JFF) is how he reacts to pressure. He recognizes the point of attack, continues to go through his reads as he steps up into the pocket, and finds the holes in the defense.McCarron doesn't have the best arm, the best size, nor the best mobility, but his ability to remain calm under pressure is unmatched by any of the other QB prospects this year. His style of play isn't flashy, but he minimizes bad decisions and puts his team in position to win. He's the most well-rounded of the QB prospects and above-average in all categories except for mobility. I think this guy is comparable to Matt Ryan, so why isn't the media crazy about him?
I just spent the afternoon watching his games against Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, VT, A&M, and this guy looks like the safest pick at QB. Why is he considered a 3rd rounder? The one thing that sets him apart from everyone else (Carr, JimmyG, Teddy, Bortles, JFF) is how he reacts to pressure. He recognizes the point of attack, continues to go through his reads as he steps up into the pocket, and finds the holes in the defense.McCarron doesn't have the best arm, the best size, nor the best mobility, but his ability to remain calm under pressure is unmatched by any of the other QB prospects this year. His style of play isn't flashy, but he minimizes bad decisions and puts his team in position to win. He's the most well-rounded of the QB prospects and above-average in all categories except for mobility. I think this guy is comparable to Matt Ryan, so why isn't the media crazy about him?http://clevedog.blogspot.com/2014/03/mock-draft-10.html
Some of us are fans
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You have to go with the stats from college, etc. From there on it's luck.
Film is much more important than stats.
Film is much more important than stats.
And if you watch film, you'd see that the guy sucks.
So what's your point?
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