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How high will Shazier go?

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  • Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on
    #11

    He isn't a traditional inside linebacker, but the position is starting get fluid. A few years ago you would never have a guy in the middle that was 230, but that is starting to be the trend. If we are ok with Robertson at the position, than we should be happy to have Shazier to replace him.

    The thing about CB is there is a handful of good guys at that position, where as inside linebacker is bone dry. We could still pick up fuller, dennard, and even Phillip Gaines (whom is another guy I have really taken a liking to) with the 26 or later

  • B Bummie wrote on
    #12

    Compare Shazie's combine size to Willis from San Fran,then compare his combine stats to Willis's combine stats. He'll become stronger once he's paid to work out full time. I think Pettine could turn him into a top 5 ILB within 2, maybe 3 years.

  • B Bummie wrote on
    #13

    That said I wouldnt trade down for him. Take him at 26 if he's there. If we trade down I'd hope it would be for Gilbert...then grab Yankee or Sua Filo with pick 35 or our extra 2nd rounder.

  • Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on
    #14

    I by no means think he has the same skill set a Willis but I agree that with proper coaching he can be a very good inside linebacker. You can't teach speed or the willingness to hit and he has those 2 in spades

  • B Bummie wrote on
    #15

    Yeah I think Willis kills him in the instinct and power category. They both make tackles...but Willis looks like he gets lower. Like you mentioned, im just comparing the guys on paper. Pettine would be the guy to do the rest.

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike

    How HUGE is our LB need? I would not even reach for him.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #16

    @lbc-mike said:

    How HUGE is our LB need? I would not even reach for him.

    In my opinion a second ILB may be our second highest priority....if you think QB is #1. If you don't think QB is #1, the ILB is our top priority.

    I personally would be very, very tempted to take Shazier at #26 if he is there.

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike

    With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #17

    @lbc-mike said:

    With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer.

    Sorry, but no, I think last year Robertson was one of our weakest links on defense. I think he is OK for a backup...but we need an upgrade from him....whomever that may be.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    getting a true #2 CB is a much greater need than getting an ILB. we signed dansby to replace DQ and have some depth there.

    can't say the same for CB.

    QB

    CB

    OG

    WR

    LB

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #18

    @miktoxic said:

    getting a true #2 CB is a much greater need than getting an ILB. we signed dansby to replace DQ and have some depth there.

    can't say the same for CB.

    QB

    CB

    OG

    WR

    LB

    I think Skrine does better at his slot than Robertson does at his, so I would put ILB above CB on the pecking order....not that we cannot also use an upgrade at CB. So, if the Browns go CB late 1st early 2d, and don't go ILB, I won't cry about it.

    Of course, it would depend on the talent available. If at 26, there is a better CB talent there....go for that. But if there is a better ILB talent....go for that. (same with all other positions....if OG Yankey is there at 26 I think he has to seriously be considered).

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike

    With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #19

    @lbc-mike said:

    With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer.

    I think that while those two would be *fine* for this season - Dansby will be very good, robertson will be not great - but we need to plan for the future sooner rather than later. Even if we get two or three solid years of production from Dansby, we're still just postponing the need to fill the hole. Get in an ILB now that can learn from Dansby while splitting time with Robertson, before eventually taking over from first Robertson, then Dansby (at which point we'd need another ILB).

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #20

    it really depends on the browns plan with their first 2 picks. everyone has us taking watkins @4. but if mack is there we wouldn't pick him? if we pick mack then this discussion is moot, but let's say they pick QB @4 then would you pick CB, LB or WR @26?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #21

    If Mack is there, then I take him in a heartbeat. He's an impact LB you cannot pass on. And an impact LB is something we sorely lack.

    As for Shazier... I think HB nailed it. A good round 2 prospect as a 4-3 OLB.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    it really depends on the browns plan with their first 2 picks. everyone has us taking watkins @4. but if mack is there we wouldn't pick him? if we pick mack then this discussion is moot, but let's say they pick QB @4 then would you pick CB, LB or WR @26?

    B Bummie wrote on
    #22

    @miktoxic said:

    it really depends on the browns plan with their first 2 picks. everyone has us taking watkins @4. but if mack is there we wouldn't pick him? if we pick mack then this discussion is moot, but let's say they pick QB @4 then would you pick CB, LB or WR @26?

    If we go QB at 4, it would be difficult to imagine us not taking a WR at 26 or 35. If Gordon goes down we'll really be hurting and will need a top prospect at that position to take the lead. Staying on that point, I would be surprised if we don't take two WRs by the end of the 4th round, for the injury reason mentioned above.

    As for what position other than WR, I could see a CB or ILB, I guess it would all depend on who was there. If you're sitting at 26 and have Fuller, Shazier, Mosley and someone like Cooks to choose from (all of those won't be there), it likely just comes down to bpa.

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  • PlaygroundLegendP PlaygroundLegend wrote on
    #23

    To answer the OP.. 26 to the browns!

  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #24

    I don't think he makes it past Cincinnati.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #25

    @mike-h said:

    lol... Jesus get over yourself.

    mmmkay...

    So Mack's not an impact LB?

    Or we are already loaded with impact LBs?

    Or Both?

    Or Shazier is the shiznik?

    Or all the above?

    C'mon, Mr. PFWA, school this poor man...

    or STFU...

    Better?

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  • VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #26

    I doubt shazier falls out of round 1.

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    I doubt shazier falls out of round 1.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #27

    @vagitron said:

    I doubt shazier falls out of round 1.

    I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @vagitron said:

    I doubt shazier falls out of round 1.

    I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU.

    B Bummie wrote on
    #28

    @the-gipper said:

    I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU.

    Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks)

    1a. Watkins

    1b. Shazier or Mosley

    2b. Fuller or Roby

    3a. Yankee

    3b. QB

    4a. Abbrederis

    4b. Simms, White or other RB

  • B Bummie

    @the-gipper said:

    I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU.

    Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks)

    1a. Watkins

    1b. Shazier or Mosley

    2b. Fuller or Roby

    3a. Yankee

    3b. QB

    4a. Abbrederis

    4b. Simms, White or other RB

    G GuNNerGatSKi wrote on
    #29

    @bummie said:

    Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks)

    1a. Watkins

    1b. Shazier or Mosley

    2b. Fuller or Roby

    3a. Yankee

    3b. QB

    4a. Abbrederis

    4b. Simms, White or other RB

    I highly doubt Fuller makes it out of round one, and honestly I would rather take him at 26 instead of Shazier. I thing having as many good corners as poasble will have a much greater impact than two beastly ILB would in the pass happy NFL.

  • G GuNNerGatSKi

    @bummie said:

    Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks)

    1a. Watkins

    1b. Shazier or Mosley

    2b. Fuller or Roby

    3a. Yankee

    3b. QB

    4a. Abbrederis

    4b. Simms, White or other RB

    I highly doubt Fuller makes it out of round one, and honestly I would rather take him at 26 instead of Shazier. I thing having as many good corners as poasble will have a much greater impact than two beastly ILB would in the pass happy NFL.

    B Bummie wrote on
    #30

    GuNNerGatSKy said:

    I highly doubt Fuller makes it out of round one, and honestly I would rather take him at 26 instead of Shazier. I thing having as many good corners as poasble will have a much greater impact than two beastly ILB would in the pass happy NFL.

    I agree. It was a "dream" draft. There's a very good chance every corner and LB I have listed will be gone by 26, as well as Sua Filo (not listed, but preferred). 26 will be an interesting pick. Can't wait for Thursday night to see how it plays out.

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