Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I think for sure Manziel is the next star QB in the NFL. The Browns are in for a decade of brilliance.
you Manziel fans sound so sure...you share his confidence. it's not even optimism, more belief and faith.
Browns fans are hopeful, but still justifiably-gun-shy burn-victim realists. sorry, just sounds too good to be true.
apprehension. disbelief. mistrust. skepticism. curse you! curse! doh!
you Manziel fans sound so sure...you share his confidence. it's not even optimism, more belief and faith.
Browns fans are hopeful, but still justifiably-gun-shy burn-victim realists. sorry, just sounds too good to be true.
apprehension. disbelief. mistrust. skepticism. curse you! curse! doh!
Exactly There's a huge influx of JF fans- NOT Browns fans mind you. They would have been extolling Johnny's greatness regardless of which team selected him.
We've been burned far too many times to not be skeptics- hell even the Browns FO is taking a huge risk on the guy.
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Hell, even Tebow made the playoffs
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How many more months of JF lovers? Ugh. Now some assume we don't know college football? Or the JF hate is politically based?
Yeah, SEC fans are awful and the conference is overrated. The teams benefit from SEC ratings bias, over signing, shady recruiting, immoral roster management, etc.
Yeah JF took money in college and should have been suspended. Dez Bryant is shaking his head. The NCAA has no backbone.
Those aren't why people aren't in love with JF though. He benefited from a great WR he could throw up jump balls to. He relied on his legs too much in situations where he had the pass. He's small and his play style isn't exactly a conservative one.
The guy is a brown now and I hope he plays fantastically. I just am not betting on that at this point. I also do not see him starting unless the season is lost anyway or Hoyer gets hurt.
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No such thing as JF hate
Just JF realism.
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@walterwhite said:
We get it man, you hate Manziel and want him to fail and get hurt.
I don't care if you're a mod or not, that's the lamest shit I've ever seen from a Browns fan.
We can debate the pick all you want but this is just childish
He hasn't even been given a chance and you're wanting him to fail.
I don't care who he is, as long as he's in a Browns jersey I'll never root for one of OUR OWN players to get hurt or fail.
"Everyone get ready for the next 10-15 years of Manziel Mania"
You have no way in hell of knowing that's anywhere near reality. I just took it to the other extreme,
It's called sarcasm WW JF fanboy extraordinaire. - get used to it. Maybe you should pull your head out of Manziel's ass for a minute, get some fresh air, and get a dose of reality- 10-15 years of greatness? He's better than those other guys?
He was drafted in the same spot as Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden- there's your fact- and he has about as much potential as those other two highly touted qbs. I've even given you your very own thread where you can spout off how freaking great JF is going to be- even though he hasn't played a down yet in the NFL.
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the only pick I questioned was Kirksey, but after thinking about it, it makes sense. Guys like Borland are a dime a dozen, we can get guys to anchor in the run game. Finding a 240Lb guy to also run with these evolving TEs is a different story. Bitonio i had rated only a bit under Sua Filo, who I bet woulda been the pick had he been there. I thought both would be good. I said from the beginning we didnt need a reciever, but that was before the Gordon news broke. We filled every hole on this roster other than reciever (and maybe FS, but Gipson was decent-good last year). My bet is Gordon only gets 4-6 games and we sign another guy till then. Even if Gordon gets a season there was no replacing him until he'd be back anyways. Say you draft Watkins, rookie recievers dont come in and tear it up right away. By the time hes ready to break out, Gordons back.@walterwhite said:
I just don't understand why they didn't take Marquise Lee at 35, that's incredible value at that spot.
He'd be a great #2 receiver or #1 while Gordon is serving his time.
What an epic fuck up in round 2
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Whether you like him or not, you have to wish him success. If he fails so be it. If he is successful we should be happy.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
this thread is funny to me. Trolls and try-hards and memes.... The internet kicks ass.Second
This thread is an embarrassment to all Browns fans
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@walterwhite said:
Fuck yes he will.
Everyone will fall in love with him when he beats Pittsburgh week 1 doing the money sign
I like Johnny, but he wont be starting week 1
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No for me too ......... Hoyer will start ....we may see Johnny in some packages tho ......
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The New England Patriots took a long look at some of the top quarterbacks in the 2014 draft. Regarding Johnny Manziel, they reportedly didn’t like what they saw very much.
BroBible.com claims that it has obtained the Patriots’ scouting report on Manziel, and the entire thing has been posted online.
It looks legitimate, and it expresses various worries about Manziel’s off-field habits, including a somewhat bizarre reference to “outlaw bloodlines.” The report also describes Manziel as a “spoiled brat” who gets an allowance from his grandfather and whose father bought him a luxury car.
From a football standpoint, Texas Tech sources told the Patriots that coaches “can’t yell/scream at him or he shuts down; has walked away from [former Texas A&M offensive coordinator Kliff] Kingsbury in the past,” and that Manziel doesn’t study the game.
If the report is legitimate (and if it’s counterfeit it’s an excellent job), the question becomes how it surfaced. It reportedly came from “an anonymous tipster, who is close to BroBible family,” a description that seems to be a bit inconsistent.
Within the NFL, speculation (and to be clear, it’s just speculation) has arisen that the leaking of the scouting report bears in some way, shape, or form the fingerprints of former Browns G.M. Mike Lombardi, who was fired by Cleveland and hired by New England. Lombardi’s motivation, if the speculation is accurate, would be to make the Browns look bad for taking Manziel.
It’s an obvious starting point for the Patriots and/or the NFL if/when this is investigated. It’s so obvious that we have a hard time believing Lombardi had anything to do with it.
The far better theory would be that someone within the Patriots organization who doesn’t like Lombardi leaked it simply to create a hassle for Lombardi, which this situation undoubtedly will.
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Who gives a fuck what the Patriots thought, especially Lombardi. Obviously, Farmer and Pettine did their due diligence and decided he was worth the risk @ 22. I'm not a big Manziel fan but Christ, gimme a break.
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I'm pretty sure this report is fake. Jeff Howe, who is a New England beat writer, said on Twitter that the numerical draft grade on the report is not how the Patriots present it.
Fake. Not how Patriots numerical draft grades are presented RT @Nick_Underhill: http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-scouting-report-new-england-patriots/ … RT @Raycribs: care to enlighten us?
From Nick Caserio's meeting w/ media in 2011, here's a photo of a Patriots draft grade. Not nearly as simple as "6.5" http://atp.patsfans.com/2011/04/14/nick-caserio-gives-glimpse-of-pats-draft-process/#.U20ZoFfhAmE …
He also said in his Twitter that the site BroBible.com REACHED out to the Pats to ask if it was real or not. If it was legit why would they even need to ask?
@stoolpresidente And if Brobible "knew" it was real, why would they reach out to the Patriots for comment to ask if it's real, right?
It's either more media fodder or some guy making a quick buck off suckers or both.
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Give me a break. The hate on this kid is unbelievable.
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Yea I know it's fake. Just wanted to see how many people believe this.
The whole upgrade from Tebow thing.
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You could tell it was fake when someone used the term "Outlaw Blood Lines" Did is great great grand daddy rob stage coaches or some shit?
Ruining threads since 1897.
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