Justin Gilbert
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Man, I cant believe more people are not talking about this kid! I loved the pick and had him firmly in my top 10. If you took QBs off my board he was top 5! We got him and a 1st round pick for number 4. Huge. I said it from the beginning, WR, OT, and a pass rusher were not needs for us, and we were either picking a QB or moving down. Well he pulled both off. Id give Farmer an under the desk handy right now.
Unfortunately, JFF has hogged all the talk. This was THE pick. I called it right at the trade down and hoped for a 2014 second rounder in return. What we got was gold. I looked at my buddy and we both agreed that if they took Manziel after that, we could handle it. Gilbert will take the secondary to the next level.
haha yep. I called it before the draft began though ; )Unfortunately, JFF has hogged all the talk. This was THE pick. I called it right at the trade down and hoped for a 2014 second rounder in return. What we got was gold. I looked at my buddy and we both agreed that if they took Manziel after that, we could handle it. Gilbert will take the secondary to the next level.
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Oh...the irony.@mike-h said:
I wish you weren't so bad.
I almost feel sorry for you....MBA in journalism (lol....journalism) and you write for a fan rag. Doing well....
To your earlier post....I'm an engineer. You get paid for opinions on entertainment....a non critical society function...I get paid....well, very well....because I have an intimate understanding of science and help my employer make millions of dollars a year. So yeah.....I guess there's lots of reasons to be jealous of you.
Totally justified, the size of you head is.
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Oh...the irony.@mike-h said:
I wish you weren't so bad.
I almost feel sorry for you....MBA in journalism (lol....journalism) and you write for a fan rag. Doing well....
To your earlier post....I'm an engineer. You get paid for opinions on entertainment....a non critical society function...I get paid....well, very well....because I have an intimate understanding of science and help my employer make millions of dollars a year. So yeah.....I guess there's lots of reasons to be jealous of you.
Totally justified, the size of you head is.
Oh...the irony.
I almost feel sorry for you....MBA in journalism (lol....journalism) and you write for a fan rag. Doing well....
To your earlier post....I'm an engineer. You get paid for opinions on entertainment....a non critical society function...I get paid....well, very well....because I have an intimate understanding of science and help my employer make millions of dollars a year. So yeah.....I guess there's lots of reasons to be jealous of you.
Totally justified, the size of you head is.
You're so damn cool.
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We need to jump this topic back to the top since he was our first pick, and there are like 50 topics about WR and Manziel.
Anyway, for the scheme the Browns are playing, he was a good pick.
For the value they got him at with the 8th pick, and getting a 1st and 4th next year he was an excellent pick.
As a player alone, for me he is a decent pick. I have said this in a few threads but they weren't Gilbert related; he is a below average tackler and with me being a football coach, I just couldn't sign off on that, no matter the magnificent coverage talent that he has. But you also have to remember that my coaching is at a completely different level than these guys, and there is A LOT more passing in NFL than at my level, but still hard to get something out of your mind/how you teach. The coaches on the Browns also know A LOT more than I do, and all of what I am saying is personal preference, but if we were going CB, I would went someone with a little better tackling skills, even if we traded down. I liked Kyle Fuller myself, but again I also am a VT fan
. Again I liked the pick for our scheme and really liked the pick for the value, and I think these coaches can get him tackling better, but I think that Desir what a better value pick, and if we hadn't drafted Gilbert I think Desir could have started. I think on runs/short passes that at least initially Gilbert's tackling may be a liability. -
@mike-h said:
I'd expect a lot better insight from an educated man. Mouthbreathers like Tour have an excuse to be wrong, but you're just lazy, I guess.
And I make a lot more than my engineer girlfriend at my 9-5. The fact that I get paid for a hobby and passion on the side is icing on the cake.
So cool bro, keep it up.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
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I have the best job of all, you boner police.
I get coffee and I don't get paid for it.
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We need to jump this topic back to the top since he was our first pick, and there are like 50 topics about WR and Manziel.
Anyway, for the scheme the Browns are playing, he was a good pick.
For the value they got him at with the 8th pick, and getting a 1st and 4th next year he was an excellent pick.
As a player alone, for me he is a decent pick. I have said this in a few threads but they weren't Gilbert related; he is a below average tackler and with me being a football coach, I just couldn't sign off on that, no matter the magnificent coverage talent that he has. But you also have to remember that my coaching is at a completely different level than these guys, and there is A LOT more passing in NFL than at my level, but still hard to get something out of your mind/how you teach. The coaches on the Browns also know A LOT more than I do, and all of what I am saying is personal preference, but if we were going CB, I would went someone with a little better tackling skills, even if we traded down. I liked Kyle Fuller myself, but again I also am a VT fan
. Again I liked the pick for our scheme and really liked the pick for the value, and I think these coaches can get him tackling better, but I think that Desir what a better value pick, and if we hadn't drafted Gilbert I think Desir could have started. I think on runs/short passes that at least initially Gilbert's tackling may be a liability.We need to jump this topic back to the top since he was our first pick, and there are like 50 topics about WR and Manziel.
Anyway, for the scheme the Browns are playing, he was a good pick.
For the value they got him at with the 8th pick, and getting a 1st and 4th next year he was an excellent pick.
As a player alone, for me he is a decent pick. I have said this in a few threads but they weren't Gilbert related; he is a below average tackler and with me being a football coach, I just couldn't sign off on that, no matter the magnificent coverage talent that he has. But you also have to remember that my coaching is at a completely different level than these guys, and there is A LOT more passing in NFL than at my level, but still hard to get something out of your mind/how you teach. The coaches on the Browns also know A LOT more than I do, and all of what I am saying is personal preference, but if we were going CB, I would went someone with a little better tackling skills, even if we traded down. I liked Kyle Fuller myself, but again I also am a VT fan
. Again I liked the pick for our scheme and really liked the pick for the value, and I think these coaches can get him tackling better, but I think that Desir what a better value pick, and if we hadn't drafted Gilbert I think Desir could have started. I think on runs/short passes that at least initially Gilbert's tackling may be a liability.I agree that not being a great tackler can be irksom, but at the same time it is probably one of the easier things to fix in a CB. I'm not talking about turning him into some kind of thumper, but teaching him how to tackle effectively while also protecting his own body. When Haden came into the league, he had the same lable as a below average tackler. But if he was, the past coaches got it fixed before he even stepped on the field for his first game. He never blows anyone back, but he raps around the legs and takes them down.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
I am a professional dick measurer. Don't ask
Ruining threads since 1897. -
We need to jump this topic back to the top since he was our first pick, and there are like 50 topics about WR and Manziel.
Anyway, for the scheme the Browns are playing, he was a good pick.
For the value they got him at with the 8th pick, and getting a 1st and 4th next year he was an excellent pick.
As a player alone, for me he is a decent pick. I have said this in a few threads but they weren't Gilbert related; he is a below average tackler and with me being a football coach, I just couldn't sign off on that, no matter the magnificent coverage talent that he has. But you also have to remember that my coaching is at a completely different level than these guys, and there is A LOT more passing in NFL than at my level, but still hard to get something out of your mind/how you teach. The coaches on the Browns also know A LOT more than I do, and all of what I am saying is personal preference, but if we were going CB, I would went someone with a little better tackling skills, even if we traded down. I liked Kyle Fuller myself, but again I also am a VT fan
. Again I liked the pick for our scheme and really liked the pick for the value, and I think these coaches can get him tackling better, but I think that Desir what a better value pick, and if we hadn't drafted Gilbert I think Desir could have started. I think on runs/short passes that at least initially Gilbert's tackling may be a liability.I agree that not being a great tackler can be irksom, but at the same time it is probably one of the easier things to fix in a CB. I'm not talking about turning him into some kind of thumper, but teaching him how to tackle effectively while also protecting his own body. When Haden came into the league, he had the same lable as a below average tackler. But if he was, the past coaches got it fixed before he even stepped on the field for his first game. He never blows anyone back, but he raps around the legs and takes them down.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
I am a professional dick measurer. Don't ask
I agree that not being a great tackler can be irksom, but at the same time it is probably one of the easier things to fix in a CB. I'm not talking about turning him into some kind of thumper, but teaching him how to tackle effectively while also protecting his own body. When Haden came into the league, he had the same lable as a below average tackler. But if he was, the past coaches got it fixed before he even stepped on the field for his first game. He never blows anyone back, but he raps around the legs and takes them down.
I am a professional dick measurer. Don't ask
Like I said Harry Buffalo, Gilbert is a great fit for the scheme of the Browns and I am sure the coaches can coach him up and at least make him a better tackler, but as a coach it just would give ME a concern. I can't think of the perfect word for it, because I don't think it is a lack of effort, but in some of the highlights that is the appearance it gives off. Like I said, I don't think that's what it is, but I don't have the perfect word for it. One way that I can somewhat describe it, though not as bad (though not nearly as talented either) is remember how Deion want to/never did tackle, but if there was a tackle that had to be made, he could make it? He reminds me somewhat of that. Gilbert is a better tackler than that, but that is what popped into my head.
I am obviously no scout, and if I was the team would suck because of my mentality, and I do have a completely different mentality/style of football than in pros which effects how I view things like that. But I can tell you, that I do have to watch a lot of film and with MY mentality/style, if he was on my team and doing that he wouldn't be on field until it was corrected and wouldn't "recruit/draft" him. Thats why I am not in charge of a team.
The funny thing is, with all that said, I think it was a good pick, and with the extra picks, it was a GREAT pick. I also have a funny feeling that Pettine has some of that same mentality/style as me in him. It's just a different game in NFL and he knows that, but he will make both of those CB tougher
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We need to jump this topic back to the top since he was our first pick, and there are like 50 topics about WR and Manziel.
Anyway, for the scheme the Browns are playing, he was a good pick.
For the value they got him at with the 8th pick, and getting a 1st and 4th next year he was an excellent pick.
As a player alone, for me he is a decent pick. I have said this in a few threads but they weren't Gilbert related; he is a below average tackler and with me being a football coach, I just couldn't sign off on that, no matter the magnificent coverage talent that he has. But you also have to remember that my coaching is at a completely different level than these guys, and there is A LOT more passing in NFL than at my level, but still hard to get something out of your mind/how you teach. The coaches on the Browns also know A LOT more than I do, and all of what I am saying is personal preference, but if we were going CB, I would went someone with a little better tackling skills, even if we traded down. I liked Kyle Fuller myself, but again I also am a VT fan
. Again I liked the pick for our scheme and really liked the pick for the value, and I think these coaches can get him tackling better, but I think that Desir what a better value pick, and if we hadn't drafted Gilbert I think Desir could have started. I think on runs/short passes that at least initially Gilbert's tackling may be a liability.I agree that not being a great tackler can be irksom, but at the same time it is probably one of the easier things to fix in a CB. I'm not talking about turning him into some kind of thumper, but teaching him how to tackle effectively while also protecting his own body. When Haden came into the league, he had the same lable as a below average tackler. But if he was, the past coaches got it fixed before he even stepped on the field for his first game. He never blows anyone back, but he raps around the legs and takes them down.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
I am a professional dick measurer. Don't ask
sooooo youre a fluffer?I am a professional dick measurer. Don't ask
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@mike-h said:
I'd expect a lot better insight from an educated man. Mouthbreathers like Tour have an excuse to be wrong, but you're just lazy, I guess.
And I make a lot more than my engineer girlfriend at my 9-5. The fact that I get paid for a hobby and passion on the side is icing on the cake.
So cool bro, keep it up.
"I make more than my girlfriend."
Classic!... and so very manly...
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You are either a very well paid journalist or she is a very underpaid engineer, lol
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Cool vid on the Browns site with a very stoic Farmer about the moves and then the Gilbert pick.
Last question was whether he thought about pairing Gilbert with Haden... and during his answer Farmer tries unsuccessfully to contain a smile... Check it out...
Agree 100%...
thanks for that link tour. prob wouldn't have seen it without your post.
farmer is the shit. plain and simple. what gets me about that vid is how many times he says "plays like a brown" "hits like a brown" "covers like a brown" and goes on to say haden, gilbert and whiten...wouldn't want to go there (as in opposing offenses). we are now BADASS in the D backfield.
on a sour note..what's up with farmer's tie? i watched the vid and was mesmerized by both the tie and the brown's helmet pin.
reminds me of a bad acid trip i had back in the 70s.
thanks for that link tour. prob wouldn't have seen it without your post.
yw, my man... that wry little smile was a cool moment.
Oh...the irony.
I almost feel sorry for you....MBA in journalism (lol....journalism) and you write for a fan rag. Doing well....
To your earlier post....I'm an engineer. You get paid for opinions on entertainment....a non critical society function...I get paid....well, very well....because I have an intimate understanding of science and help my employer make millions of dollars a year. So yeah.....I guess there's lots of reasons to be jealous of you.
Totally justified, the size of you head is.
Ah... a fellow engineer... and probably a fellow mouthbreather as well...
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
I thought that was pretty clear, but forgive Mikey... he's a little paranoid these days.
Profession comparisons had not been in the discussion. Just one of the latest places Mikey has taken the convo in a futile attempt to puff himself up more.
Not only can Mikey not construct a logical argument, but also he cannot tolerate being anything less than the voice of authority here. Quite a conundrum... So he has simply fallen back on name-calling and what is clinically known as "making shit up" about others here.
Classic insecurity reaction...
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Well, Mike H., I am retired now, but I was a corporate programmer/analyst-business/analyst....a
nicely paid consultant with some huge companies in the latter years, and my Wonderful Cute Wife always made more money than I did.
Master's degree, etc.
So, I win.
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Well, Mike H., I am retired now, but I was a corporate programmer/analyst-business/analyst....a
nicely paid consultant with some huge companies in the latter years, and my Wonderful Cute Wife always made more money than I did.
Master's degree, etc.
So, I win.
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Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
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Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
Ugh, assembly script. Horrible stuff.
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@mike-h said:
I'd expect a lot better insight from an educated man. Mouthbreathers like Tour have an excuse to be wrong, but you're just lazy, I guess.
And I make a lot more than my engineer girlfriend at my 9-5. The fact that I get paid for a hobby and passion on the side is icing on the cake.
So cool bro, keep it up.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
I was actually replying to choco...his post just became all braggy. I actually really like your posts/articles, Mike. Not sure how those wires got crossed.
The dick measuring contests on here about professions get a little silly.
Do I perhaps trump you all? I am a guy that on occasion can put other guys on an involuntary basis into a place where they are or can be actually forced to measure each others dicks....for real.
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@mike-h said:
Try to keep up, the point was she's an engineer. I wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend multiple sentences, though, so Ill keep it simple for you.
So? Your girlfriend pulls trains?
(sorry, couldn't resist that setup)
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Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
IBM 360? Dude, any math I had to do was done with a slide rule....or an abacus. God, what a day when Texas Instruments came out with a calculator that would only cost you about $400.00 (you know, the kind that people give away now for free as promotional material)
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Visual Basic, Lotus Notes, Javascript...
you big dummy. lol
Okay, so my first year, I wrote mortgage payment calcs in assembler
on some old IBM 360 mainframes for 42 banks. Never made a mistake.
Left there to do dbase and foxpro stuff. A lot more fun. Assembler was no fun.
IBM 360? Dude, any math I had to do was done with a slide rule....or an abacus. God, what a day when Texas Instruments came out with a calculator that would only cost you about $400.00 (you know, the kind that people give away now for free as promotional material)
@mike-h said:
Your insecurity and jealousy is seeping through my phone man. I'm going to have to get a restraining order, because you're legit scaring me with your obsession.
Delusions of grandeur paired with paranoia is a classic symptom of schizophrenia, Mikey.
If you seek help, they can be controlled. If you don't, then I'm here for you.
IBM 360? Dude, any math I had to do was done with a slide rule....or an abacus. God, what a day when Texas Instruments came out with a calculator that would only cost you about $400.00 (you know, the kind that people give away now for free as promotional material)
LOL... I remember when the hp35 price dropped from the original $400 to $300 and I jumped on that bargain.
And the controversy was "should the calculators be allowed for tests".
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