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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    Weird. It seems really weird, the Obamao feds going berserk,

    and verbally and phsically looking for fights with the American people.

    Reid is also on the warpath....

    http://patriotoutdoornews.com/9806/dhs-huge-new-ammo-order-may-23rd-response-date

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      S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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      Oh so should groups like the border patrol, secret service, the coast guard, and even TSA not have ammo?

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        What's the insinuation here? Do people think that someone blew up the shotgun shell factory to artificially inflate prices before the government places an order? I don't know - did shotgun shell prices go up after this?

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          What's the insinuation here? Do people think that someone blew up the shotgun shell factory to artificially inflate prices before the government places an order? I don't know - did shotgun shell prices go up after this?

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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          @gftchris said:

          What's the insinuation here? Do people think that someone blew up the shotgun shell factory to artificially inflate prices before the government places an order? I don't know - did shotgun shell prices go up after this?

          They are insinuating that they are bad at math and thus think 25 million shotgun shells sounds scary.

          There are so many different organizations that need training ammo over the course of a year that 25 million doesn't sound that bad at all. These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

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            @gftchris said:

            What's the insinuation here? Do people think that someone blew up the shotgun shell factory to artificially inflate prices before the government places an order? I don't know - did shotgun shell prices go up after this?

            They are insinuating that they are bad at math and thus think 25 million shotgun shells sounds scary.

            There are so many different organizations that need training ammo over the course of a year that 25 million doesn't sound that bad at all. These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            @logicisforsquares said:

            These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

            Sure, but...how?

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              @logicisforsquares said:

              These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

              Sure, but...how?

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @gftchris said:

              Sure, but...how?

              Obama himself planted explosives in the factor and put in the order for ammo minutes afterwards. He nearly got himself caught. You can't goose step very fast.

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                @gftchris said:

                What's the insinuation here? Do people think that someone blew up the shotgun shell factory to artificially inflate prices before the government places an order? I don't know - did shotgun shell prices go up after this?

                They are insinuating that they are bad at math and thus think 25 million shotgun shells sounds scary.

                There are so many different organizations that need training ammo over the course of a year that 25 million doesn't sound that bad at all. These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

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                S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                @logicisforsquares said:

                They are insinuating that they are bad at math and thus think 25 million shotgun shells sounds scary.

                There are so many different organizations that need training ammo over the course of a year that 25 million doesn't sound that bad at all. These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

                Also since the DHS has groups that arguably shouldn't be buying ammo such as FEMA and immigrations services, sites like this usually want people to believe that dems are secretly stock piling weapons for something. But DHS has many departments that require ammo.

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
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                  I feel like this is exactly how the last thread Cal made like this went.

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    It isn't just 25 million. It's 25 million MORE. The point is, the order came right after the

                    explosion.

                    Meaning, holder and obaMao and co want to drive the price up on ammo.

                    And, who here thinks that using 25 million shotgun shells up in one year, or two,

                    wouldn't be insane?

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                      "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour." -
                      George Washington in address to the 2nd session of united States Congress.
                      "The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
                      Henry St. George Tucker, in Blackstone's 1768 “Commentaries on the Laws of England.", Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court & U.S. Dist. Court of Virginia
                       
                      "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -
                      Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria
                       
                      "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -
                      Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950)
                       
                      "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -
                      Edmund Burke
                       
                      "For the first time in history does a nation have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead in the future." -
                      Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935, in address to the Reichstag
                       
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                        It isn't just 25 million. It's 25 million MORE. The point is, the order came right after the

                        explosion.

                        Meaning, holder and obaMao and co want to drive the price up on ammo.

                        And, who here thinks that using 25 million shotgun shells up in one year, or two,

                        wouldn't be insane?

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                        S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by sadbrownsfan
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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        It isn't just 25 million. It's 25 million MORE. The point is, the order came right after the

                        explosion.

                        Meaning, holder and obaMao and co want to drive the price up on ammo.

                        And, who here thinks that using 25 million shotgun shells up in one year, or two,

                        wouldn't be insane?

                        http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2

                        total amount of ammunition used by DHS in the fiscal years 2010 2011 and 2012

                        Training 2010 Operational use 2010 Training 2011 Operational use 2011 Training 2012 Operational use 2012

                        Total DHS 109,439,239 25,153,379 87,211,770 23,519,077 88,339,934 27,887,847

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                          "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour." -
                          George Washington in address to the 2nd session of united States Congress.
                          "The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
                          Henry St. George Tucker, in Blackstone's 1768 “Commentaries on the Laws of England.", Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court & U.S. Dist. Court of Virginia
                           
                          "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -
                          Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria
                           
                          "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -
                          Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950)
                           
                          "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -
                          Edmund Burke
                           
                          "For the first time in history does a nation have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead in the future." -
                          Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935, in address to the Reichstag
                           
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                          S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour." -
                          George Washington in address to the 2nd session of united States Congress.
                          "The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
                          Henry St. George Tucker, in Blackstone's 1768 “Commentaries on the Laws of England.", Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court & U.S. Dist. Court of Virginia
                           
                          "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -
                          Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria
                           
                          "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -
                          Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950)
                           
                          "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -
                          Edmund Burke
                           
                          "For the first time in history does a nation have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead in the future." -
                          Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935, in address to the Reichstag
                           

                          "When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses not zebras".

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            Well damn, if those things were said almost 250 years ago I can't imagine anything has changed since then

                            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              Yes, things change.

                              Engineers don't have to be smart enough to use a slide rule anymore....

                              But freedom doesn't. And human beings' desire to be free doesn't.

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                Oh are you not free? I must have missed that. I missed the part where any form of gun reform and/or regulation takes away your freedom.

                                But hell, if you want to take quotes from 250 years ago and apply them directly to today, be my guest. It totally solidifies your argument. Totally. I'm sure all of your Te Party real american patriots get a big boner out of it.

                                Also, I would bet on average, engineers coming out of school today know more than they did 20, 30 years ago. So keep your slide rule, I'll take MATLAB.

                                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  It's history.

                                  Disarming populations became a precursor to oppression.

                                  Do you really think those quotes are from 250 years ago? What?

                                  A survivor of the Cuban communist regime, and a survivor of

                                  the nazi takeover of Germany?

                                  Really. Sounds like you are really poor at math. "idiot savant" doesn't apply

                                  to you...

                                  except the first word. And, I never had a slide rule, didn't like advanced math, etc.

                                  But I do know that WWII wasn't 250 years ago. 😁

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                                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                    Yes, your most recent quote is only 79 years old, congrats.

                                    If you think these quotes completely win the argument for you... then damn. You're something special....

                                    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                      Now that you had someone help you with your math, I don't think those quotes completely do anything.

                                      But they are cause for consideration of where we are going as a country under this corrupt, marxist regime.

                                      And, as most folks are aware, marxism is a just step that leads to COMMUNISM....

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                                        Now that you had someone help you with your math, I don't think those quotes completely do anything.

                                        But they are cause for consideration of where we are going as a country under this corrupt, marxist regime.

                                        And, as most folks are aware, marxism is a just step that leads to COMMUNISM....

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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        Now that you had someone help you with your math, I don't think those quotes completely do anything.

                                        But they are cause for consideration of where we are going as a country under this corrupt, marxist regime.

                                        And, as most folks are aware, marxism is a just step that leads to capitalism.

                                        Then you should love Marxism since you seem to believe capitalism is the greatest thing of all time

                                        Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                          @logicisforsquares said:

                                          They are insinuating that they are bad at math and thus think 25 million shotgun shells sounds scary.

                                          There are so many different organizations that need training ammo over the course of a year that 25 million doesn't sound that bad at all. These nimrods just want to think that somehow the factory explosion is related to the government ordering ammo.

                                          Also since the DHS has groups that arguably shouldn't be buying ammo such as FEMA and immigrations services, sites like this usually want people to believe that dems are secretly stock piling weapons for something. But DHS has many departments that require ammo.

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                                          @sadbrownsfan said:

                                          Also since the DHS has groups that arguably shouldn't be buying ammo such as FEMA and immigrations services, sites like this usually want people to believe that dems are secretly stock piling weapons for something. But DHS has many departments that require ammo.

                                          Immigrations comes under Customs and border protection and they are armed.

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