Gordon is out for year. damnit.
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Below is a repost of something that was written last year when Banner was trying to trade Josh Gordon. It seems to revolve around the fact that the codeine may have been Gordons first strike in Stage 2 of the program. Apparently you are allowed TWO fails in stage two before being pushed to stage 3. Both fails in stage to result in 4 game suspensions , its a failure in stage 3 that gets you a year. Take it for what its worth as its not my personal research.
There are three ways to get placed into the NFL drug treatment program.
1. Testing positive: This is self explanatory.
2. Behavioral: A player having off-the-field issues dealing with alcohol and drugs. This is probably the most likely scenario in which Gordon was entered into the program. With his off the field issues at Baylor and Utah, this seems like a slam dunk. But remember, positive tests in college DO NOT count towards positive tests in the NFL.
3. Self-Referral: A player who requests that he be entered into the program (Never heard of anyone doing this).
A player can then remain in stage 1 for up to six months, but that can be extended for certain situations. There is no way of knowing if Gordon slipped in this stage or if the window was extended by the medical director.
Here is where it gets tricky. The medical director can advise the NFL to advance a player into stage 2, simply on their recommendation (bottom of page 14 here). So a player, such as Josh Gordon, can be entered into the drug program, and elevated to stage 2 with zero positive tests. Granted, smoking a ton of weed in college doesn't help, but it can be done. Players are then in stage 2 for 24 months or two football seasons, whichever is shorter.
Let's assume that this is what happened to Gordon.
He THEN tests positive for codeine and is flagged by the NFL. This means he has a positive test in stage 2. The punishment outlined for the first positive test in stage two is the following:
1. A fine of 4/17ths of the players salary (or we know it as four weeks pay)
2. Suspension of four consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
Now Gordon had his four game suspension knocked down to two and was fined four game checks. Getting the suspension knocked down to two games is no small feat, mind you. This is a very important development. Players have been turned down on appeals even though they had prescriptions, like Hollis Thomas. Hell, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams had to go to Federal Court to get their four-game suspensions knocked down to two. So yes, the reduced sentence does show that Gordon may be telling the truth when he says that he was taking medicine and that the NFL believed what he was telling them.
This seems as if it was his FIRST positive test in stage 2.
Here is where people are getting confused. People assume that a positive test in stage 2 automatically means that the player is then dumped into stage 3 which could carry the season long ban we keep hearing about.
But that's not true.
Players are allowed TWO positive tests in stage 2, or one positive test in stage 2 and one instance in which the player failed to comply with the program. (what that means I have no idea, but we haven't heard anything of the sort when it comes to Gordon). A second positive test would then mean:
1. A fine of 4/17ths to 6/17ths of the players salary (or as we know it as four to six weeks pay)
2. A suspension of four to six consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
If a player tests positive twice in stage 2 within a 2 year window, that player is then dropped into stage 3, the stage in which everyone assumes Josh Gordon is in.
As you saw earlier, I asked Greg Aiello, head of NFL PR and media question answer mogul, if we could find out a way to see what stage Josh Gordon was in. The NFL keeps this stuff under a tight lock and key (just go back and see how angry the league was when Josh Freeman's inclusion in the program was leaked).
There are tons and tons of pages written on this, and even after reading through it, I am not even sure I understand it. This is my best guess. For all I know, Gordon screwed up his program once before his test, but that is a large assumption to make off of "I think so" from him in September. There is a chance that even Josh Gordon isn't 100% sure.
When you look at the "evidence" of Gordon being in stage 3 vs. stage 2 (the lone suspension, the reduced amount of games, and the four-game fine), I tend to believe that Gordon is on his last strike of stage 2. If he tests positive again or screws up the program, he could be suspended again and then dropped into stage 3, which he would face a season-long ban.
Below is a repost of something that was written last year when Banner was trying to trade Josh Gordon. It seems to revolve around the fact that the codeine may have been Gordons first strike in Stage 2 of the program. Apparently you are allowed TWO fails in stage two before being pushed to stage 3. Both fails in stage to result in 4 game suspensions , its a failure in stage 3 that gets you a year. Take it for what its worth as its not my personal research.
There are three ways to get placed into the NFL drug treatment program.
1. Testing positive: This is self explanatory.
2. Behavioral: A player having off-the-field issues dealing with alcohol and drugs. This is probably the most likely scenario in which Gordon was entered into the program. With his off the field issues at Baylor and Utah, this seems like a slam dunk. But remember, positive tests in college DO NOT count towards positive tests in the NFL.
3. Self-Referral: A player who requests that he be entered into the program (Never heard of anyone doing this).
A player can then remain in stage 1 for up to six months, but that can be extended for certain situations. There is no way of knowing if Gordon slipped in this stage or if the window was extended by the medical director.
Here is where it gets tricky. The medical director can advise the NFL to advance a player into stage 2, simply on their recommendation (bottom of page 14 here). So a player, such as Josh Gordon, can be entered into the drug program, and elevated to stage 2 with zero positive tests. Granted, smoking a ton of weed in college doesn't help, but it can be done. Players are then in stage 2 for 24 months or two football seasons, whichever is shorter.
Let's assume that this is what happened to Gordon.
He THEN tests positive for codeine and is flagged by the NFL. This means he has a positive test in stage 2. The punishment outlined for the first positive test in stage two is the following:
1. A fine of 4/17ths of the players salary (or we know it as four weeks pay)
2. Suspension of four consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
Now Gordon had his four game suspension knocked down to two and was fined four game checks. Getting the suspension knocked down to two games is no small feat, mind you. This is a very important development. Players have been turned down on appeals even though they had prescriptions, like Hollis Thomas. Hell, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams had to go to Federal Court to get their four-game suspensions knocked down to two. So yes, the reduced sentence does show that Gordon may be telling the truth when he says that he was taking medicine and that the NFL believed what he was telling them.
This seems as if it was his FIRST positive test in stage 2.
Here is where people are getting confused. People assume that a positive test in stage 2 automatically means that the player is then dumped into stage 3 which could carry the season long ban we keep hearing about.
But that's not true.
Players are allowed TWO positive tests in stage 2, or one positive test in stage 2 and one instance in which the player failed to comply with the program. (what that means I have no idea, but we haven't heard anything of the sort when it comes to Gordon). A second positive test would then mean:
1. A fine of 4/17ths to 6/17ths of the players salary (or as we know it as four to six weeks pay)
2. A suspension of four to six consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
If a player tests positive twice in stage 2 within a 2 year window, that player is then dropped into stage 3, the stage in which everyone assumes Josh Gordon is in.
As you saw earlier, I asked Greg Aiello, head of NFL PR and media question answer mogul, if we could find out a way to see what stage Josh Gordon was in. The NFL keeps this stuff under a tight lock and key (just go back and see how angry the league was when Josh Freeman's inclusion in the program was leaked).
There are tons and tons of pages written on this, and even after reading through it, I am not even sure I understand it. This is my best guess. For all I know, Gordon screwed up his program once before his test, but that is a large assumption to make off of "I think so" from him in September. There is a chance that even Josh Gordon isn't 100% sure.
When you look at the "evidence" of Gordon being in stage 3 vs. stage 2 (the lone suspension, the reduced amount of games, and the four-game fine), I tend to believe that Gordon is on his last strike of stage 2. If he tests positive again or screws up the program, he could be suspended again and then dropped into stage 3, which he would face a season-long ban.
I hope you are right.
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Below is a repost of something that was written last year when Banner was trying to trade Josh Gordon. It seems to revolve around the fact that the codeine may have been Gordons first strike in Stage 2 of the program. Apparently you are allowed TWO fails in stage two before being pushed to stage 3. Both fails in stage to result in 4 game suspensions , its a failure in stage 3 that gets you a year. Take it for what its worth as its not my personal research.
There are three ways to get placed into the NFL drug treatment program.
1. Testing positive: This is self explanatory.
2. Behavioral: A player having off-the-field issues dealing with alcohol and drugs. This is probably the most likely scenario in which Gordon was entered into the program. With his off the field issues at Baylor and Utah, this seems like a slam dunk. But remember, positive tests in college DO NOT count towards positive tests in the NFL.
3. Self-Referral: A player who requests that he be entered into the program (Never heard of anyone doing this).
A player can then remain in stage 1 for up to six months, but that can be extended for certain situations. There is no way of knowing if Gordon slipped in this stage or if the window was extended by the medical director.
Here is where it gets tricky. The medical director can advise the NFL to advance a player into stage 2, simply on their recommendation (bottom of page 14 here). So a player, such as Josh Gordon, can be entered into the drug program, and elevated to stage 2 with zero positive tests. Granted, smoking a ton of weed in college doesn't help, but it can be done. Players are then in stage 2 for 24 months or two football seasons, whichever is shorter.
Let's assume that this is what happened to Gordon.
He THEN tests positive for codeine and is flagged by the NFL. This means he has a positive test in stage 2. The punishment outlined for the first positive test in stage two is the following:
1. A fine of 4/17ths of the players salary (or we know it as four weeks pay)
2. Suspension of four consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
Now Gordon had his four game suspension knocked down to two and was fined four game checks. Getting the suspension knocked down to two games is no small feat, mind you. This is a very important development. Players have been turned down on appeals even though they had prescriptions, like Hollis Thomas. Hell, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams had to go to Federal Court to get their four-game suspensions knocked down to two. So yes, the reduced sentence does show that Gordon may be telling the truth when he says that he was taking medicine and that the NFL believed what he was telling them.
This seems as if it was his FIRST positive test in stage 2.
Here is where people are getting confused. People assume that a positive test in stage 2 automatically means that the player is then dumped into stage 3 which could carry the season long ban we keep hearing about.
But that's not true.
Players are allowed TWO positive tests in stage 2, or one positive test in stage 2 and one instance in which the player failed to comply with the program. (what that means I have no idea, but we haven't heard anything of the sort when it comes to Gordon). A second positive test would then mean:
1. A fine of 4/17ths to 6/17ths of the players salary (or as we know it as four to six weeks pay)
2. A suspension of four to six consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
If a player tests positive twice in stage 2 within a 2 year window, that player is then dropped into stage 3, the stage in which everyone assumes Josh Gordon is in.
As you saw earlier, I asked Greg Aiello, head of NFL PR and media question answer mogul, if we could find out a way to see what stage Josh Gordon was in. The NFL keeps this stuff under a tight lock and key (just go back and see how angry the league was when Josh Freeman's inclusion in the program was leaked).
There are tons and tons of pages written on this, and even after reading through it, I am not even sure I understand it. This is my best guess. For all I know, Gordon screwed up his program once before his test, but that is a large assumption to make off of "I think so" from him in September. There is a chance that even Josh Gordon isn't 100% sure.
When you look at the "evidence" of Gordon being in stage 3 vs. stage 2 (the lone suspension, the reduced amount of games, and the four-game fine), I tend to believe that Gordon is on his last strike of stage 2. If he tests positive again or screws up the program, he could be suspended again and then dropped into stage 3, which he would face a season-long ban.
Below is a repost of something that was written last year when Banner was trying to trade Josh Gordon. It seems to revolve around the fact that the codeine may have been Gordons first strike in Stage 2 of the program. Apparently you are allowed TWO fails in stage two before being pushed to stage 3. Both fails in stage to result in 4 game suspensions , its a failure in stage 3 that gets you a year. Take it for what its worth as its not my personal research.
There are three ways to get placed into the NFL drug treatment program.
1. Testing positive: This is self explanatory.
2. Behavioral: A player having off-the-field issues dealing with alcohol and drugs. This is probably the most likely scenario in which Gordon was entered into the program. With his off the field issues at Baylor and Utah, this seems like a slam dunk. But remember, positive tests in college DO NOT count towards positive tests in the NFL.
3. Self-Referral: A player who requests that he be entered into the program (Never heard of anyone doing this).
A player can then remain in stage 1 for up to six months, but that can be extended for certain situations. There is no way of knowing if Gordon slipped in this stage or if the window was extended by the medical director.
Here is where it gets tricky. The medical director can advise the NFL to advance a player into stage 2, simply on their recommendation (bottom of page 14 here). So a player, such as Josh Gordon, can be entered into the drug program, and elevated to stage 2 with zero positive tests. Granted, smoking a ton of weed in college doesn't help, but it can be done. Players are then in stage 2 for 24 months or two football seasons, whichever is shorter.
Let's assume that this is what happened to Gordon.
He THEN tests positive for codeine and is flagged by the NFL. This means he has a positive test in stage 2. The punishment outlined for the first positive test in stage two is the following:
1. A fine of 4/17ths of the players salary (or we know it as four weeks pay)
2. Suspension of four consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
Now Gordon had his four game suspension knocked down to two and was fined four game checks. Getting the suspension knocked down to two games is no small feat, mind you. This is a very important development. Players have been turned down on appeals even though they had prescriptions, like Hollis Thomas. Hell, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams had to go to Federal Court to get their four-game suspensions knocked down to two. So yes, the reduced sentence does show that Gordon may be telling the truth when he says that he was taking medicine and that the NFL believed what he was telling them.
This seems as if it was his FIRST positive test in stage 2.
Here is where people are getting confused. People assume that a positive test in stage 2 automatically means that the player is then dumped into stage 3 which could carry the season long ban we keep hearing about.
But that's not true.
Players are allowed TWO positive tests in stage 2, or one positive test in stage 2 and one instance in which the player failed to comply with the program. (what that means I have no idea, but we haven't heard anything of the sort when it comes to Gordon). A second positive test would then mean:
1. A fine of 4/17ths to 6/17ths of the players salary (or as we know it as four to six weeks pay)
2. A suspension of four to six consecutive regular season and postseason games, including Pro Bowl if elected.
If a player tests positive twice in stage 2 within a 2 year window, that player is then dropped into stage 3, the stage in which everyone assumes Josh Gordon is in.
As you saw earlier, I asked Greg Aiello, head of NFL PR and media question answer mogul, if we could find out a way to see what stage Josh Gordon was in. The NFL keeps this stuff under a tight lock and key (just go back and see how angry the league was when Josh Freeman's inclusion in the program was leaked).
There are tons and tons of pages written on this, and even after reading through it, I am not even sure I understand it. This is my best guess. For all I know, Gordon screwed up his program once before his test, but that is a large assumption to make off of "I think so" from him in September. There is a chance that even Josh Gordon isn't 100% sure.
When you look at the "evidence" of Gordon being in stage 3 vs. stage 2 (the lone suspension, the reduced amount of games, and the four-game fine), I tend to believe that Gordon is on his last strike of stage 2. If he tests positive again or screws up the program, he could be suspended again and then dropped into stage 3, which he would face a season-long ban.
I'd put money up he dont play in 2014. Unless JF catches us a break. That I can see.
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nobody said it's easy being a Browns fan but it will make a man out of you
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God I hope you are correct. That is VERY GOOD sleuthing by the way!!
The actions of the Front Office seems to follow that you are right.. The fact that we kept Little, means that Gordon will once again take the suspension at the top of the season.... Could be a long 6 weeks if our recievers our anywhere as shitty as they were last year(outside of our tight ends)....
RUNNING GAME?? That's why the OT at the top of the 2nd and probably Running Back at the top of the 3rd?? That would tell the tale right there wouldn't it?
If we go RB at the top of the 3rd, that is circumstancial proof that Gordon will be back next year.
BobPound!
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Can't afford to eat a roster spot, when it could be given to someone who contributes. Not to mention, he would be due for a contract extension in the future. I just don't see it. I'm just trying to look at it realistically. Not trying to be pessimistic etc. Just my opinion on how i see the situation.Why release him? Fantastic idea.....smh.
Problem or not, someone will take a chance on him, and I for one would rather be the team that rehabilitates him rather than watch him get his shit together for someone else.
Otherwise, he pisses hot again and gets the perma ban.
Good news is rosenhaus lost a lot of bargaining chips, so we don't have to pay him ungodly money.
Relax....deep breath. The sun will come up tomorrow.
Well, perhaps you should consider a suspended player does NOT count as a roster spot. So, moot point.Can't afford to eat a roster spot, when it could be given to someone who contributes. Not to mention, he would be due for a contract extension in the future. I just don't see it. I'm just trying to look at it realistically. Not trying to be pessimistic etc. Just my opinion on how i see the situation.
The extension is now much much smaller....if he gets there.....moot point.
Anything else?
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student meet teacher
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Well, perhaps you should consider a suspended player does NOT count as a roster spot. So, moot point.Can't afford to eat a roster spot, when it could be given to someone who contributes. Not to mention, he would be due for a contract extension in the future. I just don't see it. I'm just trying to look at it realistically. Not trying to be pessimistic etc. Just my opinion on how i see the situation.
The extension is now much much smaller....if he gets there.....moot point.
Anything else?
Well, perhaps you should consider a suspended player does NOT count as a roster spot. So, moot point.
The extension is now much much smaller....if he gets there.....moot point.
Anything else?
Good call. I didn't think about that. I forgot that a suspended player gets replaced on the roster.
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Doesn't make sense to me. You are about to be one of the top 2 or 3 WRs in the league and the team is being built up to win.
If the drug isn't addictive how can you not stop when you have millions on the line. I don't get it.
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i just can't agree. There are plenty of people who'd like to smoke weed but don't? Why? Because they value their careers. Those same people man up to support their families and their peers who depend on them. If I was Josh Gordon's team mate I'd kick his damned ass.Because life goes on no matter how much or little money one makes.
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There are some people on this board that think that losing Gordon isn't the end of the world.... while I might agree that it isn't the END of the world, You MUST realize that if it wasn't for Gordon, we wouldn't have scored a touchdown for the last 11 games of the season... maybe not even enter the Redzone for that matter.. this IS a big deal....
What a waste of talent.. classic schmoseby
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This just maximizes trading out of the top ten receiver range. If our defense can't win us games, people are gonna flip about not taking Sammy or Evans..especially if they both pan out.
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I am still in disbelief.
It is ridiculous how fast good hopes and vibes in Cleveland can be dashed.
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There are some people on this board that think that losing Gordon isn't the end of the world.... while I might agree that it isn't the END of the world, You MUST realize that if it wasn't for Gordon, we wouldn't have scored a touchdown for the last 11 games of the season... maybe not even enter the Redzone for that matter.. this IS a big deal....
What a waste of talent.. classic schmoseby
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I have literally never been more excited about browns football. They are truly cursed. This is the most odd timing for this to come out. Im waiting for the final word before I say anything else.
@mike-h said:
Should have picked Watkins
Duh, there were those faint voices crying out in the Wilderness, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy..... Seems to have gotten drowned out by Manziel Mania. But don't worry- with that first round pick we got from the Bills, we can draft our #1 WR in 2015, or even better get Marriotta or Winston after JF get his knee blown out and the Browns have the first pick in the 2015 draft. Just keeping it real.
I have literally never been more excited about browns football. They are truly cursed. This is the most odd timing for this to come out. Im waiting for the final word before I say anything else.
If Farmer knew Josh was going to get suspended and passed on numerous wrs he's a shithead.
Feel bad for you guys. I don't understand how someone can be so fvcking dumb. You are a professional athlete on your last strike and you get flagged for pot? The reality is pot should be legal and its pretty damn harmless but for now its illegal. What an idiot.
Thanks V. Show a little restraint kid. Keep going the way you were in the NFL, and you could have bought a pot ranch in Colorado with all that loot after you retired.
How can you be any more deflated? You're the most down person on the board. Maybe you need some antidepressants.
I needed a heavy dose after they took Manziel- this one is just icing on the cake.
i just can't agree. There are plenty of people who'd like to smoke weed but don't? Why? Because they value their careers. Those same people man up to support their families and their peers who depend on them. If I was Josh Gordon's team mate I'd kick his damned ass.
I don't make 5% of the money most NFL players make- but I don't do weed or other illegal stuff. Why? Because I'd get fired on the spot if I tested positive. Obviously Gordon has an addiction problem- and if you reach that point, you just don't care- regardless of the consequences.
@mike-h said:
Curse is real.
Believe it Mike- know any Witch Doctors to break the spell? Well wait until next year. The problem is- some of us here are rapidly running out of next years. And It's one of the reasons I wanted Watkins.
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Gordon isn't a complete idiot... wondering if he is just disregarding the testing altogether as some kind of personal protest? Although that'd be pretty fuckin dumb in it's own right...
I also wonder if his contract runs concurrent with the ban.. remember it's not a suspension he's kicked out of the league.
Or if he's reinstated in 2015 does his contract pick back up in 15 for his 14 salary?
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
This totally sux and kills the draft. Id like know if browns knew this why did they pass on watkins?
This totally sux and kills the draft. Id like know if browns knew this why did they pass on watkins?
Beacuse they had a draft plan and plan to build the team and weren't going to allow this to cause them to make knee jerk reactions.
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Smoke 'um if you got 'um.
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Gordon isn't a complete idiot... wondering if he is just disregarding the testing altogether as some kind of personal protest? Although that'd be pretty fuckin dumb in it's own right...
I also wonder if his contract runs concurrent with the ban.. remember it's not a suspension he's kicked out of the league.
Or if he's reinstated in 2015 does his contract pick back up in 15 for his 14 salary?
Gordon isn't a complete idiot... wondering if he is just disregarding the testing altogether as some kind of personal protest? Although that'd be pretty fuckin dumb in it's own right...
I also wonder if his contract runs concurrent with the ban.. remember it's not a suspension he's kicked out of the league.
Or if he's reinstated in 2015 does his contract pick back up in 15 for his 14 salary?
I believe his contract is void for the year and he would get picked back up for his final year of the contract, I do not believe there would be a 1 year gap giving him two years left on the contract.
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