The 2014 Schedule is Set
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yeah baltimore is so improved that their begging a 24 yr. old crack head linebacker to come out of retirement, he gets reinstated and retires again 3 days later.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
you are hilarious. wait until week 4 when rice gets suspended and goes to jail for 3 years or will they just pay off the system and sweep it under the rug like they did with ray lewis?
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Regular season schedule
Sept. 7 Cincinnati Bengals, 1
Sept. 11 Pittsburgh Steelers (Thu), 8:25
Sept. 21 at Cleveland Browns, 1
Sept. 28 Carolina Panthers, 1
Oct. 5 at Indianapolis Colts, 1
Oct. 12 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 1
Oct. 19 Atlanta Falcons, 1
Oct. 26 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1
Nov. 2 at Pittsburgh Steelers, 8:30*
Nov. 9 Tennessee Titans, 1
Nov. 16 BYE
Nov. 24 at New Orleans Saints (Mon), 8:30
Nov. 30 San Diego Chargers, 1
Dec. 7 at Miami Dolphins, 1
Dec. 14 Jacksonville Jaguars, 1
Dec. 21 at Houston Texans, 1
Dec. 28 Cleveland Browns, 1
If the Ravens have fallen off some...and I believe they have, they have just as good of a chance to start 0-4 as the Browns do....and 3 of those would be division games.
Well this shows your lack of NFL knowledge. Unless you come to me with facts I cannot take you seriously. What facts do you have that tells you their schedule dictates an 0-4 start....please I would like to hear.
You being a ratbird hater doesn't count as fact...
Well this shows your lack of NFL knowledge. Unless you come to me with facts I cannot take you seriously. What facts do you have that tells you their schedule dictates an 0-4 start....please I would like to hear.
You being a ratbird hater doesn't count as fact...
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
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yeah baltimore is so improved that their begging a 24 yr. old crack head linebacker to come out of retirement, he gets reinstated and retires again 3 days later.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
you are hilarious. wait until week 4 when rice gets suspended and goes to jail for 3 years or will they just pay off the system and sweep it under the rug like they did with ray lewis?
yeah baltimore is so improved that their begging a 24 yr. old crack head linebacker to come out of retirement, he gets reinstated and retires again 3 days later.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
you are hilarious. wait until week 4 when rice gets suspended and goes to jail for 3 years or will they just pay off the system and sweep it under the rug like they did with ray lewis?
Again, because you have no knowledge of these situations I cannot comment. I mean you just say idiotic things. I am surprised Browns fans can even handle you at this point. You have yet to say one educational sentence or one important sentence.
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can't we all get titles like the Cock of the Cotswalds?
i mean Bag O' Dicks is apropos for the baltimore fan but...........
Now, be certain that when we call Howie the Cock of the Cotswalds, we are not referring to the phallic sense, but in the Alpha Male sense, like The Cock of the Walk. Like the rooster in the hen house.
Now, be certain that when we call Howie the Cock of the Cotswalds, we are not referring to the phallic sense, but in the Alpha Male sense, like The Cock of the Walk. Like the rooster in the hen house.
i would hope so, unless his junk precedes himself. his reputation sure does.
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No, you are biased. It does not mean that you will not be right, but don't insult is with saying you are not biased.
Biased would be saying the Ravens are the best in the world and they will never lose a game. I use facts to justify my opinions and reasoning....thats not Bias.
Biased would be saying the Ravens are the best in the world and they will never lose a game. I use facts to justify my opinions and reasoning....thats not Bias.
OK, WHAT are those "facts" that you think apply that would tend to make an objective observor believe the Ravens are improved over last year? I have yet to see them.
The "fact" that they won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago isn't a valid fact.
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yeah baltimore is so improved that their begging a 24 yr. old crack head linebacker to come out of retirement, he gets reinstated and retires again 3 days later.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
you are hilarious. wait until week 4 when rice gets suspended and goes to jail for 3 years or will they just pay off the system and sweep it under the rug like they did with ray lewis?
Again, because you have no knowledge of these situations I cannot comment. I mean you just say idiotic things. I am surprised Browns fans can even handle you at this point. You have yet to say one educational sentence or one important sentence.
Again, because you have no knowledge of these situations I cannot comment. I mean you just say idiotic things. I am surprised Browns fans can even handle you at this point. You have yet to say one educational sentence or one important sentence.
like i could give a rat's ass what you think little boy. go sniff out some garbage cans and jump in. feel at home?
what a piece of shit city baltiwhore is. you couldn't pay me to go through jersey to get to you.
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Well this shows your lack of NFL knowledge. Unless you come to me with facts I cannot take you seriously. What facts do you have that tells you their schedule dictates an 0-4 start....please I would like to hear.
You being a ratbird hater doesn't count as fact...
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
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All pure speculation, all subject to potentially rebuttal....all pretty much assumptions based on past performance.
I mean, once upon a time the Browns had an undefeated untied season.
As for learning how to lose/win, the Ravens are on two game losing streak to end the season. Why should not that performance continue?
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please give me your rebuttal to my assessments. I would love to hear. Like I said, they are my opinions. I think the Browns have a decent team, but I don't look at them and go wow they really improved so much so that they're gonna win 9-10 games.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please give me your rebuttal to my assessments. I would love to hear. Like I said, they are my opinions. I think the Browns have a decent team, but I don't look at them and go wow they really improved so much so that they're gonna win 9-10 games.
I am not going to bore myself with making a rebuttal of your opinions on every single one of the Browns forthcoming 16 games.
I got down to like 2 and got bored.
Here is the reply to each one: speculation. You simply say "the Browns failed in the past here...and will do so again".
My reply is: maybe they will...and maybe they won't. That was then, this is now. No one knows the future.
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Biased would be saying the Ravens are the best in the world and they will never lose a game. I use facts to justify my opinions and reasoning....thats not Bias.
OK, WHAT are those "facts" that you think apply that would tend to make an objective observor believe the Ravens are improved over last year? I have yet to see them.
The "fact" that they won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago isn't a valid fact.
OK, WHAT are those "facts" that you think apply that would tend to make an objective observor believe the Ravens are improved over last year? I have yet to see them.
The "fact" that they won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago isn't a valid fact.
That's not a valid point. Actually the fact that they won the super bowl 2 years ago is reason for them to have finished 8-8 last year. Thats what happens when you have a championship team....people want your players and will overpay for them. You guys know about that (Paul Kruger) amongst many others.
Also, look above in the thread you will see why the Ravens are much improved from last year.
Would you like to give me facts as to why they have declined since last year?
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You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please give me your rebuttal to my assessments. I would love to hear. Like I said, they are my opinions. I think the Browns have a decent team, but I don't look at them and go wow they really improved so much so that they're gonna win 9-10 games.
I am not going to bore myself with making a rebuttal of your opinions on every single one of the Browns forthcoming 16 games.
I got down to like 2 and got bored.
Here is the reply to each one: speculation. You simply say "the Browns failed in the past here...and will do so again".
My reply is: maybe they will...and maybe they won't. That was then, this is now. No one knows the future.
I am not going to bore myself with making a rebuttal of your opinions on every single one of the Browns forthcoming 16 games.
I got down to like 2 and got bored.
Here is the reply to each one: speculation. You simply say "the Browns failed in the past here...and will do so again".
My reply is: maybe they will...and maybe they won't. That was then, this is now. No one knows the future.
No one does, but when you make a prediction...you cannot look to the future to thing anything will change. I am not basing my predictions off of a bad year its been 15 freaking years dude. The teams been an NFL laughing stock. I see no reason to believe anything would change. Why should it?
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go the fuck away already. i mean because the schedule came out you gotta come in and sniff out some predictions?
wow. what a loser.
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go the fuck away already. i mean because the schedule came out you gotta come in and sniff out some predictions?
wow. what a loser.
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go the fuck away already. i mean because the schedule came out you gotta come in and sniff out some predictions?
wow. what a loser.
First of all....this isn't my first go around in here. I was here last year too kid. Good bye. You leave if you don't know how to be normal
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All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
But, the Bengals are the better team. And the better team usually wins....and the Bengals CAN win in Baltimore..having not done so in the past does not dictate the future.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
I won't cry if you beat Pittsburgh....but the Steelers have gone into Baltimore and won any number of times. Again, what was the case in the past don't matter to this new game. Steelers can and have won this type of game and plausibly could do so again.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
The Browns were just as depleted from injuries as the Browns last year. BrandonfreekingWeeden almost beat the Ravens in Baltimore. The Browns will have a better QB on the field...and have their injured receivers etc. back as well. The Browns split with Balt. last year, were a cunt hair from sweeping...so they can plausibly win this game. The fact is, except at QB possibly, the Browns may have superior talent overall.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
The last time Iooked the Ravens were getting beat by a 41-7 score...at home.
Then the next game they lost by 34-17 by the Patriots. Panthers are potentially on a par with New England. And Steve Smith? He may prove just why the Panthers let him go. He perhaps has little left (more likely than him returning to the form he showed in his prime)
That is the current state of the Ravens.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
Well....the fact is....the Ravens, last year were a mediocre team.....and getting pretty much worse as the season wore on.
You are the one who want to use the past to predict the future....so, that is the recent past of the Ravens you have to live with.
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Hey Bag O' Dicks, quit being such a bag o' dicks.
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All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
But, the Bengals are the better team. And the better team usually wins....and the Bengals CAN win in Baltimore..having not done so in the past does not dictate the future.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
I won't cry if you beat Pittsburgh....but the Steelers have gone into Baltimore and won any number of times. Again, what was the case in the past don't matter to this new game. Steelers can and have won this type of game and plausibly could do so again.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
The Browns were just as depleted from injuries as the Browns last year. BrandonfreekingWeeden almost beat the Ravens in Baltimore. The Browns will have a better QB on the field...and have their injured receivers etc. back as well. The Browns split with Balt. last year, were a cunt hair from sweeping...so they can plausibly win this game. The fact is, except at QB possibly, the Browns may have superior talent overall.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
The last time Iooked the Ravens were getting beat by a 41-7 score...at home.
Then the next game they lost by 34-17 by the Patriots. Panthers are potentially on a par with New England. And Steve Smith? He may prove just why the Panthers let him go. He perhaps has little left (more likely than him returning to the form he showed in his prime)
That is the current state of the Ravens.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
Well....the fact is....the Ravens, last year were a mediocre team.....and getting pretty much worse as the season wore on.
You are the one who want to use the past to predict the future....so, that is the recent past of the Ravens you have to live with.
All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
But, the Bengals are the better team. And the better team usually wins....and the Bengals CAN win in Baltimore..having not done so in the past does not dictate the future.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
I won't cry if you beat Pittsburgh....but the Steelers have gone into Baltimore and won any number of times. Again, what was the case in the past don't matter to this new game. Steelers can and have won this type of game and plausibly could do so again.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
The Browns were just as depleted from injuries as the Browns last year. BrandonfreekingWeeden almost beat the Ravens in Baltimore. The Browns will have a better QB on the field...and have their injured receivers etc. back as well. The Browns split with Balt. last year, were a cunt hair from sweeping...so they can plausibly win this game. The fact is, except at QB possibly, the Browns may have superior talent overall.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
The last time Iooked the Ravens were getting beat by a 41-7 score...at home.
Then the next game they lost by 34-17 by the Patriots. Panthers are potentially on a par with New England. And Steve Smith? He may prove just why the Panthers let him go. He perhaps has little left (more likely than him returning to the form he showed in his prime)
That is the current state of the Ravens.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
Well....the fact is....the Ravens, last year were a mediocre team.....and getting pretty much worse as the season wore on.
You are the one who want to use the past to predict the future....so, that is the recent past of the Ravens you have to live with.
All very very good points, but again making predictions means speaking off what we know. Talking about "past doesn't dictate...." is dumb. Thats like saying the Jaqs can go 16-0 cuz the past means nothing....stupidity,.
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Hey Bag O' Dicks, quit being such a bag o' dicks.
Hey Bag O' Dicks, quit being such a bag o' dicks.
good one. THnaks!
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OK, WHAT are those "facts" that you think apply that would tend to make an objective observor believe the Ravens are improved over last year? I have yet to see them.
The "fact" that they won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago isn't a valid fact.
That's not a valid point. Actually the fact that they won the super bowl 2 years ago is reason for them to have finished 8-8 last year. Thats what happens when you have a championship team....people want your players and will overpay for them. You guys know about that (Paul Kruger) amongst many others.
Also, look above in the thread you will see why the Ravens are much improved from last year.
Would you like to give me facts as to why they have declined since last year?
That's not a valid point. Actually the fact that they won the super bowl 2 years ago is reason for them to have finished 8-8 last year. Thats what happens when you have a championship team....people want your players and will overpay for them. You guys know about that (Paul Kruger) amongst many others.
Also, look above in the thread you will see why the Ravens are much improved from last year.
I haven't seen a damn thing to show where they improved, at all? I have seen your opinion that you think that because they had injuries last year that hurt them. Every damn team had injuries. The Browns lost a QB who was 3-0 as a starter. What worse injury than that could you have?What players that that the Ravens acquired that were a big improvement?
Would you like to give me facts as to why they have declined since last year?
Lost in FA:
Arthur Jones
Ed Dickson
Corey Graham
James Ihedigbo
Michael Oher
Jameel McClain
Gained in FA:
Darian Stewart
Justin Forsett
Owen Daniels
Steve Smith
By far a net loss in talent in the FA market. You rely on getting Steve Smith to be the improvement you seek. Maybe, or it may be just a suckers bet.
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I am not going to bore myself with making a rebuttal of your opinions on every single one of the Browns forthcoming 16 games.
I got down to like 2 and got bored.
Here is the reply to each one: speculation. You simply say "the Browns failed in the past here...and will do so again".
My reply is: maybe they will...and maybe they won't. That was then, this is now. No one knows the future.
No one does, but when you make a prediction...you cannot look to the future to thing anything will change. I am not basing my predictions off of a bad year its been 15 freaking years dude. The teams been an NFL laughing stock. I see no reason to believe anything would change. Why should it?
No one does, but when you make a prediction...you cannot look to the future to thing anything will change. I am not basing my predictions off of a bad year its been 15 freaking years dude. The teams been an NFL laughing stock. I see no reason to believe anything would change. Why should it?
Well, if we only went by the fact that a team had been previously bad...then the Steelers apparently never had any right to win 4 SBs in the 1970s after being the worst team in football for 40 years.
And gee, those Seahawks...they have pretty much sucked since they entered the league in 1976.
And perhaps you are right.....you see no reason for anything to change with the Browns......but we all do see reasons for it to change.
Start with the fact that this Browns team had more Pro Bowl performers than any other AFCN team:
Cameron, Thomas, Gordon, Mack, Haden, Whitner.
Ravens had Yanda, Suggs, Ngata, and a kicker.
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i never got people that know they aren't wanted but won't leave.
like a drunken bum you have to toss out the bar at the end of the night. just get the fuck out already.
who cares who you are or what you've done. nobody likes you and nobody wants you here.
bug off.
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All very good points...but here's my rebuttal....
They are playing the Bengals....defending division champions. -Bengals seldom win in Baltimore...Dalton has never won in Baltimore and the Ravens are 14-0 in home September games
But, the Bengals are the better team. And the better team usually wins....and the Bengals CAN win in Baltimore..having not done so in the past does not dictate the future.
They are playing the Steelers. You yourself say the Browns have no chance against them. Why should the Ravens do any better. -The Ravens always split with Pittsburgh and usually win at home...plus short week on Thursday is not good for a road team (pittsburgh) and again Ravens are 14-0 in home September games\
I won't cry if you beat Pittsburgh....but the Steelers have gone into Baltimore and won any number of times. Again, what was the case in the past don't matter to this new game. Steelers can and have won this type of game and plausibly could do so again.
They play the Browns, who beat them once last year and came close to doing so in the other game. - 1-11 all time against Harbaugh/Flacco. In my opinion a healthy Ravens team will rebound from last years loss.
The Browns were just as depleted from injuries as the Browns last year. BrandonfreekingWeeden almost beat the Ravens in Baltimore. The Browns will have a better QB on the field...and have their injured receivers etc. back as well. The Browns split with Balt. last year, were a cunt hair from sweeping...so they can plausibly win this game. The fact is, except at QB possibly, the Browns may have superior talent overall.
They play the Panthers....who were only like 12-4 last year. -Again in Baltimore and Steve Smith will make sure they don't lose. Plus the Ravens are the 2nd best team since 2000 at home, so they are very tough to beat in Baltimore.
The last time Iooked the Ravens were getting beat by a 41-7 score...at home.
Then the next game they lost by 34-17 by the Patriots. Panthers are potentially on a par with New England. And Steve Smith? He may prove just why the Panthers let him go. He perhaps has little left (more likely than him returning to the form he showed in his prime)
That is the current state of the Ravens.
Yes, it is entirely plausible they could lose their first 4 games, as plausible as the Browns doing so.
Sorry if you don't like those facts
I like your facts and you make a nice point, but they are all opinions that lead further away from the truth. I just presented FACTS to back up my opinions. You don't....
Well....the fact is....the Ravens, last year were a mediocre team.....and getting pretty much worse as the season wore on.
You are the one who want to use the past to predict the future....so, that is the recent past of the Ravens you have to live with.
All very very good points, but again making predictions means speaking off what we know. Talking about "past doesn't dictate...." is dumb. Thats like saying the Jaqs can go 16-0 cuz the past means nothing....stupidity,.
All very very good points, but again making predictions means speaking off what we know. Talking about "past doesn't dictate...." is dumb. Thats like saying the Jaqs can go 16-0 cuz the past means nothing....stupidity,.
Fine...let's look at the past. The recent past. The Ravens are a declining team. They lost the last two game they played by a total of 51 points.
The Browns have double the number of Pro Bowl caliber position players.
The Browns and Ravens split last years games...and the one they lost, in Baltimore, they were driving for the tieing score, but barely failed to make it.
The Browns lost their starting QB to a knee injury.
The Browns have 2 first round picks this year that should, if done right, vastly help with their talent pool.
On the other hand, the Browns do have 2 bad things...and yes, they are big: A. An unsettled QB situation, if Hoyer isn't the man.
B. That history of losing...not being able to get it done.
But, on the other hand, we do have a new Owner, GM, HC, OC, DC etc.
Can these guys do what Browns regimes past could not? Who knows. But the luck may turn sometime.
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