WR help ... Crabtree or Roddy White?
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Here are some stats for Roddy White. Just took them off ESPN.
In 13 games last year, 63 catches for 711 yards and 3 TD's. That was also with Julio Jones so no threat on other side
In 16 games in 2012, 92 catches for 1351 yards and 7 TD's.
In 141 Career games, 685 catches for 9436 yards and 55 TD's. That would average out to 68 catches for 943 yards and 5 TD's.
If he can have that kind of year, that for sure warrants a 3rd or 4th round pick if ATL is trying to trade him. Doesn't replace Gordon, but about the best we can hope for.
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My only issue is his age. Do we want to give a 3rd rounder for a receiver who is starting to show his age? It's a coin toss as to whether he is going to have a 2012 year or a 2013 year.
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Well think of it this way HB, even considering his age. I would say he would still have a good 3-4 years left. I do think he can still produce at a high level. He may not put up 2012 numbers, depends on the other receiver across from him AND the QB throwing to him. But who would you rather have at this point, Roddy White or one of the following (3- Josh Huff, Donte Moncrief, John Brown;4- Jalen Saunders, Bruce Ellington, Shaq Evans, Martavis Bryant, Kevin Norwood or so on). I know what my answer would be at this point. Maybe one of those comes out and becomes the next Roddy White or better, but I would go with the proven commodity who is still producing. This team has a chance to be special, and remember, this FO passed on every single one of these guys already.
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Well think of it this way HB, even considering his age. I would say he would still have a good 3-4 years left. I do think he can still produce at a high level. He may not put up 2012 numbers, depends on the other receiver across from him AND the QB throwing to him. But who would you rather have at this point, Roddy White or one of the following (3- Josh Huff, Donte Moncrief, John Brown;4- Jalen Saunders, Bruce Ellington, Shaq Evans, Martavis Bryant, Kevin Norwood or so on). I know what my answer would be at this point. Maybe one of those comes out and becomes the next Roddy White or better, but I would go with the proven commodity who is still producing. This team has a chance to be special, and remember, this FO passed on every single one of these guys already.
Well think of it this way HB, even considering his age. I would say he would still have a good 3-4 years left. I do think he can still produce at a high level. He may not put up 2012 numbers, depends on the other receiver across from him AND the QB throwing to him. But who would you rather have at this point, Roddy White or one of the following (3- Josh Huff, Donte Moncrief, John Brown;4- Jalen Saunders, Bruce Ellington, Shaq Evans, Martavis Bryant, Kevin Norwood or so on). I know what my answer would be at this point. Maybe one of those comes out and becomes the next Roddy White or better, but I would go with the proven commodity who is still producing. This team has a chance to be special, and remember, this FO passed on every single one of these guys already.
At this point my thought process isn't between him or them. It's between him and Crabtree
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Wasn't Mike Wallace on the trade block earlier in the off-season? It seems crazy that they would trade him after 1 year, but it is the dolphins
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Wasn't Mike Wallace on the trade block earlier in the off-season? It seems crazy that they would trade him after 1 year, but it is the dolphins
Wasn't Mike Wallace on the trade block earlier in the off-season? It seems crazy that they would trade him after 1 year, but it is the dolphins
Wallace would be a good pickup, but only if there was a prearranged agreement that his contract would be restructured. Not worth that kind of money.
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@walterwhite said:
Mike Wallace - I give the Dolphins a 3rd round pick and re-negoitate his contract.
Michael Crabtree - See above.
Andre Johnson - I'd give up a 4th
Roddy White - I'd give up a 3rd
MIles Austin and Holmes are probably cashed at this point.
Well I don't know where all of these names are coming from, but I don't think that any of them can be had for what is being said. We need to look at what the market is. We just saw Stevie Johnson get traded to the 49ers for a 4th round pick. STEVIE JOHNSON. Do you really think that Andre Johnson can be had for the same? Are we talking about the same Andre Johnson that is going to be a potential HOF? I know he is 32, but he also had over 1400 yards last season lol and you think a 4th can get him? What are you smoking? Like I said I would give up 3rd in a heartbeat for Roddy White. I would give up a 2 of them for him, do the same for Andre Johnson. I would gladly give up a 2nd for them.
If you wouldn't rather have either one of them on this team over a Marquis Lee or anyone of the other 2nd round drafted WR's then I dont know what you are seeing.
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So is somebody under the impression that there is an all-pro wide receiver in round six seven or undrafted? Really?
I think they've known about this for a while and are happy Enough with Hawkins and Cooper.
WSS
So is somebody under the impression that there is an all-pro wide receiver in round six seven or undrafted? Really?
I think they've known about this for a while and are happy Enough with Hawkins and Cooper.
WSS
It has happened that a Pro Bowl caliber WR can be obtained as a UDFA. Like a Victor Cruz.
Browns do have some UDFA starters on this team. The Little Gipper for one. I believe Ben Tate was a UDFA, Craig Robertson
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Ben Tate was a second round pick who lost his starting spot to Foster who was an UDFA.
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Ben Tate was a second round pick who lost his starting spot to Foster who was an UDFA.
Ben Tate was a second round pick who lost his starting spot to Foster who was an UDFA.
OK, I knew one of those was a UDFA, I just got the wrong one.
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@walterwhite said:
What would we have to give up for Crabtree?
I could see using that 2015 6th we got from Baltimore to pick up either Crabtree or White. We won't be trading any players until we closer to the cut dates...
Either way, a trade like this might not happen for a while, but it is the type of move we need to make to bring in a vet WR that can "act like" our WR1 this season just as a stop-gap.
I could see using that 2015 6th we got from Baltimore to pick up either Crabtree or White. We won't be trading any players until we closer to the cut dates...
Either way, a trade like this might not happen for a while, but it is the type of move we need to make to bring in a vet WR that can "act like" our WR1 this season just as a stop-gap.
If Ray Farmer can pull off trading a 6th for either of those players he can likely walk on water as well.
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I am going out on a limb and predicting we talk to the Giants about Rueben Randle. They brought in Beckham, are pretty deep at WR and I think its possible the would move him. I will get shit for this other one but I would like to look on the cheap at Ramses Barden who I think is now on cheap retainer with the Bills.
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Im just gonna take a shot in the dark and predict that Green Bay cuts someone loose. Picked up a couple receivers in the draft and are tight on cap space if I remember right. I wouldn't mind taking Nelson off their books for the right pick. No basis for this, pure speculation. Even if Gordon stays on the roster, Nelson would be a solid number 2, even with his recurring injuries.
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What about Larry Fitzgerald? The cardinals owe him 23 mil this year, but if they cut him or trade him they save 9 mil.
If we can get him for the right price, he would be just what the Dr ordered. He would cost us 8 mil the first year but the price would jump up to 17 the following 3 years. We could afford it and he is 30 years old so he has 2 or 3 more productive season left.
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We could always cut him if he doesn't produce because we would owe him no garunteed money. There is also the possibility of a restructure because he would have 0 garunteed money
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@walterwhite said:
What would we have to give up for Crabtree?
Million dollar question. Only 1 year left on his rookie deal, some injury history. I wouldn't give more than a mid round pick.
I wouldn't give more than a mid round pick (for Crabtree).
Why restrict the trade convo to a future draft pick? We have defensive depth that can be leveraged.
Not that SF needs D now, but who knows down the road.
This could be a long process...
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