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hate crime? What's the difference.

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  • C calfoxwc

    To fall under a "Hate Crime" the prosecutor would have to prove that he attacked her because she was white. sad

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    yet, if the races were reversed, it would be assumed by many/most of the activist black culture, and the left, that

    it was a crime because the victim was black. How did we ever let this garbage get to this point ?

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    @calfoxwc said:

    To fall under a "Hate Crime" the prosecutor would have to prove that he attacked her because she was white. sad

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    yet, if the races were reversed, it would be assumed by many/most of the activist black culture, and the left, that

    it was a crime because the victim was black. How did we ever let this garbage get to this point ?

    Yes Cal that is why even though African Americans only make up 13% of the population they account for 23% of "Hate Crimes". Nobody would ever dare to prosecute African Americans for hate crimes.

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      IM not condoneing crime im against it . 1 thing ive never understood is this if a WHITE commits crime against black its a HATE CRIME but when a black commits a crime vs white its never charged as a hate crime. WHY shouldnt it all be equal?

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        @calfoxwc said:

        To fall under a "Hate Crime" the prosecutor would have to prove that he attacked her because she was white. sad

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        yet, if the races were reversed, it would be assumed by many/most of the activist black culture, and the left, that

        it was a crime because the victim was black. How did we ever let this garbage get to this point ?

        Yes Cal that is why even though African Americans only make up 13% of the population they account for 23% of "Hate Crimes". Nobody would ever dare to prosecute African Americans for hate crimes.

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        @sadbrownsfan said:

        Yes Cal that is why even though African Americans only make up 13% of the population they account for 23% of "Hate Crimes". Nobody would ever dare to prosecute African Americans for hate crimes.

        I stand corrected on my mistake. 77 percent it is.

        I would bet that the percentage of hate crimes committed by blacks is under reported. And under prosecuted. And under charged. But I would say that's due to the very nature of a hate crime. And the reason for its existence at all.

        But that still isn't the point.

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          S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by sadbrownsfan
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          Steve its not very easy to get the "Hate Crime" label only about 6,000 crimes got that label during 2012, while there are millions violent and property crimes in the usa every year.

          Edit- The problem is being able to convince a jury that the sole reason for the crime was b/c of the person hatred towards a race\religion\ethnicity\etc.

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            IM not condoneing crime im against it . 1 thing ive never understood is this if a WHITE commits crime against black its a HATE CRIME but when a black commits a crime vs white its never charged as a hate crime. WHY shouldnt it all be equal?

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            @beare said:

            IM not condoneing crime im against it . 1 thing ive never understood is this if a WHITE commits crime against black its a HATE CRIME but when a black commits a crime vs white its never charged as a hate crime. WHY shouldnt it all be equal?

            Clearly that's not true, even just based on the statistics posted in this thread alone.

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            • S sadbrownsfan

              Steve its not very easy to get the "Hate Crime" label only about 6,000 crimes got that label during 2012, while there are millions violent and property crimes in the usa every year.

              Edit- The problem is being able to convince a jury that the sole reason for the crime was b/c of the person hatred towards a race\religion\ethnicity\etc.

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              @sadbrownsfan said:

              Steve its not very easy to get the "Hate Crime" label only about 6,000 crimes got that label during 2012, while there are millions violent and property crimes in the usa every year.

              Edit- The problem is being able to convince a jury that the sole reason for the crime was b/c of the person hatred towards a race\religion\ethnicity\etc.

              Ok.

              So..........?

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                S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                For cases like these it really doesn't matter if it is consider a "Hate Crime" or not, it will get prosecuted to full extent that the law would allow in that State, be that life in prison or the death penalty.

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                  For cases like these it really doesn't matter if it is consider a "Hate Crime" or not, it will get prosecuted to full extent that the law would allow in that State, be that life in prison or the death penalty.

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                  @sadbrownsfan said:

                  For cases like these it really doesn't matter if it is consider a "Hate Crime" or not, it will get prosecuted to full extent that the law would allow in that State, be that life in prison or the death penalty.

                  those are my sentiments as well. So where would we differ? And why then should there be a hate crime category?

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                    @sadbrownsfan said:

                    For cases like these it really doesn't matter if it is consider a "Hate Crime" or not, it will get prosecuted to full extent that the law would allow in that State, be that life in prison or the death penalty.

                    those are my sentiments as well. So where would we differ? And why then should there be a hate crime category?

                    WSS

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                    @westside-steve said:

                    those are my sentiments as well. So where would we differ? And why then should there be a hate crime category?

                    WSS

                    On this type of crime I don't think we would differ, but let say he didn't kill them but only beat them up or burned down the jewish center for the same reason. Then adding it as a "Hate Crime" would carry more legal weight with higher penalties(not sure if we differ here or not)

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      Hate crime laws are a joke. I am with Steve. Who cares about the motivation of the criminal? A beating for money, racism, etc. is still just a beating and should be punished to the full extent.

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                      • W Westside Steve

                        http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/13/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/

                        Here's one for you, boys.

                        So the debate here is whether or not this bastard should be charged with a crime. Hate crime?

                        I say whatever the worst possible punishment allowed by the harshest of judges would be appropriate.

                        Kansas still has a death penalty but if their prison system is harsh enough maybe life would be ok.

                        WSS

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/13/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/

                        Here's one for you, boys.

                        So the debate here is whether or not this bastard should be charged with a crime. Hate crime?

                        I say whatever the worst possible punishment allowed by the harshest of judges would be appropriate.

                        Kansas still has a death penalty but if their prison system is harsh enough maybe life would be ok.

                        WSS

                        The only problem with that is not only do they destroy the life's of there victims but then they become a tax payer burden. With an average cost of 45,000 a year and our prisons are busting at the seems. Kill the fucker

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