Mangini is man in charge, but he's not making friends
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A lot of us are getting sick of the media's mankok hate crap especially some of clevelands sports media..grossi and shaw are getting really annoying these 2 whine about mangini constantly but yet kept their lips zipped with savage and romeo even backing them up after the bye week when many fans were screaming bloody murder and calling for crennels head..
The mankok team have inherited a nightmare meanwhile the press is still in love with sewage who left the browns ahhh hmmm"better off" then they have been since expansion..thats not the way i see it...from an all round prospective we have a team full of pussies that get hurt if they bend over to tie their shoes thats not talent....
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I like this. They need to earn his respect. He is going to sort out the cancers, and keep the ones who want to play, and win as a team.
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http://www.cantonrep.com/sports/x110296802...-making-friends
A group of writers were sitting around the other night doing what we do best before a Cavaliers game — eating. While munching and waiting for one of the NBA’s best teams to take the floor, what do you suppose the conversation turned to?
Well, it didn’t turn to as much as it was consumed by ... the Cleveland Browns.
We are such miserable louts and as such take great joy in finding misery. There is no better place to find that than at 76 Lou Groza Blvd. A Browns insider told me the atmosphere at headquarters is, to put it mildly, miserable. New Head Coach Eric Mangini is running the place like Napoleon.
Days after Mangini slobbered about the history and tradition of the team, he had a mural of former Browns greats taken down near the players’ entrance. OK, maybe he wants the team to make new history and quit living in the past, but they had better understand the past.
The Browns are — hands down — the worst operated pro team in Cleveland, and that’s all we could talk about?
We were incredulous at some of the team’s moves, such as owner Randy Lerner handing out close to $30 million in salaries, then purging his staff.
Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns. They were laid off from $50,000-per-year-type of jobs. It’s hard to wrap your head around that when Lerner is paying former Head Coach Romeo Crennel, former GM Phil Savage and former Offensive Coordinator Rob Chudzinski about $28 million not to work for the Browns next year. That’s bad business, and that’s being a bad owner.
If you want to know what kind of flavor new GM George Kokinis has when talking to the media, stick a piece of notebook paper in your mouth and chew on it for a half hour.
I give Mangini and Kokinis no more than three years before Lerner has sold the team. That’s right. Lerner will sell the team before he hires another head coach.
Mangini is alienating players already. At a recent public function that Mangini and Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers attended, Rogers said he had yet to meet Mangini but hoped to that night. A few minutes later, Mangini walked past Rogers, who’s hard to miss at 360 pounds, without introducing himself.
Yeah, I see how things are starting. Mangini will run off the guys who don’t worship at his feet in the locker room, then need more “time” to rebuild the roster, thus keeping Lerner’s endless circle of rebuilding going.
If Lerner, Mangini and Kokinis fail, maybe he’ll do us a favor and sell the Browns to LeBron James.
This thing is starting off even rougher than we expected it. I hope this is a giant exaggeration by the writer. He almost sounds like he has a personal vendetta against Mangini.
http://www.cantonrep.com/sports/x110296802...-making-friends
This thing is starting off even rougher than we expected it. I hope this is a giant exaggeration by the writer. He almost sounds like he has a personal vendetta against Mangini.
Can we at least get to the FIRST minicamp before we start stamping premature conclusions on Mangini? We just had a NICE guy as a Head Coach and I didn't see too many guys playing very hard for him.
- Tom F.
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GOOD GOOD GOOD... Romeo wanted to be everyones best friend... You see where that got us.. No where... I don't want a coach who wants to be everyones best friend or needs to be loved by everyone.
I want a guy who kicks butt and wins! nothing more..nothing less... So he is unliked.. BOO FRICKIN HOO.... go cry me a river.... It's about time someone stepped up and said " this is the line in the sand..it's my line, it's my team, it's my way or get the F outa here" .... GO MANGINI.... Keep tickin people off.
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A lot of us are getting sick of the media's mankok hate crap especially some of clevelands sports media..grossi and shaw are getting really annoying these 2 whine about mangini constantly but yet kept their lips zipped with savage and romeo even backing them up after the bye week when many fans were screaming bloody murder and calling for crennels head..
The mankok team have inherited a nightmare meanwhile the press is still in love with sewage who left the browns ahhh hmmm"better off" then they have been since expansion..thats not the way i see it...from an all round prospective we have a team full of pussies that get hurt if they bend over to tie their shoes thats not talent....
A lot of us are getting sick of the media's mankok hate crap especially some of clevelands sports media..grossi and shaw are getting really annoying these 2 whine about mangini constantly but yet kept their lips zipped with savage and romeo even backing them up after the bye week when many fans were screaming bloody murder and calling for crennels head..
The mankok team have inherited a nightmare meanwhile the press is still in love with sewage who left the browns ahhh hmmm"better off" then they have been since expansion..thats not the way i see it...from an all round prospective we have a team full of pussies that get hurt if they bend over to tie their shoes thats not talent....
AMEN..................................
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I don't care if Mangini never even says "Hi" to the players. They're not supposed to be friends. He needs to put them in their place and make it known that nobody is safe. Players tend to play harder when they're trying to keep their jobs.
I don't care if Mangini never even says "Hi" to the players. They're not supposed to be friends. He needs to put them in their place and make it known that nobody is safe. Players tend to play harder when they're trying to keep their jobs.
Yes and no...you don't want players thinking they can get away with whatever they want, but that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge their existence.
Also, do players play harder when they're paranoid about losing their jobs? Sometimes yes, sometimes no...I don't think the Colts players lived in fear under Dungy. Since he's the exemplar of how well cutting guys works, how did Parcells do with the Jets and Cowboys?
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; just being "hard core" doesn't make you a good coach in and of itself; being a good coach does.
Dennis
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all of this whining and not a single quote or reference of a player complaining.
This is ALL press driven...and started about 2 seconds after we hired them when all the NY media started 'warning' the Cleveland press of the problems.
Then they have the audacity to lay people off. Guess what...there have been layoffs in almost every football organization...and we didn't even do the most.
As for how Lerner handles his salary situation with the coaches he let go...that doesn't affect the cap...so I don't see how that pertains to anything.
The writers are looking at a coach/GM/owner of which NONE are overly talkative...and are realizing they are going to have to WORK for their pay...and they don't like it.
TOO BAD. Same as realtors over the past few years....learn to do your job instead of having it handed to you.
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Alotta crap about nothing so far.
How can anyone say anything one way or the other yet?
Give it time, i don't beleive mangini has gone on record about much of anything yet.
More importantly, does BQ like him?
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I don't care if Mangini never even says "Hi" to the players. They're not supposed to be friends. He needs to put them in their place and make it known that nobody is safe. Players tend to play harder when they're trying to keep their jobs.
Yes and no...you don't want players thinking they can get away with whatever they want, but that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge their existence.
Also, do players play harder when they're paranoid about losing their jobs? Sometimes yes, sometimes no...I don't think the Colts players lived in fear under Dungy. Since he's the exemplar of how well cutting guys works, how did Parcells do with the Jets and Cowboys?
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; just being "hard core" doesn't make you a good coach in and of itself; being a good coach does.
Dennis
Yes and no...you don't want players thinking they can get away with whatever they want, but that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge their existence.
Also, do players play harder when they're paranoid about losing their jobs? Sometimes yes, sometimes no...I don't think the Colts players lived in fear under Dungy. Since he's the exemplar of how well cutting guys works, how did Parcells do with the Jets and Cowboys?
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't; just being "hard core" doesn't make you a good coach in and of itself; being a good coach does.
Dennis
and was it a player of someone close to the organization that said he didn't acknowledge a player. IMO spin for a reporter trying to find a story during a slow period. If most of the players from the Jets are saying he is a good coach and they like him then I don't think he is the asshole the media is trying to say he is.
I don't hear a single Jets player say they lived in fear. It's BS until a Browns player says something about the situation.
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Here's Mike Lombardi responding to the article DTBH posted:
This report is dead-on accurate. I've talked to coaches who have been interviewed by the current Browns regime and there is such a negative feeling already in the building that no one wants to face the season. Some of the new coaches are not excited about working for Mangini. Mangini needed to change as soon as he got the job, but his communication skills and his people skills, which came into question with the Jets, are now in question with the Browns.
Mangini must change his approach and realize the NFL is about getting everyone to work for you, not against you. As the leader of the Browns, he has to be the one who is fair and balanced and able to inspire. He must realize what hurt him in New York and work hard to improve those areas. He is at a critical juncture in his career.
Rob Chudzinski is heading back to the Chargers to be their tight ends coach, a source at the Chargers confirmed to me last week. It must feel like he died and went to heaven. He makes a ton of money and gets a chance to repair his career and keeping learning his craft. Winning cures many and cures careers.
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GOOD GOOD GOOD... Romeo wanted to be everyones best friend... You see where that got us.. No where... I don't want a coach who wants to be everyones best friend or needs to be loved by everyone.
I want a guy who kicks butt and wins! nothing more..nothing less... So he is unliked.. BOO FRICKIN HOO.... go cry me a river.... It's about time someone stepped up and said " this is the line in the sand..it's my line, it's my team, it's my way or get the F outa here" .... GO MANGINI.... Keep tickin people off.
GOOD GOOD GOOD... Romeo wanted to be everyones best friend... You see where that got us.. No where... I don't want a coach who wants to be everyones best friend or needs to be loved by everyone.
I want a guy who kicks butt and wins! nothing more..nothing less... So he is unliked.. BOO FRICKIN HOO.... go cry me a river.... It's about time someone stepped up and said " this is the line in the sand..it's my line, it's my team, it's my way or get the F outa here" .... GO MANGINI.... Keep tickin people off.
As Bernie said earlier in the week in an interview its alot easier to start off an a-hole and then ease up. Than be a nice guy then try to install some discipline. Look at Coughlin...a perfect example.
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Here's Mike Lombardi responding to the article DTBH posted:
This report is dead-on accurate. I've talked to coaches who have been interviewed by the current Browns regime and there is such a negative feeling already in the building that no one wants to face the season. Some of the new coaches are not excited about working for Mangini. Mangini needed to change as soon as he got the job, but his communication skills and his people skills, which came into question with the Jets, are now in question with the Browns.
Mangini must change his approach and realize the NFL is about getting everyone to work for you, not against you. As the leader of the Browns, he has to be the one who is fair and balanced and able to inspire. He must realize what hurt him in New York and work hard to improve those areas. He is at a critical juncture in his career.
Rob Chudzinski is heading back to the Chargers to be their tight ends coach, a source at the Chargers confirmed to me last week. It must feel like he died and went to heaven. He makes a ton of money and gets a chance to repair his career and keeping learning his craft. Winning cures many and cures careers.
Aloysius said:
Here's Mike Lombardi responding to the article DTBH posted:The article is horseshit.............................
What coach is going to take a job and then say it sucks. I got to ask, why would he take the job? Maybe the disgruntled peoiple are the ones getting fired? First time the scouts have been in was Thursday. Most of the players aren't in and the new coaches who are evaluating the team personnel were just hired.
Maybe it's that guy who had to turn is boombox off. Or, the personnel guy who was leaking all the info to the press and got fired. Maybe it's the guy who had to paint over the mural?
Sorry, but it doesn't make sense........................................again, horseshit.
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Watch the movie "Twelve O'clock High". Then I think you will understand where he is coming from.
Watch the movie "Twelve O'clock High". Then I think you will understand where he is coming from.
Great point. Gregory Peck was hated because he pointed his finger at them and told them to stop feeling sorry for themselves.
Patton also said it..."God da****, I don't want these men to love me. I want them to fight for me"
It's all about leadership and respecting it.
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Here's Mike Lombardi responding to the article DTBH posted:
This report is dead-on accurate. I've talked to coaches who have been interviewed by the current Browns regime and there is such a negative feeling already in the building that no one wants to face the season. Some of the new coaches are not excited about working for Mangini. Mangini needed to change as soon as he got the job, but his communication skills and his people skills, which came into question with the Jets, are now in question with the Browns.
Mangini must change his approach and realize the NFL is about getting everyone to work for you, not against you. As the leader of the Browns, he has to be the one who is fair and balanced and able to inspire. He must realize what hurt him in New York and work hard to improve those areas. He is at a critical juncture in his career.
Rob Chudzinski is heading back to the Chargers to be their tight ends coach, a source at the Chargers confirmed to me last week. It must feel like he died and went to heaven. He makes a ton of money and gets a chance to repair his career and keeping learning his craft. Winning cures many and cures careers.
Aloysius said:
This report is dead-on accurate. I've talked to coaches who have been interviewed by the current Browns regime and there is such a negative feeling already in the building that no one wants to face the season. Some of the new coaches are not excited about working for Mangini. Mangini needed to change as soon as he got the job, but his communication skills and his people skills, which came into question with the Jets, are now in question with the Browns.Hmmmmm...... let's just substitute "Bill Belichek" for "Mangini" and "Patriots" for "Browns".... now how did that work out?
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This will all boil down to results. If Mangini produces significant improvement (winning season, wild card birth) next season, he'll look like a genius and everyone will be on his side. If not, he'll look like an asshole. The rest of the B.S. is just that....B.S.
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Mangini is alienating players already. At a recent public function that Mangini and Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers attended, Rogers said he had yet to meet Mangini but hoped to that night. A few minutes later, Mangini walked past Rogers, who’s hard to miss at 360 pounds, without introducing himself.
Okay. I've been thinking about this. Why didn't Rogers stand up and introduce himself to the coach? It's a one way street all of a sudden?
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all of this whining and not a single quote or reference of a player complaining.
This is ALL press driven...and started about 2 seconds after we hired them when all the NY media started 'warning' the Cleveland press of the problems.
Then they have the audacity to lay people off. Guess what...there have been layoffs in almost every football organization...and we didn't even do the most.
As for how Lerner handles his salary situation with the coaches he let go...that doesn't affect the cap...so I don't see how that pertains to anything.
The writers are looking at a coach/GM/owner of which NONE are overly talkative...and are realizing they are going to have to WORK for their pay...and they don't like it.
TOO BAD. Same as realtors over the past few years....learn to do your job instead of having it handed to you.
all of this whining and not a single quote or reference of a player complaining.
This is ALL press driven...and started about 2 seconds after we hired them when all the NY media started 'warning' the Cleveland press of the problems.
Then they have the audacity to lay people off. Guess what...there have been layoffs in almost every football organization...and we didn't even do the most.
As for how Lerner handles his salary situation with the coaches he let go...that doesn't affect the cap...so I don't see how that pertains to anything.
The writers are looking at a coach/GM/owner of which NONE are overly talkative...and are realizing they are going to have to WORK for their pay...and they don't like it.
TOO BAD. Same as realtors over the past few years....learn to do your job instead of having it handed to you.
Making crap up...typical of the media during slow time.
Actually, even if some of the stuff IS true, so what?....But here are some Q & A's to & from the media (my version)...
Q...Who is the Brown's current Head Coach?
A...Eric Mangini
result...The above is a FACT!
Q...WHO is/are the coaches/employees so upset with Mangini?
A...(with heads firmly inserted up their butts) HUNH?
result...BULLCRAP!!!...Let's hear NAMES....and FACTS...But then, if you make up "facts" that you can't document, you may have legal problems. It's easier to just make bullcrap up, isn't it?
As I was told years ago, if you can't DOCUMENT it, it didn't happen. Unless something from the media is a quote, I do NOT believe it until it happens. I don't even READ the Canton Repository (Suppository) anymore, & somehow, I don't even miss reading sports articles written by Todd Porter. I think the guy watches sports on TV & then just makes up his own version.
Just my opinion....I can't stand office gossips & I view the media the same way.
Sorry for the rant.
Mike
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When we first hired Mangini and we were all posting whether we thought this was a good move or not I said I had my reservations.
We don't know what we have until we see the finished product on the field.
there is several ways to look at this currently...
If Parcells came in here and painted over our mural, some Browns fans would be throwing away their Jim Brown jerseys in response.
Since it's Mangini, he's pissing on our history.
My take.... there are other ways to get your point across. It wasn't necessary, but I see what he's trying to accomplish.
Now I'm big enough to admit the way I feel or my opinion on any particular subject is not always correct or accurate. But guess what... IT DOESN'T FRICKIN MATTER!!!
We're talking about emotional opinions here. I can be completely wrong in my stance on something and personally I don't give a crap. The way I feel is the way I feel. Until the way I feel changes, it is what it is.
Secondly, we all know that perception is reality. The smart fans are waiting to se what happens. We understand that how we feel about mangini's behavior is not the main issue.
We know the media so far is not exactly enjoying the regime. Their good buddy is gone and the new guy isn't providing donuts apparently. Perfect example of human nature.... you're chowing on FREE food before a Cavs game. You're about to get paid to watch arguably the best team in all of the NBA right now and what do you do... find something to bitch about!!! Nice!!
Mangini won't be as nice as Romeo. He's not willing to look at kids while they take their shoes off and run around. Their not kids!!! Their high priced pawns who sold their soul to the Browns for the agreed upon number of years in the contract!!
The problem isn't so much Mangini's approach... it's how it's accepted. Granted, his approach has a lower success rate when it comes to having people name their children after you. But, bring a championship and there'll be girls born in Cleveland named Eric!
The proof is in the product on the field. How the team responds, we have to wait and see.
This is where veteran leadership has to step up inside the locker room. If the BE's of the team are the most vocal I don't think this plays out well for us. Unfortunately, this is where we need a Willie Mcginest!
You can be an a-hole, but there's also being an a-hole while being personable. The team has to understand EM's intentions. If they think he's a douche, the next three years will suck. If they think he's a douche with their best interest in mind, they'll fight for him.
Perception.
We'll see in September.
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Or, Mangini is a tough LEADER who is a lot like "Tuna" Parcells and wins.and not much like a jovial nice guy like Crennel... we'll see !
Or, Mangini is a tough LEADER who is a lot like "Tuna" Parcells and wins.and not much like a jovial nice guy like Crennel... we'll see !
I was thinking the same thing Cal...then I saw your post
.But really...you should have seen ALL THE SCREAMING when Parcells showed up here at the Dolphins. He DIDN'T win the friendship award. He was criticized how he treated DE Jason Williams (Dancing with the Stars), who was eventually traded to the Redskins. Oh yeah, then the Dolphins won the AFC East. Jason who?
Speculation down here, about Parcells, was that when he shows up he makes a STATEMENT of who is in charge and it's him or the highway NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.
I'm in agreement with it. Where have we gotten with the "Cuddle Method"?
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