Justin Gilbert
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Ya, everyone is forgetting that next to Beckham and Watkins, he is the best return man in the draft. Last year we got fucked when Benjamin went down. We didn't have anyone to return the ball. Now we have Benjamin, Hawkins, and Gilbert.
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Until They got Manziel, I hated it too! I thought it was a HUGE reach, for a guy who wasn't even the consensus best CB in the draft! At this point (#4), everything had fallen into place to take Watkins who isn't a gamble, who WOULD start day one and give the team a huge boost!
But, in the end, I'm wrong because this Front Office proved they knew what they were doing getting a #1 next year, and getting the best QB in the draft (My opinion, you don't have to agree or even like it). Instead of not giving a $%^& about the rest of the draft and really next season, now I'm fired up to see who they pick the rest of the way out!
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Soju your such a big fucking crybaby. How do you enjoy living such a negative, pessimistic existence? You must be fucking miserable.
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Couldn't be more wrong. This is a great pick. #2 CB was our 2nd biggest need, and when you're talking about playing against Roethlisberger, Dalton, and Flacco twice a year, you need to have two great CBs to prevent those guys from shreading you. Having two great man coverage CBs also allows you to bring extra blitzers, which we have plenty of...
The only bigger need was backup/developmental QB - and we got one of those as well. Kudos to Farmer and his team. I hope they keep it up...
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
I'm betting that's what the FO believes they have done at 22, just a hunch.
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
I'm betting that's what the FO believes they have done at 22, just a hunch.
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Joe Haden will be moved to #2 in the next two years.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
He's not even the best lock down CB in the draft. He's physical but a shut down corner like Haden is...he's just not. Should have grabbed Watkins, then jumped up to get Johnny, take Evans somehow then get Manziel.
Just do not like this Gilbert kid.
He's not even the best lock down CB in the draft. He's physical but a shut down corner like Haden is...he's just not. Should have grabbed Watkins, then jumped up to get Johnny, take Evans somehow then get Manziel.
Just do not like this Gilbert kid.
So you're not going to put the blinders on and say this is an awesome pick like everyone else on this homer board? Every move the Browns make is a smart, strategic move. If you disagree with that, Soju, you're a f* moron.
I'll be cool with the pick when Gilbert does well on the field. Noone knows how this will pan out, but he def wouldn't have been my first pick and I certainly wouldnt have traded up with Minn when they wouldn't have got him. I'm happy with our 1st round. Need to address WR and OL tonight.
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. Cality starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous.
So you're not going to put the blinders on and say this is an awesome pick like everyone else on this homer board? Every move the Browns make is a smart, strategic move. If you disagree with that, Soju, you're a f* moron.
I'll be cool with the pick when Gilbert does well on the field. Noone knows how this will pan out, but he def wouldn't have been my first pick and I certainly wouldnt have traded up with Minn when they wouldn't have got him. I'm happy with our 1st round. Need to address WR and OL tonight.
I don't think he is the best CB talent wise who was drafted that will play next season. I think in 3 years he will be the best CB from this draft. That is what you draft for. How good do you project this player to be 2-3 years down the road. Dennard, as it stands now, it most likely the most talented CB to be drafted who will play next season. I expect him to have a better rookie season on defense. However I also don't see him getting much better than what he currently is. I think he is just about maxed out as a player. He is going to be a solid starting CB with a few pro bowls under his belt if he is as good as we think he is right now. Gilbert on the other hand could see much better and be a year to year all pro in a few seasons and I think he can do that.
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
wrong.
after the top 3-4 prospects, the CBs fall off to 3rd round talent unlike WRs. everyone says this year's draft was/is so deep. yeah at WR. other than that tell me what position and what 'great' talent there is after the top 5 in any category.
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I would assume they chose Gilbert ahead of the others because they know what they're doing, namely Pettine, when it comes to CBs. Given the pick of the litter he chose Gilbert. He just so happens to be the guy I wanted as our first pick, but even if he wasn't, there comes a time when you have to put some faith in the person who's qualifications on this matter far outweigh your own.
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. Cality starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous.
So you're not going to put the blinders on and say this is an awesome pick like everyone else on this homer board? Every move the Browns make is a smart, strategic move. If you disagree with that, Soju, you're a f* moron.
I'll be cool with the pick when Gilbert does well on the field. Noone knows how this will pan out, but he def wouldn't have been my first pick and I certainly wouldnt have traded up with Minn when they wouldn't have got him. I'm happy with our 1st round. Need to address WR and OL tonight.
I don't think he is the best CB talent wise who was drafted that will play next season. I think in 3 years he will be the best CB from this draft. That is what you draft for. How good do you project this player to be 2-3 years down the road. Dennard, as it stands now, it most likely the most talented CB to be drafted who will play next season. I expect him to have a better rookie season on defense. However I also don't see him getting much better than what he currently is. I think he is just about maxed out as a player. He is going to be a solid starting CB with a few pro bowls under his belt if he is as good as we think he is right now. Gilbert on the other hand could see much better and be a year to year all pro in a few seasons and I think he can do that.
This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. Cality starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous.
I don't think he is the best CB talent wise who was drafted that will play next season. I think in 3 years he will be the best CB from this draft. That is what you draft for. How good do you project this player to be 2-3 years down the road. Dennard, as it stands now, it most likely the most talented CB to be drafted who will play next season. I expect him to have a better rookie season on defense. However I also don't see him getting much better than what he currently is. I think he is just about maxed out as a player. He is going to be a solid starting CB with a few pro bowls under his belt if he is as good as we think he is right now. Gilbert on the other hand could see much better and be a year to year all pro in a few seasons and I think he can do that.
Fair assessment, opinion. I hope it pans out that way, I truely do. But things usually don't work out the way we envision. He's a solid CB with alot of potential. A fair argument can be made he was a reach at 8th overall, but the fact we walk with the QB we wanted and the #1 and 4 from Buffalo in 2015, I'm happy and think Farmer did a great job.
Only time will tell, though. We need Gilbert to develop and produce on Hadens level. Anything less will be a dissapointment.
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I would assume they chose Gilbert ahead of the others because they know what they're doing, namely Pettine, when it comes to CBs. Given the pick of the litter he chose Gilbert. He just so happens to be the guy I wanted as our first pick, but even if he wasn't, there comes a time when you have to put some faith in the person who's qualifications on this matter far outweigh your own.
I would assume they chose Gilbert ahead of the others because they know what they're doing, namely Pettine, when it comes to CBs. Given the pick of the litter he chose Gilbert. He just so happens to be the guy I wanted as our first pick, but even if he wasn't, there comes a time when you have to put some faith in the person who's qualifications on this matter far outweigh your own.
+100000
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Bottom line. Even an excellent defense, which the browns might have if Gilbert lives up to a top ten talent, wears out if your offense goes 3&out EVERY SERIES. The Browns biggest need was an offensive weapon to keep the defense off the field. This was a very deep draft at CB, But again, I'm pumped now! I can't decide if you go with Lee or Xavier at #35......?
wrong.
after the top 3-4 prospects, the CBs fall off to 3rd round talent unlike WRs. everyone says this year's draft was/is so deep. yeah at WR. other than that tell me what position and what 'great' talent there is after the top 5 in any category.
wrong.
after the top 3-4 prospects, the CBs fall off to 3rd round talent unlike WRs. everyone says this year's draft was/is so deep. yeah at WR. other than that tell me what position and what 'great' talent there is after the top 5 in any category.
I'd only argue there's a much bigger difference between the talent level of the rest of WR And Watkins. Where the is much less a difference between Gilbert and the rest of the CBs. But hey, we got a an extra #1 next year!
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Joe Haden will be moved to #2 in the next two years.
Joe Haden will be moved to #2 in the next two years.
Given Haden aging and Gilbert developing I can see this...
Agree...This draft is no where nearly as deep at CB as it is at WR. (Quality) starting CB are pretty much gone at this point, there are still 4-5 good WR's still on the board. The difference between the 1st wave of WR to the 2nd, compared to the 1st and 2nd wave of CB, is staggeringly different. There are like 1, maybe two, fringe top CB guys left, then the drop off after them is just ridiculous.
WRs being deeper than CBs is pretty much the case every year. We got the best prospect, not the most polished CB.
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Soju do you watch football games? If I hear "we shoulda took Sammy" one more time im coming im coming to where you live and carving I
Pittsburgh into your dense forehead.First of all, did you notice how no one had to throw at Joe Haden all year and teams were able to torch us even though our front seven were in the QBs face all year?
We didnt have any LBs that could cover and no other CBs to speak of. Remember when Joe Haden was out with the adderall suspension and we played 10 yards off of receivers and were the joke of the league? We have needed a number 2 corner (arguably a third corner too) FOR YEARS. Not only does Farmer go out and get for sure A TOP 2 CB in the draft, he gets a first round pick out of the deal!
Secondly, do you watch free agency or do you prefer to be ignorant? National media pundits are raving about how Andrew Hawkins (yeah that one that torched us) is uncoverable (another great signing by this front office). To review our WRs right now are :Josh Gordon, Greg Little, Hawkins, Travis Benjamin. Not to mention we added Ben Tate and have a Pro Bowl TE. Our receiving corps is honestly is better than half the teams in the NFL or better and we should sit on our dicks in the secondary?
Another WR is about our 5th priority in this draft (after QB, CB, MLB, OG). PLEASE jump off the Browns now if you hate the pick, I beg you. Yesterday was the most defining day in browns history since we got Jim Brown. Mark my words.
Also, when I have to agree with miktoxic more that once a day I question my entire life. Soju, youre pushing me right now.
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