Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser.
"Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry.
In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear.
I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
Good "+1" worthy post... BIG difference in acceptability at 22 rather than 4...
I agree completely... I do not think (JM) is ready to play yet...
Well, we have that in common
Zombo said:
We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle.
Difference being Wilson is a consummate team QB. While there's an ego there to be sure, it is not in your face.
He has good fundamentals, and if he learns to stand just an extra 1 second in the pocket before bring the ball down and running, he will last a lot longer in the AFC North...
He needs to take a piece of humble pie and realize that his Johnny Football persona is going to hurt his team if he goes down with a separated shoulder because he went head to head with an NFL linebacker... He has good fundamentals, he needs to sit in the back seat for a while and learn how the NFL works...
True, but as you tame a phenom like Manziel, do you risk eliminating that which made him the prospect he is?
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The amusing part is that the OP called it a "hard hitting documentary"
I am not actually certain if I have ever seen a bigger piece of fluff in my life.
Damn, JAFBF... ugliest elf yet...
The amusing part is that the OP called it a "hard hitting documentary"
I am not actually certain if I have ever seen a bigger piece of fluff in my life.
Production values were outstanding tho... and liked the soundtrack to boot.
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Brown fans are gonna have to get ready for us Aggie fans/students/alums. We are coming along for the ride. People like MLD Woody have no idea on what your about to witness and get in a QB. You are very very lucky and you dont even know it yet. Im going to bookmark this thread so I can witness some crow eating by MLD and it will be very soon.
Thanks for telling us how lucky we are. What would we do without you turds here to explain the game of football to us? Ass hats.
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Something I don't really get to experience, btw, is there a divide between college fans and NFL fans? Big rivalry etc?
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Brown fans are gonna have to get ready for us Aggie fans/students/alums. We are coming along for the ride. People like MLD Woody have no idea on what your about to witness and get in a QB. You are very very lucky and you dont even know it yet. Im going to bookmark this thread so I can witness some crow eating by MLD and it will be very soon.
That's fine I'll gladly eat crow if it means winning. But you'd better still be around too to eat yours if JF flops in the NFL. But what would really happen is you Aggie fans/students/alums will disappear just as quickly. Like you said, you are coming along for the ride...which may be very short.
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For the Die Hard Browns Fans-apologies for giving hope. We understand the pain it brings when you get it back only to have it dashed again and again and again.
MY hope is that this staff uses him as wisely as Seattle has used Russell Wilson. Teach him how to be a real pro QB, but don't squash that improvisational "It" factor that makes him unique.
Tom Landry did it with this guy some years ago for those of you who have never seen him play. He had that same scrambling "It" factor and Landry tamed it down to fit the pros witout losing "It",
That style can translate to the pros if done properly.
Don't you fucking dare coming in here with this shit.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
Good "+1" worthy post... BIG difference in acceptability at 22 rather than 4...
I agree completely... I do not think (JM) is ready to play yet...
Well, we have that in common
Zombo said:
We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle.
Difference being Wilson is a consummate team QB. While there's an ego there to be sure, it is not in your face.
He has good fundamentals, and if he learns to stand just an extra 1 second in the pocket before bring the ball down and running, he will last a lot longer in the AFC North...
He needs to take a piece of humble pie and realize that his Johnny Football persona is going to hurt his team if he goes down with a separated shoulder because he went head to head with an NFL linebacker... He has good fundamentals, he needs to sit in the back seat for a while and learn how the NFL works...
True, but as you tame a phenom like Manziel, do you risk eliminating that which made him the prospect he is?
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Johnny will succeed. I have a feeling. He has a natural talent.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
You detractors are such morons. Johnny is about to be a stud, you clusterfvcks are too stupid to understand this because all you know is losing. fags.
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Johnny will succeed. I have a feeling. He has a natural talent.
Johnny will succeed. I have a feeling. He has a natural talent.
Can come across as a prick though.
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Really, not being on board with Manziel from the gitgo....
but he's a kid. Full of himself a bit outrageously, But he has
that love for the game, I don't see him as a prick, I see him
brash and intense about football. And immature.
But not so immature that he doesn't get it. He's growing up
all the time. The difference in manner with JF falling out of the
top ten, vs others, like Quinn...is huge. JF is a classy guy.
Give him a year, and he'll be the first one to admit he was just
a kid, but he's grown now.
I think he has all the skills to succeed. Maybe the only chance
he won't succeed is maturity, because he has "it", and exceptional skills.
Tall, cannon armed doofuses haven't worked, except in pukesburg's case..
but they can have a Hoyer, and two younger, rookie qbs who can also move,
have that fire and intelligence for the game, can make things happen on the field...
JF's time will come. But it's a very big playbook and a whole new level of football.
In Hoyer I trust. Til later on, like at least one season.
Although, if the Browns are beating the squeelers 51-0 again...I'd say put
JF in for a few plays....
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Something I don't really get to experience, btw, is there a divide between college fans and NFL fans? Big rivalry etc?
Something I don't really get to experience, btw, is there a divide between college fans and NFL fans? Big rivalry etc?
I would say it depends on where you are from. In some places, college football IS king. Mostly places that do not have an NFL team nearby that think the college experience is better than the pro experience. And who knows, they may be right to an extent. Examples:
Columbus, Ohio
South Carolina
Alabama
Nebraska
SW Texas (particularly Austin/San Antonio area)
Oklahoma
Now: Los Angeles. (not always)
I would not say there is a rivalry between college football and the NFL. Even in areas where there are big time schools in both, they kind of prop each other up:
Pittsburgh
Detroit/Ann Arbor
Minnesota
Phoenix
Bay area
Seattle
Dallas
Missouri
Baton Rouge/New Orleans
Miami
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Just a little note of caution for all Browns fans both old timers here and new ones like me who are loyal to JFF.
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
So be careful who you insult. He will be a new poster just like the rest of us showing up here. It was an ongoing guessing game to figure out who he was on Texags.com.
If he can't take some people doubting him, along with the usual keyboard warrior bullshit versus fanatical homerism, he's probably not going to make it to the top.
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Just a little note of caution for all Browns fans both old timers here and new ones like me who are loyal to JFF.
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
So be careful who you insult. He will be a new poster just like the rest of us showing up here. It was an ongoing guessing game to figure out who he was on Texags.com.
My guess is WalterWhite
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What I liked on this set of downs was that he stayed in the pocket as long as he could. I watched him going through processions to at least 2nd and even 3rd receiver on one of the downs..
I think the word you were looking for was "progressions"...
I know you are having fun, but you are pretending you are evaluating a QB by watching the QB. You are not seeing the whole field, so you cannot tell whether progressing from his primary to his secondary was warranted.
On the first series first pass here's what I saw:
- In the initial sideline view it appeared Evans (split right) was his primary because JM looked right first. The corner was playing off so it looked like if Evans curled at the line to gain, then the first down was a cinch. I can't be sure, but I do not think Evans curled... it may not have been an option for him.
- The endzone replay shows that next JM looks at double crossing routes just beyond the line to gain; he wisely does not force a throw into three defenders, but a moment later the receiver crossing right to left breaks clear by two steps and the throw is not made.
- JM then pulls the ball down and takes off... at least he slid at the end.
That JM misses a lot of throw opportunities was well documented by analyst after analyst leading up to the draft.
The kid is exciting, but he is also raw. The is, after all, still a kid having only played 2 years at the college level. And he is about to play against bigger faster stronger players than he has ever seen.
Fans, even his most ardent ones, would be wise to wait patiently for his time to come.
I think the word you were looking for was "progressions"...
I know you are having fun, but you are pretending you are evaluating a QB by watching the QB. You are not seeing the whole field, so you cannot tell whether progressing from his primary to his secondary was warranted.
On the first series first pass here's what I saw:
- In the initial sideline view it appeared Evans (split right) was his primary because JM looked right first. The corner was playing off so it looked like if Evans curled at the line to gain, then the first down was a cinch. I can't be sure, but I do not think Evans curled... it may not have been an option for him.
- The endzone replay shows that next JM looks at double crossing routes just beyond the line to gain; he wisely does not force a throw into three defenders, but a moment later the receiver crossing right to left breaks clear by two steps and the throw is not made.
- JM then pulls the ball down and takes off... at least he slid at the end.
That JM misses a lot of throw opportunities was well documented by analyst after analyst leading up to the draft.
The kid is exciting, but he is also raw. The is, after all, still a kid having only played 2 years at the college level. And he is about to play against bigger faster stronger players than he has ever seen.
Fans, even his most ardent ones, would be wise to wait patiently for his time to come.
Exactly- it was also pointed out JF didn't have to call out the line blocking @ A&M. If he misses something like that in the Pros and doesn't convey that to Mack, he's going to get killed.
For the Die Hard Browns Fans-apologies for giving hope. We understand the pain it brings when you get it back only to have it dashed again and again and again.
MY hope is that this staff uses him as wisely as Seattle has used Russell Wilson. Teach him how to be a real pro QB, but don't squash that improvisational "It" factor that makes him unique.
Tom Landry did it with this guy some years ago for those of you who have never seen him play. He had that same scrambling "It" factor and Landry tamed it down to fit the pros witout losing "It",
That style can translate to the pros if done properly.
I'm not saying his style of play can't translate to the Pros- but should he continue to scramble and dance the way we've all seen him do, he's going to wind up like RG III with an ACL in short order. Running qbs tend to have short shelf lives in the Pros- looking at JF, probably the closest comparison I can think of is Michael Vick- and not to be insulting, MHO is Vick has (had) every bit as much talent as Manziel- and probably more. A little FYI for ya here. There are legions of Ohio State fans that also post on this Board- I like to think we know a thing or two about the college game, and how it translates to the Pros- or doesn't. Also us guys who are on the high side of 40 (some of us way on the high side) don't get overly awed by college highlights. I've seen more than one college qb Heisman winner flop badly in the Pros- so I'll withhold my adulation until JF actually does something- and for more than one year. We had a six game wonder on the Browns named Derek Anderson for reference.
Just a little note of caution for all Browns fans both old timers here and new ones like me who are loyal to JFF.
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
So be careful who you insult. He will be a new poster just like the rest of us showing up here. It was an ongoing guessing game to figure out who he was on Texags.com.
Great- bring it on JF. A little criticism will do you a lot of good.
My guess is WalterWhite
ROTFLMAO!
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Just a little note of caution for all Browns fans both old timers here and new ones like me who are loyal to JFF.
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
So be careful who you insult. He will be a new poster just like the rest of us showing up here. It was an ongoing guessing game to figure out who he was on Texags.com.
You mean we should not call him Johnny Cum Lately?
(Actually, it would be very entertaining to have a player participate here...even anonymously)
I mean, one day he could even become as legendary as Zombo, or Ghoolie....or The Gipper thank you very much and others.
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Just a little note of caution for all Browns fans both old timers here and new ones like me who are loyal to JFF.
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
So be careful who you insult. He will be a new poster just like the rest of us showing up here. It was an ongoing guessing game to figure out who he was on Texags.com.
My guess is WalterWhite
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For the Die Hard Browns Fans-apologies for giving hope. We understand the pain it brings when you get it back only to have it dashed again and again and again.
MY hope is that this staff uses him as wisely as Seattle has used Russell Wilson. Teach him how to be a real pro QB, but don't squash that improvisational "It" factor that makes him unique.
Tom Landry did it with this guy some years ago for those of you who have never seen him play. He had that same scrambling "It" factor and Landry tamed it down to fit the pros witout losing "It",
That style can translate to the pros if done properly.
Yes, it "can", but how often has it really translated?
For me any comparison between Manziel and Staubach currently ends at the edge of the field. I remember Roger being a fully matured, confident, yet humble, man with four years of college and a 4-year(?) service stint before he took his first NFL snap. And then he spent the lion's share of his first 4-years on the bench behind Craig Morton. JM is still a kid with only 3-years of college and only 2 on the field. How long can you see him waiting?
I do agree 100% though that you cannot kill that in JM that makes him him.
As for the heartbreaks of the past... I think the impact of those on any JM skepticism is overestimated. Attributing skepticism to our damaged psyche is more of a JM fan coping mechanism than a real thing. Sure there's a measure of cumulative frustration, but I'd maintain that it manifests itself more as hope for JM than skepticism of him.
But regardless, it's a pleasure disagreeing with you, Sir...
It is well known that Johnny actually participates as an anonymous poster on the best A&M boards and will likely do the same on the best Browns boards like this one.
While I could care less whether he posts here or not, I am curious as to why he would choose to be anonymous.
Then again... come to think of it... I am anonymous, too...
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