My Thoughts and Opinions on the Draft
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That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.
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I also think they should have played the QB's dropping to their favor. Pick the best one at 26 (they are all gambles) and keep the 3rd rounder. Our second shoud have gone to a better ILB and the two thirds should have been OG's.
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That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.
That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.
I thought the same thing at first but I'm assuming Farmer and co weren't real high on Stevie. I'm not too terribly concerned about the WR spot, as most are. We gave Hawkins a pretty generous contract (which I assume they believe he'll earn with his play) and Burleson will be back before preseason. While we might not have world beaters outside, we have enough to get by. Plus it looks like we'll be running the ball quite a bit.
Basically I like where we're at but then again I'm the optimistic type.
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This crop cannot fail us.
Gilbert is fucking AMAZING.
Manziel is the HOPE.
Bitonio, the CRUDGEL.
Kirksey is the PRESENCE.
West is the TORQUE.
Desir is the HAWK.
I believe these six will start and be missing pieces we needed to stake a claim to the AFCN.
QB/OL/RB - ILB/CB/FS
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We have youth at a lot if positions, depth too. Not a pressing needs to use all 10 picks. Get the guys you want early in the draft AND we're set next year. I'm cool with that.
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Great end to farmers first draft... F+
He's tanked it... For next years draft- that's the "plus"
WR 1, pot busted
WR 3/2 arm surgery
And no drafted receivers... Am I missing anything ?
That old ass steeler D gets major break week 1... Bastards
Great end to farmers first draft... F+
He's tanked it... For next years draft- that's the "plus"
WR 1, pot busted
WR 3/2 arm surgery
And no drafted receivers... Am I missing anything ?
That old ass steeler D gets major break week 1... Bastards
I very rarely post, but I read a lot. Your are a total f'n idiot. We built this DFense to be the top 5, and the OFense will run the crap out of the ball. Shan runs a 2 tight end set, with either Qb there, they will have recievers. Go troll somewhere else.
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That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.
That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.
I agree, I would have much prefered that trade. I assume that he was part of the trade conversation and the Browns turned it down. Most likely they tried to pull out the 1st round when they tried to include Stevie or something like that. But I would have called them the next day and said (We will give you OUR 4th round pick for Stevie. We keep yours. Lets see who picks lower come next year."
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Well your answer is right in your question. You wanna know why you trade up for someone and give up the 6th when you can get someone similar at our 1st 4th round pick. Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it. The next back wouldn't have dont so in all likelihood. See the difference now. Its all about the QUALITY of what you get in the picks HB, not the QUANITY.
I am sure that someone from this draft class from each round 6-7 is going to make some kind of impact. But for everyone one of them there is 25 that wont. You cant just assume it will be on our team, You cant assume that it will be on Seattle or SF either. Lets just move on and give these new players and FO our full suport, after this roller coaster weekend, I think they all deserve it
How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that. I like him as a prospect, but that doesn't make him better than Tate. More importantly how do we know any of the RB take in the 4th won't be better than West, or for that matter a RB Farmer had rated just under West won't end up being better than West. Hell, Crowell, who we just signed as a priority UDFA with a signing bonus, in all likely hood could be better than West. If any position in the NFL is proven to be the biggest gamble and crab shoot from round to round, its the RB position, and we traded up to get one.
How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that. I like him as a prospect, but that doesn't make him better than Tate. More importantly how do we know any of the RB take in the 4th won't be better than West, or for that matter a RB Farmer had rated just under West won't end up being better than West. Hell, Crowell, who we just signed as a priority UDFA with a signing bonus, in all likely hood could be better than West. If any position in the NFL is proven to be the biggest gamble and crab shoot from round to round, its the RB position, and we traded up to get one.
I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.
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How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that. I like him as a prospect, but that doesn't make him better than Tate. More importantly how do we know any of the RB take in the 4th won't be better than West, or for that matter a RB Farmer had rated just under West won't end up being better than West. Hell, Crowell, who we just signed as a priority UDFA with a signing bonus, in all likely hood could be better than West. If any position in the NFL is proven to be the biggest gamble and crab shoot from round to round, its the RB position, and we traded up to get one.
I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.
I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.
I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.
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I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.
I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.
I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.
You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.
So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.
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I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.
You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.
So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.
You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.
So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.
And don't go putting words in my mouth and take what I was saying out of context, when I stated we could have gotten a similar player and still had the 6th round pick. It implys the all the same things you said about West maybe beating out Tate. If a player we could have gotten with our early 4th rounder could have upsearted someone, it would make it a great pick. If some one who we could have picked there plays well and West doesn't, it makes the trade bad. Don't imply my answer is in what ever I ask, when I am explained why a trade is bad, cause it is obvioully implied, and a moron would know, that the trade can end up being good.
We will find out in a year whether the decision was good or bad, for both the West trade and 7th rounder trade.
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End the draft with 6 players. I guess I can't be mad that we manage to trade a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder next year, but it still just highlights my point, that Farmer needs to NOT do what he did this year come next draft, and that is trade away our picks just to move up a few spots. Once is fine for a special player, but you can't do that for half your draft. We end up with 6 players on 10 draft picks.
I like all our players, but I kept seeing players that I would have liked just as much drafted at or just after picks we traded away. Deepest draft in a decade. A decade. If there was any year to use 10 picks it was this one. Any year to use 8 picks, its this one. We come out with 6 out of 10 picks.
All the selections average out as an A right now for me. The BPA strategy gets an A from me. Farmers trading pattern gets a D, and it is only helped out because we got a 1st and 4th rounder for next year. He gets further points docked because of trading away our 7th rounder for a future pick, to a devision rival, who took a WR, when we had only selected 6 players in the draft. The only trade up that made sense was for Manziel, and even that trade was way above value. Because of that it averages out to a B for me. I'm going to call it a B- because it was the second year in the row where I watched all through the last day for no damn reason.
We come out with 6 out of 10 picks.
Actually we got 9.
We turned 2 1sts, a 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, and 1 7th into...
3 1sts (Gilbert, Manziel, Buff#1 2015), a 2nd (Bitonio), 2 3rds (Kirksey, West), 2 4ths (Desire, Buff#4 2015), and 1 6th (Balt#6 2015)
Essentially we traded a 5th and 7th for a 1st rounder... It's called "drafting power" and it's never been more important in this league. With a new regime (again), we were able to get value guys who fit our schemes, and have another stockpile of picks to further improve next season, and so on...
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You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.
So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.
And don't go putting words in my mouth and take what I was saying out of context, when I stated we could have gotten a similar player and still had the 6th round pick. It implys the all the same things you said about West maybe beating out Tate. If a player we could have gotten with our early 4th rounder could have upsearted someone, it would make it a great pick. If some one who we could have picked there plays well and West doesn't, it makes the trade bad. Don't imply my answer is in what ever I ask, when I am explained why a trade is bad, cause it is obvioully implied, and a moron would know, that the trade can end up being good.
We will find out in a year whether the decision was good or bad, for both the West trade and 7th rounder trade.
And don't go putting words in my mouth and take what I was saying out of context, when I stated we could have gotten a similar player and still had the 6th round pick. It implys the all the same things you said about West maybe beating out Tate. If a player we could have gotten with our early 4th rounder could have upsearted someone, it would make it a great pick. If some one who we could have picked there plays well and West doesn't, it makes the trade bad. Don't imply my answer is in what ever I ask, when I am explained why a trade is bad, cause it is obvioully implied, and a moron would know, that the trade can end up being good.
We will find out in a year whether the decision was good or bad, for both the West trade and 7th rounder trade.
Who put words in your mouth bud? This is what you said, and I quote "How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that." This was after I said and I quote, "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it."
You really are still not understanding this, so I will do something I do when coaching when someone doesn't understand the offense, I will try and simplify it. Nowhere in ANY statement did I (or anyone that I have seen) say that West was going to come in and unseat Tate. What I said, and it is written again in this very post AGAIN for you to read is that if it is even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then the trade was worth it. If it was Crowell we drafted there and he came in and performed like Adrian Peterson and we made that trade, is that worth it, even though we just picked him up as an UDFA? Of course it is. It doesnt matter who the player is. If they make the team better then the trade was worth it.
And by the way, if I were to put words in your mouth, I would put the right words in your mouth, not fictional words like upsearted
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We come out with 6 out of 10 picks.
Actually we got 9.
We turned 2 1sts, a 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, and 1 7th into...
3 1sts (Gilbert, Manziel, Buff#1 2015), a 2nd (Bitonio), 2 3rds (Kirksey, West), 2 4ths (Desire, Buff#4 2015), and 1 6th (Balt#6 2015)
Essentially we traded a 5th and 7th for a 1st rounder... It's called "drafting power" and it's never been more important in this league. With a new regime (again), we were able to get value guys who fit our schemes, and have another stockpile of picks to further improve next season, and so on...
Actually we got 9.
We turned 2 1sts, a 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, and 1 7th into...
3 1sts (Gilbert, Manziel, Buff#1 2015), a 2nd (Bitonio), 2 3rds (Kirksey, West), 2 4ths (Desire, Buff#4 2015), and 1 6th (Balt#6 2015)
Essentially we traded a 5th and 7th for a 1st rounder... It's called "drafting power" and it's never been more important in this league. With a new regime (again), we were able to get value guys who fit our schemes, and have another stockpile of picks to further improve next season, and so on...
I get what your saying but my statement is simply referring to the ammount of players we came out with this year and not the players we will get from the picks next year.
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Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
Better than Trent? No, say it ain't so. But is he a better running back than Derek Carr and Colt McCoy are Quarterbacks?
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Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
Ok now I am seriously starting to question West.
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yea good teams don't need starters from the 3rd and 4th rounds they can draft quantities and develop these high potential raw assets. Unfortunatelybthe Browns haven't been in this situation for along time. They are following Seatle blueprint pretty well actually.
Seahawks started doing it right around when Carrol showed up, so they were not in any better position than we are in right now.
Seahawks started doing it right around when Carrol showed up, so they were not in any better position than we are in right now.
We sure were in a worse position for wayyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than they were. They had a much better nucleus.
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Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
I'm glad you've moved on. The first love is always the hardest to get over.Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.
This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...
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