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  • I'm not in love with Sammy Watkins at 4 really. I'd rather see Mack or clowney at 4 considering how deep this draft is supposed to be at receiver.

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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    This isn't really to you mik, or anyone in particular, it's just an observation I've made about the draft in general.

    There are so many people that keep saying that drafting this guy at this spot would be a reach or taking so-and-so 5 spots before his supposed draft slot would be reaching.

    The point is... Say you like a guy and want to draft him. You hold the 8th pick - the guy you want is not seen as a top ten pick, but he will be gone by the 20th pick. If you cannot find a trade partner to drop some and then pick him up, you either take him when you have the chance to do so or he will be gone by the next time you are on the clock.

    By this, most teams hold only one first round draft pick, so if there is a player that is a first round talent and he'll be gone by your next pick in the second - There is no way that that is a reach.

    Just an observation. Take the players you want when you have the chance to do it.

    @poeticg said:

    This isn't really to you mik, or anyone in particular, it's just an observation I've made about the draft in general.

    There are so many people that keep saying that drafting this guy at this spot would be a reach or taking so-and-so 5 spots before his supposed draft slot would be reaching.

    The point is... Say you like a guy and want to draft him. You hold the 8th pick - the guy you want is not seen as a top ten pick, but he will be gone by the 20th pick. If you cannot find a trade partner to drop some and then pick him up, you either take him when you have the chance to do so or he will be gone by the next time you are on the clock.

    By this, most teams hold only one first round draft pick, so if there is a player that is a first round talent and he'll be gone by your next pick in the second - There is no way that that is a reach.

    Just an observation. Take the players you want when you have the chance to do it.

    You make a good point. "BPA" is definitely subjective. Teams should feel no problem taking the player they want, but if they feel the risk is worth trading down and maybe missing out on a guy is worth the return you get for trading down + still getting a 1st round pick and having another one, that's not too bad either.

  • I cannot believe all the love Evans is getting at #4...

    If you look in the dictionary under "one-dimensional-WR" there's a pic of Mike Evans.

    There are four elite players in this draft... and Evans ain't one of them..

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I cannot believe all the love Evans is getting at #4...

    If you look in the dictionary under "one-dimensional-WR" there's a pic of Mike Evans.

    There are four elite players in this draft... and Evans ain't one of them..

    @tour2ma said:

    I cannot believe all the love Evans is getting at #4...

    If you look in the dictionary under "one-dimensional-WR" there's a pic of Mike Evans.

    There are four elite players in this draft... and Evans ain't one of them..

    Evans isn't a bad option if the only elite player left is a LT. You don't want to tie first round money into a RT. Having 3 6'3"+ guys on the field at the same time in Evans, Gordon, and Cameron..someone is gonna have a mismatch. I want Watkins over Evans as well but I'm not really sure we'd regret taking Evans. I don't get you calling Mike Evans one dimensional, he's a 6'5" guy who is an above-average athlete for his height, and has good hands...sounds like the sky is the limit for a guy like that, especially with guys like Ben Tate, Gordon, and Cameron taking attention from him.

  • D dab7291993

    @tour2ma said:

    I cannot believe all the love Evans is getting at #4...

    If you look in the dictionary under "one-dimensional-WR" there's a pic of Mike Evans.

    There are four elite players in this draft... and Evans ain't one of them..

    Evans isn't a bad option if the only elite player left is a LT. You don't want to tie first round money into a RT. Having 3 6'3"+ guys on the field at the same time in Evans, Gordon, and Cameron..someone is gonna have a mismatch. I want Watkins over Evans as well but I'm not really sure we'd regret taking Evans. I don't get you calling Mike Evans one dimensional, he's a 6'5" guy who is an above-average athlete for his height, and has good hands...sounds like the sky is the limit for a guy like that, especially with guys like Ben Tate, Gordon, and Cameron taking attention from him.

    @dab7291993 said:

    I don't get you calling Mike Evans one dimensional, he's a 6'5" guy who is an above-average athlete for his height, and has good hands...sounds like the sky is the limit for a guy like that, especially with guys like Ben Tate, Gordon, and Cameron taking attention from him.

    I understand I am way out on a very lonely limb here, but I've watched a good deal of tape on the 2013 Ags and breakdown tape on their big three: Manziel, Evans and Mathews.

    I like Jake most of all and think he is the best tackle in the draft. While I am not a JF fan, at least I get the JF attraction... I think it's fools gold, but I get it. On the other hand, I totally do not get the Evans attraction for the next level.

    Evans fears going over the middle... has a bad case of gator arms... and will lead the league in Offensive Pass interference.

    His one-dimension is as follows:

    He pushes off... runs fly patterns (occasionally pulling up for a hook)... then pushes off... and jumps.

    Two of those four things are illegal in the NFL.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dab7291993 said:

    I don't get you calling Mike Evans one dimensional, he's a 6'5" guy who is an above-average athlete for his height, and has good hands...sounds like the sky is the limit for a guy like that, especially with guys like Ben Tate, Gordon, and Cameron taking attention from him.

    I understand I am way out on a very lonely limb here, but I've watched a good deal of tape on the 2013 Ags and breakdown tape on their big three: Manziel, Evans and Mathews.

    I like Jake most of all and think he is the best tackle in the draft. While I am not a JF fan, at least I get the JF attraction... I think it's fools gold, but I get it. On the other hand, I totally do not get the Evans attraction for the next level.

    Evans fears going over the middle... has a bad case of gator arms... and will lead the league in Offensive Pass interference.

    His one-dimension is as follows:

    He pushes off... runs fly patterns (occasionally pulling up for a hook)... then pushes off... and jumps.

    Two of those four things are illegal in the NFL.

    @tour2ma said:

    I understand I am way out on a very lonely limb here, but I've watched a good deal of tape on the 2013 Ags and breakdown tape on their big three: Manziel, Evans and Mathews.

    I like Jake most of all and think he is the best tackle in the draft. While I am not a JF fan, at least I get the JF attraction... I think it's fools gold, but I get it. On the other hand, I totally do not get the Evans attraction for the next level.

    Evans fears going over the middle... has a bad case of gator arms... and will lead the league in Offensive Pass interference.

    His one-dimension is as follows:

    He pushes off... runs fly patterns (occasionally pulling up for a hook)... then pushes off... and jumps.

    Two of those four things are illegal in the NFL.

    I think Evans is the second biggest boom or bust candidate behind Manziel. Evans has the physical attributes but is far from a complete WR. I can't guarantee either of their careers but I can guarantee this A&M team/prospects will make for a hell of a 30 for 30 in about 20 years.

  • Gordon was very far from being a complete receiver too. Cameron didn't hit right away either.

    Obviously receivers need work, very few are complete WR's coming into the NFL, it's up to coaching to make that happen.

    Evans doesn't have to go over the middle and I'm pretty sure he'll adjust. Watkins would be great, but Evans is not a bad consolation prize.

  • I figured this was going to get made at some point today. Hopefully it keeps things a little more organized throughout the next 3 days.

    With that said, NFL on ESPN just tweeted that the Texans are locked into a player at #1 and will not be trading out of the spot, so don't expect any big shake-ups with the first pick tonight. They haven't announced who that player is, though. Suspense is better for ratings.

  • More and more mocks on ESPN and NFL Network seem to be closing in on:

    1. Clowney

    2. Robinson

    3. Mack

    4. Watkins

    With nary an trade to be found...

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  • I think they will go takle at 4. I'm not sure they are sold on the production of Watkins or any other receiver in his first year.

  • IF the Falcons do trade up to 4 with us (and we move back to 6), else would we have to get from them?

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  • McShay was talking trade down to 9 and take Johnny.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy

    IF the Falcons do trade up to 4 with us (and we move back to 6), else would we have to get from them?

    @cvcanedy said:

    IF the Falcons do trade up to 4 with us (and we move back to 6), else would we have to get from them?

    much of that talk has been centered around mack. If he's there, expect a second. Otherwise, I think we'd rather take him than give him away for anything less...
  • Browns149B Browns149

    McShay was talking trade down to 9 and take Johnny.

    @browns149 said:

    McShay was talking trade down to 9 and take Johnny.

    id like it but you may lose him to the Bucs. I seriously think Gilbert is the target in the event of a trade down.

  • Did I just read that we will trade our 2nd rounder for Cousins? Will they announce that tonight if it happens.

  • Just saw on NFL Network that the Falcons are content and are probably staying at 6 (unless someone blows them away, of course). They mentioned that the GM said they are going Mack/Clowney or one of the top 3 LT's.

  • I would drive to Cleveland just to be the first to slap Farmer in the jaw.

  • They would probably wait to announce it until tomorrow. Where did you read that?

  • on this forum.

  • Who do we take ?!!

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