Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I love reading through all this so i can get a feel for the true Browns fans. Funny thing is we went through the same debate about some redshirted freshman kid someone had nicknamed "Johnny Football" who was tearing apart the 1st team D with nothing but a scout team. None of us long suffering Aggie fans believed such a "phenom" really existed or that he was throwing a lot to some high school power forward from a basketball team with one year experience as a football player. Who could have ever guessed that two years later a Heisman winner goes to the Browns and his basketball player goes even higher to the Bucs?
Just enjoy the ride. Relax. Whatever happens will be a lot of fun to be a part of because some things he pulls off will make your head spin thinking what you just saw was not possible on this level. We thought the same thing going into our first season in the SEC. Man the last two years were fun even without any championships.
We expected no savior, but what we got was thoroughly entertaining. Keep your expectations there and anything else is gravy.
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I can't see LJ hanging with the young Texas peckerwood
Namath played in the Muni for the first MNF game in 1970.
I'm sure there a ton of old time Browns fans who hold him in the highest regard
Yea, and he could play some football, too
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I surely hope he will be better. Kosar was good but not great. I am tired of watching other teams with great qb's.
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My guess is that Hoyer will start the first game and Johnny will get to play some. Once the team and coaches
work with Johnny, they will want him as the starter. He has quickness in the pocket like no other. He may be shorter than the
usual nfl quarterback, but his confidence and swagger is contagious. He is must-see TV.
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raggedy ann isn't your boyfriend named shakety steve? yet you're 2 timing with JF?
slut.
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I'd take a Kosar all day right now over nobody forever, but let's hope johnny goes into the hall of fame.
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oh FFS some of you muppet browns fans I swear. Thank god I see the majority of people understand that in order for Johnny Manziel to be our franchise qb for the future, the guy that takes us deep into the playoffs perennially....he HAS to sit for AT LEAST a year. I'm actually going to be livid if I see him in there this year even if does decent. Reality is it's going to take more than a year for him to purge his bad habits from college that WILL get his ass killed in the NFL. Once he understands how and when to slouch out of a collapsing NFL pocket, like the best of em...than put him in.
My worst fear though is that after the 1st bad game HOyer puts up....the johnny chants are coming. Fucking facepalm. I'd rather us have a sub .500 season again then to prematurely put JF out there cause I think he has the potential to be "really" special in this league.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I can understand Brown fans being jaded by the hype following a new QB, but seriously...Quin? Weeden? I mean i have always saw the Browns as a team that knows how to fuck things up and they almost did Thursday. They passed on Manziel twice before getting it right the third time. I dont understand not drafting a WR either. Anyways, i kindof find it offensive when people compare Johnny with other QBs. There is no comparision. This is a completely different animal. I think all of us cant wait to see what he does with his first opportunity.
It certainly is going to be nothing short of fascinating waatching him play Everlasting.
I just want to say welcome Aggie-Browns fans to the fold! I personally am glad to have you aboard as Aggie fans know what it is like to endure absolute misery and persistent disappointments without wavering once in their support for their team. I don't give a fuck what other teams' fans say about our brownies and us fans, we are the most diehard, reverant, strong willed fans in all of professional sports. Nothing has broken our will to root for our team and nothing ever will!
I'm pumped to see how Manziel translates to the NFL. He has a couple knocks in a few areas but there is no questioning he is driven, confident, gifted, athletic, and a tough son of a bitch. I have seen some the hits he took at A&M when he takes off running and he bounces right back up like "FUCK YOU, that's all you got big guy?" At worst he will bust like all the other twenty something QBs we have started in the past 15 years and in reality we Browns fans are so numb to that occurrence anymore that is become a routine. I truely wish the best for him though as he is one of us now, I hope he embraces Cleveland and bleeds Brown and orange for the next 15 years.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I am a long time (disgruntled) Cowboys fan and i have never been into college football until one day i saw Manziel on tv and i was amazed at the plays he makes. Most exciting player i have ever seen. He makes the game fun. Very envious because i honestly thought he was staying in Texas. Alot of dissappointed Cowboys and Texan fans.
On a side note, i think he should sit the first year. Calm the hype down a little, let him mature and learn. Romo sat for 3 seasons before his first start. Keep building the pieces around him.
I agree he needs to sit for a while. But what you don't understand is this is Cleveland, and if Hoyer falters at all our fans are so rabid and passionate they will call for his head, all hell will break loose, and the Johnny football show will most likely begin.....
I would be satisfied if he sat at least 8 games.
Romo.... Bleh. I think he is way overhyped and not nearly as great as he is made out to be. He is a master choke artist when it comes time to put up or shut up. No team is going anywhere with that. Manziel on the other hand is the exact opposite. The more pressure, the greater the moment and the scrutiny at hand, the better he plays andthe better he makes those around him play.
This is going to be a fun, interesting new era in Cleveland.
The TRADER RAY era.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I am a long time (disgruntled) Cowboys fan and i have never been into college football until one day i saw Manziel on tv and i was amazed at the plays he makes. Most exciting player i have ever seen. He makes the game fun. Very envious because i honestly thought he was staying in Texas. Alot of dissappointed Cowboys and Texan fans.
On a side note, i think he should sit the first year. Calm the hype down a little, let him mature and learn. Romo sat for 3 seasons before his first start. Keep building the pieces around him.
Aren't all Cowboy fans disgruntled?
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This is like talking about the draft forever, now this! At least hold the conversation until after the 1st preseason game.
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Bottom line guys...Either one will make us a winner. Hoyer will most likely take better care of the football but Johnny won't go out and wreck the game. Johnny would most likely make the game more interesting. Either way we'll sneak up on some teams...punish others that we should (Shout out to Cincy, Pitt, and Ratbirds)...and get to watch some football past the first week of January.
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I would think that any player in the NFL would have a championship as his goal. Maybe even a longer career as a starting player.
I like Bernie Kosar but he certainly gets the benefit of the Rose (or orange) colored glasses.
Then again so does my favorite Brown Brian Sipe.
WSS
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WW I hope you're right. I hoped you were wrong that they would pick JFF. But they did, so I'm all in for JFF to turn this team into a winner. But I believe Hoyer starts...and I'm ok with that. If Hoyer proves he's the best guy, and we win with JFF holding a clipboard, I'm just fine with that too.
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I would take any 80's - Early 90's QB over any of the guys coming in the last 10 years. The mentality of the game has changed considerably. It's all about "Me" and not the "team". There are still a few coming out that appear to be about the "team", but it is becoming less and less of a concept. Most of these kids, as soon as they here their name in that first round, are thinking about their image, their product, and their marketability.
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He looks like a fucking elf, I can't take him seriously. He did buy shots for people, that's a plus. Though he smiles like my dog does after he has eaten cat shit. I vote for Axle's son with Vince in second.
...And please don't refer to him as Elvis unless you want to find him dead in a bathroom with 8 boxes of fudgesicles, 10 lbs of fried chicken, and a dozen half eaten bananas fully knowing he was masturbating and crying at the time of expiration. Elvis was a phony and a sham, don't toss the elf into that category just yet.
He looks like a fucking elf, I can't take him seriously. He did buy shots for people, that's a plus. Though he smiles like my dog does after he has eaten cat shit. I vote for Axle's son with Vince in second.
...And please don't refer to him as Elvis unless you want to find him dead in a bathroom with 8 boxes of fudgesicles, 10 lbs of fried chicken, and a dozen half eaten bananas fully knowing he was masturbating and crying at the time of expiration. Elvis was a phony and a sham, don't toss the elf into that category just yet.
Ha...perfect timing with the return of the Brownie as mascot. I forsee Brownie t-shirts with JF's face being made and sold on the streets of Cleveland...
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I am sick of all the "HE IS GOD".. "NO HE SUCKS" posts. So I thought I would start an unbiased thread. Show me where he is bad and makes bad decisions. Or show me how great he is.
I will start with a link...
I have watched the first 5 minutes of this game.. This is a 2013 bowl game between Texas A&M and OK... First 6 snaps with Manziel at QB.
1st snap, designed run play I think to get everyone back in the game, having been away from football for several weeks. Gains 5
2nd snap hand off run play, stuffed for only 2 yards.
3rd snap.. Pure Manziel.. What I liked is that he STOOD IN THE POCKET and checked down 3 receivers before having to bail and run
He got an easy first down.
4th snap. Hand off and great run
5th snap. Hand off and great run...
The whole sequence was done in a 2 minute style offense that resulted in OK having to use a Timeout WITH ONLY 2 MINUTES off the clock in the 1st quarter.....
That is the type of fast past, quick thinking QB we need.... I don't know who wins this game so don't spoil it for me, I am going back to watch the rest... I will stop back in with more critiques..
BobPound!
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Ok. watched the end of the first possession of this game. First play is a stuffed run... 2nd is a Designed pass play. He patiently checks down about 2 receivers was working on the 3rd when he was forced to scramble. Most QB's, this results in a throw away pass or a sack.. He rolls left and outruns everyone to the edge and instead of running out or sliding, he makes a nice move to tip toe to the end zone.
TD.
Bobpound!
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I tell you what I see that I don't like so far, the run plays seem to be designed for him to lower his shoulder in to the oncoming LBs. Not saying that we're going to run the same thing - I doubt we will - but much like a RB coming out of college he's taken a lot of hits.
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