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  • He's from Florida State. But I agree.

    With Curry and Raji gone I'd be all over Crabtree there.

  • I agree....or the RT Smith.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • 2 2yy4u

    Don't particularly like our picks there. I would Solidify our line w/Smith, OT from bama or Crabtree before we blow another pick on a DE from PSU.

    @2yy4u said:

    Don't particularly like our picks there. I would Solidify our line w/Smith, OT from bama or Crabtree before we blow another pick on a DE from PSU.

    if currys off the board i can't see us passing on the best player in the draft crabtree

  • If that's the way the top 4 go, and Crabtree is still there, then I think they need to look at trading that pick. There are other receivers in this draft, none as great as Crabtree, but several that can fill our needs. And we need plenty more than one spot can give us. We can get an extra pick or two with Crabtree still there at 5. Let's try to fill multiple needs when the opportunity is there.

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  • it kills me seeing the ravens pick alphonso smith, who i think will be a great player. he has tremendous instincts at CB and is a true ballhawk. in the ravens' defense, he'll get lots of opportunities to get his hands on the ball, which he'll do more often than not.

    the niners aren't going to go WR in the first. singletary is going to install a run-first offense and they already have two decent young receivers in jason hill and josh morgan to go along with isaac bruce as their mentor and vernon davis at TE, so receiver is pretty much one of the only positions they won't look at in the first. having watched them for all of 2008, QB, OL, a HB to pair with frank gore, DL if raji's somehow there, OLB and S are all positions of greater need than WR.

    percy harvin is an awful pick for the bears. as in the BE trade thread, it's putting the cart before the horse. they need a viable QB before they start putting together a receiving corps, and picking a WR who's similar to hester (small, speedy, needs to learn on the job) is a terrible idea. if they were to go receiver, hakeem nicks is a far better choice for their needs, but DL and HB are far bigger needs for them. their pass rush wasn't as good as it's been in the past this year, and the cover 2 needs a great pass rush to be successful, and with a less than threatening QB, they need to have a solid running game to succeed. wells could go to chicago. his size is great for a cold weather team and would fit the bears' bruising image/mentality.

    as for the pick listed, i'm warming up to everette brown, but converting a DE to OLB is worrisome and has been unsuccessful in the past. he also has a tendency to show up for a game and then do nothing in the next, and we need a consistent player who can provide a pass rush game after game.

    however, like LCDawg said, if crabtree's available at five, it's time to auction off that pick and spend fourteen minutes and forty seconds getting the best offer we possibly can from whichever team is smitten by him. get the picks, move down, improve the team with a multitude of solid players. if we trade down low enough, larry english could be a sensible pick at OLB. i'd be ecstatic.

    taking a CB in the second largely depends on what the new staff thinks of wright, mcdonald and holly, but this staff is so tight-lipped that we'll have no idea what they think of the CBs on the roster until the draft. if they don't draft a replacement, it's an endorsement. otherwise, the staff obviously thinks we need an upgrade. not resigning holly would also be a big sign that we're going to go CB in the first two rounds.

    however, the general consensus on the board is that we have bigger needs than CB, and i agree.

  • Reading McShay's comments, makes me think DA could end up in Detroit or NYJets. Stafford is not a QB at #1 overall. The "value" pick may be OT.

    Detroit could take the DB at #20, or they could further their Offensive Line with Oher (which is what I would do). Then get DA with the 33 pick. Seems they helped themselves out immediately. They now have an offense that should put points on the board and seats in the stands.

    Do the Jets really want to wait for Sanchez to develop??? He's at least a 1 year project, possibly 2 years. He has the talent and is worth a 17 pick, but do they want to waste that pick on player that won't contribute for a year or two. DA would start day 1 (assuming he can make the team). At pick #52, the Browns have their choice of many decent CB or RB (Shone Greene)

  • It has to come down to what we do in FA and also if we can make trades to get additional picks. That will determine if we have to look closer at need or draft the best player available.

    I just don't think we can walk away from the first two rounds without a proven ILB. As much as I like Brown, we need a ILB. If Sanchez and Crabtree are both their we have a great opportunity to trade down and still take Maualuga or Maybin and I can't see us passing on a safety in round two if the best in the draft are still available.

    Can we get Bart Scott and not have to draft for need at ILB? Do the new coaches think they can remake Wimbley? Are we going to keep Jones and not have to draft fro need at Safety? Are we going to release Lewis creating a need at RB? Is DA going to be traded for picks? and which of our own FAs are we going to resign? Is Tucker healthy or will he be 100% for camp? There are so many questions that need answered before we can seriously look at the draft.

    But, I still think Curry will be there. If not, I'd rather trade down a few spots and take Rey (if we don't sign a FA ILB).

  • McShay's a fking Moron!!

  • If Crabtree is still there at 5, I would love to see Philly come calling. Fifth for 21st and 29th sounds good to me...not sure how that would grade out on that draft pick trading scale that they have, but we could prolly even get more than that. Top it off w/our pick at 36 and your talking about impact players at three positions immediately. And if for some crazy reason we are actually able to pull off some miracle trade w/our major trade asset, DA, this new regime could really put their stamp on things.

  • I hate these picks for us. Brown scares the crap out of me (not just because he's another top 5 Brown) because I just don't think he's a top 5 talent.

    I have to think Crabtree is a better fit, money-wise, especially with BE coming up on FA in 2010.

    And ANOTHER mock with us taking ANOTHER edit: 2nd round corner? Um, we have one of those, his name is Eric Wright.

    Man, I hate seeing Curry go top 3. Curse you again, Alo! You've infected me with your vile Curry fever!

  • Not Diggin those Picks... What makes him think that Curry wouldn't increase our sack number?

  • LCDawgFan13L LCDawgFan13

    If that's the way the top 4 go, and Crabtree is still there, then I think they need to look at trading that pick. There are other receivers in this draft, none as great as Crabtree, but several that can fill our needs. And we need plenty more than one spot can give us. We can get an extra pick or two with Crabtree still there at 5. Let's try to fill multiple needs when the opportunity is there.

    @lcdawgfan13 said:

    If that's the way the top 4 go, and Crabtree is still there, then I think they need to look at trading that pick. There are other receivers in this draft, none as great as Crabtree, but several that can fill our needs. And we need plenty more than one spot can give us. We can get an extra pick or two with Crabtree still there at 5. Let's try to fill multiple needs when the opportunity is there.

    'Nuff said...I agree!!

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST

  • Oh, yeah. I think the best scenario is that Crabtree falls to us and some team comes calling. And if none of the deals are good enough, we end up with ...Michael Crabtree.

    That's what I'll be cheering for the instant the Lions are on the clock, because I wouldn't put taking Crabtree past any of the teams above us.

    He's the most sellable player. And I want to sell.

  • Sean Smith may end up playing safety in the pro's. He's definitely got the size (6'3", 210 lbs.) to do it.

  • This mock is terrible for all of the teams!

    Slow Ur Role Jabroni!

  • As YTBB said....FA will have a big impact on what we do with the draft....if we have to use it more for needs or more for just getting better players.

    I still think Curry is a better fit outside....which is fine...we need a OLB more than a ILB....IMO

    I agree on Smith, Al....he is a big guy...I think safety is where is is headed.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I'll throw my hat into Camp Curry-if-He's-There for the time being, until I have a chance to look more at the guys coming out. Failing that, Crabtree is a talent that can definitely help the team either as a player or as trade bait. Failing that, I like the idea of drafting a RT, but I'm more than a little concerned about having two really young players at the corners of the line. Thomas had a great rookie year, but then backslid considerably in year two. I'd hate to see Thomas and (insert RT here) become the offense's version of Wright and McDonald who, while neither was the worst at their position in the league by any stretch, seemed at times like guys thrust into their jobs too soon.

    Dennis

  • You don't have to worry about that...Thomas is as good as they get....get a guy like Andre Smith on the other edge and we could dominate on O.

    That would allow BQ to be all that he can be.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I disagree that Schafer is all that good....he is OK..Smith is a huge upgrade...assuming he pans out....but we will just assume anybody we talk about pans out...we aren't throwing around names of guys who aren't at the top of all the lists.

    I do agree on our DBs...I don't have a real issue there...at least the corners.

    It just boils down to how we as fans view the draft.....some want it to address needs....some want the best players we can get.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I believe the #1 priority for this team is to get better at LB. And, I mean a hell of a lot better. But, Center is definately a position of need. Hadnot is a better center then guard and would be okay between Steinbach and Tucker, but he isn't the long term answer. We do need an upgrade from Fraley. Fraley is a great team player and great in the locker room, but his best days are gone.

    As far a DBs I don't think we are in very good shape. Holly is a FA. You know that signing a FA is a two way street, so it isn't a lock we keep him. Jones is a FA and I don't know if I want to keep him for what he wants paid. Worse comes to worse you can tag him for one year. Adams is a FA. Not really a starter but a good backup and also a very good special teams player. Cousins sucks and should have been let go about mid season. We never got to find out about Daniels. Seems he got caught up in the Savage vs RAC power struggle. I'd like to see him with a full preseason under him. He was a decent DB in Miami and can play corner or safety.

    We do need to sign Holly and get a 4th corner. We do need to address the safety position. You look at the successful 3-4 teams, they all have a very active, athletic, hard hitting SS.

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