OTA Early Report (Which Means Nothing)
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I hope we see Thig start opening day.
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Ray Farmer: Hoyer is better than Manziel “by a substantial margin”Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2014, 4:24 PM EDTManzielAPThe humbling of Johnny Football continues.From telling him he’s a backup to reminding him he’s not in Hollywood to putting him at No. 3 on the depth chart for OTAs, the Browns have been trying to ensure that Johnny Manziel doesn’t realize that from the moment he was drafted he instantly became the most powerful man in Cleveland. G.M. Ray Farmer took it to a new level on Tuesday, explaining that, as of right now, the gap between Brian Hoyer and Manziel isn’t close.Via Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan, Farmer said on Bull & Fox that Hoyer is the better quarterback “by a substantial margin.”This doesn’t mean Manziel, who 13 days ago wasn’t even a member of the organization, can’t close the gap. But it shows that the Browns fully intend to park Manziel at the bottom and make him work his way to the top.Or at least to create the impression that he actually did work his way up from the bottom, even if he never really was as low as the team is making it out to be.
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Its all SMOKE. Its all SPIN. You don't trade up to take a QB and NOT believe he's the solution at QB. By week 4, he'll be the starter. It takes time to learn a system. Farmer is just playing games with the media. Right now we have 2 back up QB. And they are back ups. Without a sensational WR/TE duo last year no one saw coming, Those 4 games for Hoyer wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Bottom line: Whoever gives the best chance to win!
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jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
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jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
LMFAO!
Gotta love Mik.
Leave it to him to drop nuclear annihilation on a thread that pretty much went to shit in hurry....
Thanks Mik (and thats a genuine thanks)
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jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
That about sums it up...
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Only smoke and spin cause you don't like the content.
Its the right answer....right now.
By all account, Lil john is a smart cat....he will eventually learn. Hoyer has a few years on him though, and that's what pettine is speaking to. No amount of johnny love changes the facts that he isn't adept at reading defenses yet, or that he never had a play book till now.
He is better served to learn the tools that will enable him to succeed. While you think he's a god and will pick up all that info in a couple months, reality dictates it will take a bit longer. If you truly want him to succeed, calm the fuck down. You're preconceived notions of draft slot dictating starter status are purely the result of your fandom....not reality.
Start him when he's ready.....but not before. I want a QB to finally pan out rather than playing him before he's ready. If you don't realize he has some things to learn, you're in for a long season.
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You're going to make the JFF fan club suicidal.
You're going to make the JFF fan club suicidal.
Weeden also looked great last year during OTA's, training camp, and preseason.
It's when he saw his first blitz that the wheels started to fall off.
That's why even should JF play great in August- caution is needed as to how "ready " he is.
Let's face it--the national media only wants to report controversy. They're dying for him to say something that they can
spin as disrespect towards Hoyer and show that yes, there is a QB controversy in Cleveland. Whenever ESPN does a
report on Cleveland, you can see the barely concealed smirk and the subtext that the Browns will find a way to fuck this up.
It won't change until we start putting some ass-whippin's on other teams.
Nope, it's because BSPN thinks the Browns aren't giving one of the biggest hyped players in history his (to their mind) proper respect.
@walterwhite said:
I think it's pretty ridiculous how bad Manziel's haters want to see him fail. Obviously they have personal anger and envy issues.
FWIW, Hoyer has looked WAY better so far in OTA's according to the brass, he got a head start and is the starter at this point. Good.
Johnny still has to learn our playbook, the reads, get consistent, learn timing, and moving about the pocket.
But all these guys wanting to see him fail are fucking pathetic losers.
...I really do think Hoyer starts the season and he looks crisp as fuck according to people at the OTA's
He has a quick release and serious zip and if Brian Hoyer becomes the Browns starting QB and leads us to the promise land, you're looking at his biggest fan.
But these fucking BABIES wanting to see Manzie or any Browns players l fail have mental and jealousy issues.
I think you're being ridiculous Walter. There may be folks that want to see Manziel fail, but I can damn guarantee you there aren't any Browns fans on this board with that mindset. There certainly were people that questioned his ability to transition to the NFL pre draft- and it wasn't just me either- it was more than a couple of GMs. Don't forget a bunch of qb needy teams had the chance to draft JF, and said "no thanks". If you're a Browns fan and want to see a first round pick flop, turn in your fan card, and get out of here.
Sounds like you don't know how to handle dissent, Walter. I've seen maybe 3 people across 4 boards vehemently despise johnny. You're hyperbole is just sad, cause it suggests you're not paying attention to reality.
But that what kids do nowadays....live life in a bubble.
^+1 The Browns are handling Manziel Mania quite well, IMHO- too bad BSPN doesn't like it.
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Lovingly Gay said:
I'm really curious. Exactly how do you know this when he hasn't taken a single snap in an NFL game? Remember some of these guys?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/photos/7001/nfl-draft-quarterbacks-first-round-busts/1/
But dude, they weren't Johnny Mother F-------ing Football.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
jesus christ some of you 'guys' are amazing. i highlight the word guys because i think half of you are still in the closet.
the report says manziel is taking 3rd string snaps and hoyer looks good. so? WTF? not even training camp. it's a fucking bullshit workout session.
you REALLY are going to get all bent out of shape aren't you if JF doesn't start a game this year? so much for putting the team first you fugging faggots.
and as far as bridgewater is concerned. FUCK HIM! what is done is done if you don't like it become a fuggin viking fan. fuck thigpen too.
AMEN!
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Fuck Hoyer. Dude is a 30 year old with shit stats and a handful of starts
Oh, he's from Cleveland? Must be great.
Guy sucks a bag of dicks.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Jags have already declared they are sitting Bortles this year to learn. Browns are saying this is a QB starter competition. Patience young Padawans. Don't throw your Johnny Hero to the fire already. Give the kid a break and if he's all that, he'll come into his own.
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@douche-nozzle said:
The problem is that the media and fans of Cleveland can only think "NOW", and previous ownership and front offices were just a figurehead bowing to the rantings of the media and fans.
You are giving too much credit... evidence of "thinking" is sorely lacking.
According to ESPN the current organization will bow to fan pressure... laughable.
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Johnny Football is the greatest QB to ever play the game... I am sure he is just rusty.... yeah, rusty.
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Johnny Football is the greatest QB to ever play the game... I am sure he is just rusty.... yeah, rusty.
Johnny Football is the greatest QB to ever play the game... I am sure he is just rusty.... yeah, rusty.
Dude, you're sounding like a real pussy lately.
You bitching about Manziel is almost enough for me to become a JF homerboy.
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Ray Farmer: Hoyer is better than Manziel “by a substantial margin”Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2014, 4:24 PM EDTManzielAPThe humbling of Johnny Football continues.From telling him he’s a backup to reminding him he’s not in Hollywood to putting him at No. 3 on the depth chart for OTAs, the Browns have been trying to ensure that Johnny Manziel doesn’t realize that from the moment he was drafted he instantly became the most powerful man in Cleveland. G.M. Ray Farmer took it to a new level on Tuesday, explaining that, as of right now, the gap between Brian Hoyer and Manziel isn’t close.Via Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan, Farmer said on Bull & Fox that Hoyer is the better quarterback “by a substantial margin.”This doesn’t mean Manziel, who 13 days ago wasn’t even a member of the organization, can’t close the gap. But it shows that the Browns fully intend to park Manziel at the bottom and make him work his way to the top.Or at least to create the impression that he actually did work his way up from the bottom, even if he never really was as low as the team is making it out to be.
Ray Farmer: Hoyer is better than Manziel “by a substantial margin”Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2014, 4:24 PM EDTManzielAPThe humbling of Johnny Football continues.From telling him he’s a backup to reminding him he’s not in Hollywood to putting him at No. 3 on the depth chart for OTAs, the Browns have been trying to ensure that Johnny Manziel doesn’t realize that from the moment he was drafted he instantly became the most powerful man in Cleveland. G.M. Ray Farmer took it to a new level on Tuesday, explaining that, as of right now, the gap between Brian Hoyer and Manziel isn’t close.Via Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan, Farmer said on Bull & Fox that Hoyer is the better quarterback “by a substantial margin.”This doesn’t mean Manziel, who 13 days ago wasn’t even a member of the organization, can’t close the gap. But it shows that the Browns fully intend to park Manziel at the bottom and make him work his way to the top.Or at least to create the impression that he actually did work his way up from the bottom, even if he never really was as low as the team is making it out to be.Look at the bright side...
We built QB depth this year. We got the backup QB of the future.
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Posted this on the JF tread. This morning in a live interview Pettine said he, "Will not let T-shirt sales determine who the starting QB is." or at least words close enough to that effect.
I may be a JF fan but I am also a Pettine fan and I like how he is handling this as a HC. He made it clear he starts the best player on opening day and that we are light years from that decision. He also made it clear he was fully aware JF was thinking through the playbook during the first OTA and he expected the inconsistency. He also made it clear he saw enough of the flash to realize that once JF had it as second nature, we would see a real talented player emerge.
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Posted this on the JF tread. This morning in a live interview Pettine said he, "Will not let T-shirt sales determine who the starting QB is." or at least words close enough to that effect.
I may be a JF fan but I am also a Pettine fan and I like how he is handling this as a HC. He made it clear he starts the best player on opening day and that we are light years from that decision. He also made it clear he was fully aware JF was thinking through the playbook during the first OTA and he expected the inconsistency. He also made it clear he saw enough of the flash to realize that once JF had it as second nature, we would see a real talented player emerge.
Posted this on the JF tread. This morning in a live interview Pettine said he, "Will not let T-shirt sales determine who the starting QB is." or at least words close enough to that effect.
I may be a JF fan but I am also a Pettine fan and I like how he is handling this as a HC. He made it clear he starts the best player on opening day and that we are light years from that decision. He also made it clear he was fully aware JF was thinking through the playbook during the first OTA and he expected the inconsistency. He also made it clear he saw enough of the flash to realize that once JF had it as second nature, we would see a real talented player emerge.
Clearly you are not enough of a JM fan and therefore must hate him...
You are being waaaay too reasonable...
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