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  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    @masterdog said:

    So because there isn't one, we have to get the next thing out there.

    No.

    Manziel is going to suck.

    I dont think so, and plenty more reputable people agree with me.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I dont think so, and plenty more reputable people agree with me.

    and plenty more disagree. he prob splits a vote right down the middle.

    very polarizing character as was tebow. you either love him or hate him.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I dont think so, and plenty more reputable people agree with me.

    and plenty more disagree. he prob splits a vote right down the middle.

    very polarizing character as was tebow. you either love him or hate him.

    @miktoxic said:

    and plenty more disagree. he prob splits a vote right down the middle.

    very polarizing character as was tebow. you either love him or hate him.

    id say 90% of the boards ive seen have him in the top 20 players overall. Now, with that said, taking him at 4 is risky, but if he starts dropping......

  • right now, I'm thinking that Savage, qb, is the better bet.

    Word is on the NFL channel, that he may work himself into the top of the second round.

    Which means, the Browns would have to draft him at #26.

    Crazy draft.

    Manziel has too many legit questions about the move up to the NFL.

    Savage is the better bet. BTW, it's said he will be working out for about 24 NFL teams.

  • I dont think theres a Browns fan alive that was clamoring for the first two. But if you want Tom Savage at 26, you may be put in the PoG bin.

  • @walterwhite said:

    What is the creepy obsession with statue lumbering doofus QB's and Browns fans?

    Derek Anderson/Brandon Weeden/Tom Savage?

    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers....lumbering doofuses like those guys you say?

  • my 12 yo nephew got a 40 on the wonderdick test

    but seriously, test results to me are meaningless. we all know plenty of underachievers who can ace a test with the best of them but lack what we call common sense.

    Football savvy can't be assessed through multiple choice, t or f questions or ink dot interpretation.

    Attention to detail, and the ability to quickly learn new concepts and ideas are far more important.

  • slowburnS slowburn

    my 12 yo nephew got a 40 on the wonderdick test

    but seriously, test results to me are meaningless. we all know plenty of underachievers who can ace a test with the best of them but lack what we call common sense.

    Football savvy can't be assessed through multiple choice, t or f questions or ink dot interpretation.

    Attention to detail, and the ability to quickly learn new concepts and ideas are far more important.

    @slowburn said:

    my 12 yo nephew got a 40 on the wonderdick test

    c'mon man, stop makin up games to get kids to touch you.....

  • not on my watch, chim chim

  • Although I think Johnny is a idiot and will cause nothing but trouble. People still want him because he's a sexy pick. And hope somehow he can bring him play making to the nfl. First off in the nfl everyone is as fast or faster than him, two polarizing characters really bring locker rooms together. And finally it's cold in Cleveland the boy have never played in cold weather...... Ever!!!! Bad pick moving on.

  • Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was.

    I like Savage as a 5th or 6th round developmental QB, and the 2nd QB drafted.
  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was.

    I like Savage as a 5th or 6th round developmental QB, and the 2nd QB drafted.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I like Savage as a 5th or 6th round developmental QB, and the 2nd QB drafted.

    As would I.

    But some people are talking about him moving into the second round and that way too high for him. He has physical tools, but there's too many question marks surrounding his game and mental acuity to condone taking him in the early rounds.

    I couldn't see a team taking him to be their starter or #2 either, unless Jacksonville goes two QB's early this year.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards.

    maybe with the later round guys.

    Flyin JF 1 Reply

  • @mike-h said:

    For such a bad QB draft, there is a ton of talk about all these guys, even the "lower tier" guys like Savage.

    LOL, yeah- that Manziel kid drags the overall talent level way down- just kidding. Is it really a bad qb draft, or are we just over analyzing things? So as a developmental guy how about that Jeff Matthews from Cornell? Liked what I saw of him- Another big "slow" guy- though the definition of what "slow" is for a qb is changing. I'd bet the ranch Peyton Manning can't run a sub 5.0 though.

  • if you could put the attributes of bortles, manziel and bridgewater together in a QB then were talking a #4 guy (hell trade up).

    i think some teams are willing to forego the risk and pray for reward because they need a qb TO START DAY ONE. they are that desparate.

    i don't believe we're that desperate.

    well, we'll find out in a little over 3 weeks.

    tick tock.

    MasterDogM 1 Reply
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards.

    maybe with the later round guys.

    @miktoxic said:

    maybe with the later round guys.

    yeah and ive heard every first round guy rumored to go 1st also
  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    @miktoxic said:

    maybe with the later round guys.

    yeah and ive heard every first round guy rumored to go 1st also

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    yeah and ive heard every first round guy rumored to go 1st also

    well, you'd hope so or there are a lot of people full of shit in sports media.

    the question is where? is the first QB selected going to be @1. 3, 4, 6, 9????

  • My guess is 3.....but which one?

  • Jax buys into the hype and takes JF at three

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