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  • @everlastingxxx said:

    So who do you think starts against the Steelers? Since you are so high on this Hoyer guy, make a prediction.

    That Hoyer guy.

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    So who do you think starts against the Steelers? Since you are so high on this Hoyer guy, make a prediction.

    i think it depends on who wins the job right? listen as much as some of us like to bust balls our ultimate goal as browns fans is for our team to win. if it's a toss up between hoyer and manziel i'm thinking the coaching staff defers to hoyer just cuz he has been there and they're not just throwing manziel into a high pressure situation he's never been in before. (yeah i know he's done it in HS and college blah blah blah) that just makes sense doesn't it?

    now if manziel goes into training camp and blows the doors off and is head and shoulders above hoyer then i think you have to say F it and roll the dice. deal with the consequences then. if he starts and plays balls to the wall then we'll have a new king in cleveland. if he chokes, pull him and let him learn slowly. hopefully he won't be shell shocked. and before you jump down my throat i'm not saying he would joke or will choke i'm just trying to lay out different scenarios that could happen. i'm not dissing JF. hell we spent another #22 pick on a QB. any true browns' fan is hoping like hell that this FO has made the right choice in EACH and EVERY draft pick.

  • T TexasAg1969

    miktoxic-"hmmmmmm. wasn't the kid falling into the 2nd round?"

    Not really. The Browns realized several teams were trying to maneuver into that #22 spot to take him. They just made a better offer. They didn't go up there just because Johnny asked them to. It makes for a good story, but no one makes that choice because a player asks. They make it to help their team win and to not let him slip away to someone else. Minn. made the same decision to beat Houston to Bridgewater before he went to them at the top of the second round.

    @texasag1969 said:

    The Browns realized several teams were trying to maneuver into that #22 spot to take him.

    Haven't visited other thread where you originally inferred what you are now openly claiming. Maybe there you ID'd more teams than than the Vikes and us "trying to maneuver" for JM.

    @hoppy said:

    Of course he needs to earn the job, but lets be real here for a moment, he isn't competing with Peyton Manning... he is competing with a guy who is a former undrafted free agent, who has been cut by New England, Pittsburgh, and Arizona, has only started four games in his career... and that was before he blew his knee out.

    None of which matters since as of now our HC has labeled Hoyer "the starter".

    @hoorta said:

    ... I wouldn't be the least surprised if the Browns get the Hard Knocks gig. I'd hope Pettine overrules him on that one.

    Can't see that being Pettine's call, but to allow Hard Knocks would be wildly inconsistent with the stance the organization has taken in barring the National media from the current rookie mini.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • timpikerT timpiker

    I read it. Used to be called YELLOW JOURNALISM. All the more reason to BAN ESPN.

    @timpiker said:

    I read it. Used to be called YELLOW JOURNALISM. All the more reason to BAN ESPN.

    ESPN has become the "individualism" network, and it gets annoying.

    Tiger, Kobe, Farve, Tebow, Peyton, Vick, Brady,A-Rod, LeBron, etc....it never ends. The only teams they seem to care about are the Yankees & Red Sox. Maybe Alabama football too.

    I don't know who our QB will be after training camp, but our recent history vs Pittsburgh ('99-'13), and Dick LaBeau defensive schemes may not bode well for any rookie. Maybe JF is cocky enough to overcome that, but I doubt it.

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  • @everlastingxxx said:

    So who do you think starts against the Steelers? Since you are so high on this Hoyer guy, make a prediction.

    We have... there's a poll. As of my writing this it's just shy of 2:1 Hoyer.

    http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29250

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • It takes time to develop a pro qb as a rookie. There's

    tons of stuff to learn, then a lot of time

    learning OJT about timing, etc.

    I figure Hoyer definately starts.

    Manziel's time will come and he'll be ready.

  • FYI this is the JFF your getting not the guy in Skip's hit piece.

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/video_johnny_manziels_press_co.html

    As for the starter-backup stuff it's way overblown. Johnny had to sit his freshman year and fight for the job with a good QB to win it his second. He knows the deal.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    The Browns realized several teams were trying to maneuver into that #22 spot to take him.

    Haven't visited other thread where you originally inferred what you are now openly claiming. Maybe there you ID'd more teams than than the Vikes and us "trying to maneuver" for JM.

    @hoppy said:

    Of course he needs to earn the job, but lets be real here for a moment, he isn't competing with Peyton Manning... he is competing with a guy who is a former undrafted free agent, who has been cut by New England, Pittsburgh, and Arizona, has only started four games in his career... and that was before he blew his knee out.

    None of which matters since as of now our HC has labeled Hoyer "the starter".

    @hoorta said:

    ... I wouldn't be the least surprised if the Browns get the Hard Knocks gig. I'd hope Pettine overrules him on that one.

    Can't see that being Pettine's call, but to allow Hard Knocks would be wildly inconsistent with the stance the organization has taken in barring the National media from the current rookie mini.

    @tour2ma said:

    Haven't visited other thread where you originally inferred what you are now openly claiming. Maybe there you ID'd more teams than than the Vikes and us "trying to maneuver" for JM.

    Can't find the original article but this one will do well enough: see #4 in this article. The one I found earlier implied possibly one more besides Cleveland & Minn. This article names K.C. as the unnamed team.

    http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/05/terrys_talkin_johnny_manziel_c.html

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  • @everlastingxxx said:

    So who do you think starts against the Steelers? Since you are so high on this Hoyer guy, make a prediction.

    Hoyer. At least the first three games. That's murderer's row- Steelers on the road, Saints and Ravens at home. People will be screaming for JF though. I don't care how good JF looks in the preseason. Brandon We-done had a 60 completion %, and a 99 qbr. when the games didn't count last year. 🙂 Really, if JF beats him out in training camp so be it, you don't draft a guy in the first round to be a backup. .

  • Aaron Rodgers was drafted number 24 in the first round.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @tour2ma said:

    Haven't visited other thread where you originally inferred what you are now openly claiming. Maybe there you ID'd more teams than than the Vikes and us "trying to maneuver" for JM.

    Can't find the original article but this one will do well enough: see #4 in this article. The one I found earlier implied possibly one more besides Cleveland & Minn. This article names K.C. as the unnamed team.

    http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/05/terrys_talkin_johnny_manziel_c.html

    @texasag1969 said:

    Can't find the original article but this one will do well enough: see #4 in this article. The one I found earlier implied possibly one more besides Cleveland & Minn. This article names K.C. as the unnamed team.

    So that's 2... 😉 Moving on...

    KC was suspected to be interested in JM. Surprised me when the other article said they were not.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    Can't find the original article but this one will do well enough: see #4 in this article. The one I found earlier implied possibly one more besides Cleveland & Minn. This article names K.C. as the unnamed team.

    So that's 2... 😉 Moving on...

    KC was suspected to be interested in JM. Surprised me when the other article said they were not.

    @tour2ma said:

    So that's 2... 😉 Moving on...

    KC was suspected to be interested in JM. Surprised me when the other article said they were not.

    @tour2ma said:

    So that's 2... 😉 Moving on...

    KC was suspected to be interested in JM. Surprised me when the other article said they were not.

    It only takes one ahead of us to lose out

  • T Taco918

    @everlastingxxx said:

    I have mixed feelings on how everything is being handled and i do fear that the coaching staff/gm is divided on Manziel. I dont have a problem with how the Browns are trying to slow things down a little but i dont like how they seem to be trying to embarrass him in public. The Browns owner is very vocal...i thought Jerry Jones only did stuff like that. The way everything has gone down has been messy and feels weird to me.

    Please tell me how they are embarrassing him. Act like a backup?

    They wouldn't have traded up in the draft if they were divided on him.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    @taco918 said:

    Please tell me how they are embarrassing him. Act like a backup?

    They wouldn't have traded up in the draft if they were divided on him.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    Actually, to me, telling him to "act like a backup" is merely a motivational tool. It tells him "nothing is being give to you, you have to earn the starting job". And I think they know him well enough to believe that he will respond to this.

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