Julio Jones Trade In Retrospect
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I think in the actual terms of the trade, we probably got a little less than value, but if we'd hit on those picks we'd all be saying how amazing they were.
Of course, you can cling on to the Richardson trade as getting us Manziel...but yeah, Julio Jones or Phil Taylor isn't a tough choice.
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There's a difference between "getting fleeced" and fleecing yourself.
We got great value for the pick.
That our then FO squandered much of that value on what many of us could see at the time were poor and/or overvalued prospects, e.g., TR and Wheezy, is a separate issue.
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The other question is what has Julio done for ATL? We should have been better in hind sight, but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good. I bet Atl would have liked to have some of those picks back as well.
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There's a difference between "getting fleeced" and fleecing yourself.
We got great value for the pick.
That our then FO squandered much of that value on what many of us could see at the time were poor and/or overvalued prospects, e.g., TR and Wheezy, is a separate issue.
There's a difference between "getting fleeced" and fleecing yourself.
We got great value for the pick.
That our then FO squandered much of that value on what many of us could see at the time were poor and/or overvalued prospects, e.g., TR and Wheezy, is a separate issue.
Right. At the time of the picks, I'm sure we were saying something along the lines of, "well, we got a beast DT, a great WR prospect in Little who has the size and makeup to good/great, a QB who has the ideal size/arm and is mature to make the transition to the pro game fast, and the consensus top impact RB in the draft."
I'm still fine with the trade as far as value of picks is concerned, but boy oh boy did the previous regimes miss big time on the players they drafted.
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I hate when people do this. Firstly, as it's been stated the Browns are the one who "fleeced" themselves. You can have a million draft picks and if you pick awful players it looks bad. Secondly, it's apples and oranges to say what Julio Jones could have been in Cleveland. Julio went to an established franchise QB with an arguable #1 WR in place in Roddy White. Jones would have come to an awful QB and no other playmakers for the Browns. Also, Jones is coming back from a serious injury so who knows how he might play.
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The other question is what has Julio done for ATL? We should have been better in hind sight, but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good. I bet Atl would have liked to have some of those picks back as well.
The other question is what has Julio done for ATL? We should have been better in hind sight, but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good. I bet Atl would have liked to have some of those picks back as well.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13982/julio-jones
Honestly, it's not as one sided as you would think. Yes, he has a lot of TD's and has been more productive than any WR the Browns have had in that time (except Gordon's season last year, obviously), but when you look at the Falcons' offense of having Matt Ryan throwing the ball to Julio, Roddy and Tony G, you have to think that Julio got a lot better looks than he would have if he was here.
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We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade.
In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118).
The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor.With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little.The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic.Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22).The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3).Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson.In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time.We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade.
In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118).
The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor.With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little.The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic.Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22).The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3).Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson.In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time.someone has always got to bring up the woulda shoulda coulda cards.
time to move on.
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The other question is what has Julio done for ATL? We should have been better in hind sight, but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good. I bet Atl would have liked to have some of those picks back as well.
but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good.
pretty good? the guy is the foundation of our DLine.
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but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good.
pretty good? the guy is the foundation of our DLine.
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but we do have Taylor still and he is pretty good.
pretty good? the guy is the foundation of our DLine.
pretty good? the guy is the foundation of our DLine.
Sorry, pretty good as in better then good, but not yet great. I was kinda going off of the Rubin stats of 9.0 sacks, 227 total tackles, 4 passes defended, 1 interception, 3 forced fumbles, and 1 fumble recovery in 5 years as a 6th round Nose tackle. Rubin has been pretty good also. I do hope we resign Taylor though. I watched him last training camp in Berea and he was fun to watch, funny guy.
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The trade was good at the time, but with the people that were running things, all the picks we got were bound to fail.
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If we would have taken Richard Sherman instead of Owen marecic, this wouldnt even be a discussion.
Bottom line is we squandered those picks and the trade was good one for us. Julio would have been a bust if he came here given our QB situation.
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Who gives a shit?
I mean it's not like you or I can change anything, so why moan about a bad deal like a little bitch?
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We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade.
In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118).
The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor.With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little.The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic.Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22).The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3).Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson.In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time.We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade.
In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118).
The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor.
With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little.
The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic.
Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22).
The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3).
Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson.
In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time.
I would also add that Richardson was traded for a first rounder that was used in conjunction with a third rounder to move up from #26(from INDY for Richardson) to acquire Mr. Johnny Football. So, all in all this ATL trade hasn't played itself out yet. If MANZIEL turns out to be the Franchise QB that we've been looking for over the course of over a decade then I'd say do it again.
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We now only have 1 player left on our roster from the 2011 Falcons trade.
In the 2011 Draft we traded away the #6 pick to the Falcons for three 2011 selections: the Falcons’ first-round pick (No. 27), the Falcons’ second-round pick (No. 59) and the Falcons’ fourth-round pick (No. 124). We also received the Falcons’ No. 1 pick in 2012 (No. 22) and their No. 4 pick in 2012 (No. 118).
The Browns moved up to No. 21 in the 2011 draft to take Taylor.
With the next pick from the Falcons (No. 59), the Browns took Little.
The final Atlanta pick of 2011 (No. 124) was used on fullback Owen Marecic.
Brandon Weeden was selected with the Falcon's 2012 first draft pick (No. 22).
The Falcons’ fourth-rounder (No. 118) was used in conjunction to trade up to get Richardson (No. 3).
Julio Jones or Taylor, Little, Marecic, Weeden, and Richardson.
In retrospect, we got FLEECED!!! In the end, it's what the Browns have done best for years, draft horribly. I still believe you take the stock pile of picks especially if you're a team that needs some rebuilding. But in this case, we lost out big time.
I would also add that Richardson was traded for a first rounder that was used in conjunction with a third rounder to move up from #26(from INDY for Richardson) to acquire Mr. Johnny Football. So, all in all this ATL trade hasn't played itself out yet. If MANZIEL turns out to be the Franchise QB that we've been looking for over the course of over a decade then I'd say do it again.
I would also add that Richardson was traded for a first rounder that was used in conjunction with a third rounder to move up from #26(from INDY for Richardson) to acquire Mr. Johnny Football. So, all in all this ATL trade hasn't played itself out yet. If MANZIEL turns out to be the Franchise QB that we've been looking for over the course of over a decade then I'd say do it again.
Amazing how a trade can still have an impact 3 years later
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There's a difference between "getting fleeced" and fleecing yourself.
We got great value for the pick.
That our then FO squandered much of that value on what many of us could see at the time were poor and/or overvalued prospects, e.g., TR and Wheezy, is a separate issue.
Right. At the time of the picks, I'm sure we were saying something along the lines of, "well, we got a beast DT, a great WR prospect in Little who has the size and makeup to good/great, a QB who has the ideal size/arm and is mature to make the transition to the pro game fast, and the consensus top impact RB in the draft."
I'm still fine with the trade as far as value of picks is concerned, but boy oh boy did the previous regimes miss big time on the players they drafted.
Right. At the time of the picks, I'm sure we were saying something along the lines of, "well, we got a beast DT, a great WR prospect in Little who has the size and makeup to good/great, a QB who has the ideal size/arm and is mature to make the transition to the pro game fast, and the consensus top impact RB in the draft."
I'm still fine with the trade as far as value of picks is concerned, but boy oh boy did the previous regimes miss big time on the players they drafted.
That's been the Browns #1 problem- horrible drafting in general since 1999.
If we would have taken Richard Sherman instead of Owen marecic, this wouldnt even be a discussion.
Bottom line is we squandered those picks and the trade was good one for us. Julio would have been a bust if he came here given our QB situation.
That was one of the monumental whiffs. Spurgon Wynn or Tom Brady?
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If we would have taken Richard Sherman instead of Owen marecic, this wouldnt even be a discussion.
Bottom line is we squandered those picks and the trade was good one for us. Julio would have been a bust if he came here given our QB situation.
If we would have taken Richard Sherman instead of Owen marecic, this wouldnt even be a discussion.
Bottom line is we squandered those picks and the trade was good one for us. Julio would have been a bust if he came here given our QB situation.
To be fair I didn't dislike the Marecic pick at the time. The guy was a Swiss Army knife player who played offense and defense in college. He looked like he had potential to be a solid ultility player but of course it didn't turn out that way.
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Isn't it time we let go of the pitiful drafting, coaching, general manager-ing past?
seriously.
We now have a 5 star GM, and a coaching staff that is the same.
This board isn't a time change thing. "Spring forward, Fall back" is time change.
Talking about our current Browns should be about moving forward. And that is
what the Browns are doing, bigtime. They know what pieces to the puzzle they need,
and if the pieces don't fit, they make a change.
But not a time change. I do NOT CARE about what the lizard-lipped, tuna-headed, kumquat-brained ratbirds, squeelers,
or boondoggles did, or do. I do NOT CARE about what all the fools did when they ran the Browns before.
Farmer and Pettine are very well respected across the NFL.They are nobody's fools. It shows in their veteran FA signings,
it shows in their moves in the draft, and it shows in how they are finally rebuilding this team to win. It shows in
their sense of humor, and their intelligent comments to the media.
They, apparently for the first time in recent Browns history, have a consistent, very, very, very smart philosophy about how to
build a winner, and they know the moves they need to make. I think if I were going to get a "Bighead" mural
for our computer room wall, it would be Farmer.
Maybe we need ONE, "poor, poor pitiful past" thread, and we can all get it out of our psyches.
And, so, lamenting the history of losers who ran the Browns before is (***CRAP***)2. (that's my contribution to lightening up on all the foul language on the board).
Further, I apologize to anyone who is offended, or feigns offense, by this post, but I had to get it out of the way,
because I have 2 or 3 hrs of rototilling the garden to do. It ordinarily wouldn't take so long, but we have permanent
walkways created between the planting rows now. And that's the way it is, here on the Brownsboard, in upbeat Calfoxland.
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Thumbs up cal. Much agreed with what you say, to many times when people say the Browns are at it again it pisses me off, because this is not the same Browns through and through as it was in the past. This is 2014 Browns. Hell, we even have a core value "Play like a Brown" now. We have Probowlers and young and up and coming talent at most key positions. Looks like we will be bulit to last now.
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