underclassmen
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Arm strength anyone??? Will go very high in the draft...........
I personally think is the best QB in this draft
Wow! That was a freakin rope. However, after seeing Graham Harrell and the kid from Missouri playing outside of that Big 12 - I'm not sure I trust the numbers any of them posted. Bradford suddenly looked stoppable out of conference too.
Of the QBs, I like Sanchez the best. He absolutely shredded the Big 10's best 2 defenses. I think there's ALOT of upside with him if he doesn't get rushed into a starting role before he is ready on a horrible team.
- Tom F.
Wow! That was a freakin rope. However, after seeing Graham Harrell and the kid from Missouri playing outside of that Big 12 - I'm not sure I trust the numbers any of them posted. Bradford suddenly looked stoppable out of conference too.
Of the QBs, I like Sanchez the best. He absolutely shredded the Big 10's best 2 defenses. I think there's ALOT of upside with him if he doesn't get rushed into a starting role before he is ready on a horrible team.
- Tom F.
Flugs,,, Freeman will make your jaw drop standing next to stafford....not even close as far as arm strength , body and even quicks...Very few here have seen him play because he's a big 12 guy...but It wouldn't surprise me if went #3 to KC
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Wow! That was a freakin rope. However, after seeing Graham Harrell and the kid from Missouri playing outside of that Big 12 - I'm not sure I trust the numbers any of them posted. Bradford suddenly looked stoppable out of conference too.
Of the QBs, I like Sanchez the best. He absolutely shredded the Big 10's best 2 defenses. I think there's ALOT of upside with him if he doesn't get rushed into a starting role before he is ready on a horrible team.
- Tom F.
Flugs,,, Freeman will make your jaw drop standing next to stafford....not even close as far as arm strength , body and even quicks...Very few here have seen him play because he's a big 12 guy...but It wouldn't surprise me if went #3 to KC
Flugs,,, Freeman will make your jaw drop standing next to stafford....not even close as far as arm strength , body and even quicks...Very few here have seen him play because he's a big 12 guy...but It wouldn't surprise me if went #3 to KC
Kordell Stewart, Kyle Boller, Derek Anderson, Patrick Ramsey, Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer all had arm strength. But when some kids go from a conference of NO defense to facing complex NFL defenses led by Dick LeBeau or Ed Reed what tends to happen? You can hear one of the Lennon's singing "Nobody Told Me There'd be Days These." And we be saying "Oh no!" Not to be confused with Ono.
- Tom F
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Flugs,,, Freeman will make your jaw drop standing next to stafford....not even close as far as arm strength , body and even quicks...Very few here have seen him play because he's a big 12 guy...but It wouldn't surprise me if went #3 to KC
Kordell Stewart, Kyle Boller, Derek Anderson, Patrick Ramsey, Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer all had arm strength. But when some kids go from a conference of NO defense to facing complex NFL defenses led by Dick LeBeau or Ed Reed what tends to happen? You can hear one of the Lennon's singing "Nobody Told Me There'd be Days These." And we be saying "Oh no!" Not to be confused with Ono.
- Tom F
Kordell Stewart, Kyle Boller, Derek Anderson, Patrick Ramsey, Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer all had arm strength. But when some kids go from a conference of NO defense to facing complex NFL defenses led by Dick LeBeau or Ed Reed what tends to happen? You can hear one of the Lennon's singing "Nobody Told Me There'd be Days These." And we be saying "Oh no!" Not to be confused with Ono.
- Tom F
Joe Flacco???
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I guess nobaody is that high on Coffee
Depends on how many cups I've had. MOST of these kids we debate I haven't seen enough of to give you a fair answer or assessment on.
Give me your favorite 4 for each of the following positions: RBs, WRs, ILBers, OLBers, DEs (3-4 types).
Highlight Youtubes are highly welcomesd and greatly appreciated.
- Tom F.
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I guess nobaody is that high on Coffee
Depends on how many cups I've had. MOST of these kids we debate I haven't seen enough of to give you a fair answer or assessment on.
Give me your favorite 4 for each of the following positions: RBs, WRs, ILBers, OLBers, DEs (3-4 types).
Highlight Youtubes are highly welcomesd and greatly appreciated.
- Tom F.
Depends on how many cups I've had. MOST of these kids we debate I haven't seen enough of to give you a fair answer or assessment on.
Give me your favorite 4 for each of the following positions: RBs, WRs, ILBers, OLBers, DEs (3-4 types).
Highlight Youtubes are highly welcomesd and greatly appreciated.
- Tom F.
RB: Wells , McCoy, Moreno, Greene
WR: Crabtree, Macklin , Nicks, Iglesias
ILB: Rey, Ellerbe , J laurenitis, beckwith,
OLB: Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, Maybin
De : Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Everette Brown, And Johnson kid from GT
my fav: Rey in 1st, McCoy falls inexplicably to us in second(dream).........If we don't go Rb in second I want Coffee in fourth!!
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Depends on how many cups I've had. MOST of these kids we debate I haven't seen enough of to give you a fair answer or assessment on.
Give me your favorite 4 for each of the following positions: RBs, WRs, ILBers, OLBers, DEs (3-4 types).
Highlight Youtubes are highly welcomesd and greatly appreciated.
- Tom F.
RB: Wells , McCoy, Moreno, Greene
WR: Crabtree, Macklin , Nicks, Iglesias
ILB: Rey, Ellerbe , J laurenitis, beckwith,
OLB: Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, Maybin
De : Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Everette Brown, And Johnson kid from GT
my fav: Rey in 1st, McCoy falls inexplicably to us in second(dream).........If we don't go Rb in second I want Coffee in fourth!!
RB: Wells , McCoy, Moreno, Greene
WR: Crabtree, Macklin , Nicks, Iglesias
ILB: Rey, Ellerbe , J laurenitis, beckwith,
OLB: Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, Maybin
De : Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Everette Brown, And Johnson kid from GT
my fav: Rey in 1st, McCoy falls inexplicably to us in second(dream).........If we don't go Rb in second I want Coffee in fourth!!
first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
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RB: Wells , McCoy, Moreno, Greene
WR: Crabtree, Macklin , Nicks, Iglesias
ILB: Rey, Ellerbe , J laurenitis, beckwith,
OLB: Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, Maybin
De : Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Everette Brown, And Johnson kid from GT
my fav: Rey in 1st, McCoy falls inexplicably to us in second(dream).........If we don't go Rb in second I want Coffee in fourth!!
first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
Whatever dude Flugs asked ME who i thought MY favs were! McCoy is better than harrison and will be a steal if he finds his way to us in second! moreno will be as brittle as bush is! Put yours up.... then you can put Moreno first....
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RB: Wells , McCoy, Moreno, Greene
WR: Crabtree, Macklin , Nicks, Iglesias
ILB: Rey, Ellerbe , J laurenitis, beckwith,
OLB: Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, Maybin
De : Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Everette Brown, And Johnson kid from GT
my fav: Rey in 1st, McCoy falls inexplicably to us in second(dream).........If we don't go Rb in second I want Coffee in fourth!!
first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
What the fk does that have anything to do with my top 4 at those positions??? did I say anything at all about 20 carry back or knock out guy???
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first off moreno is the best rb in the draft but we cant take mcCoy we already have a imilar back in harrison and mcCoy isnt a 20 caryy back thats the knock on the guy .
Whatever dude Flugs asked ME who i thought MY favs were! McCoy is better than harrison and will be a steal if he finds his way to us in second! moreno will be as brittle as bush is! Put yours up.... then you can put Moreno first....
Whatever dude Flugs asked ME who i thought MY favs were! McCoy is better than harrison and will be a steal if he finds his way to us in second! moreno will be as brittle as bush is! Put yours up.... then you can put Moreno first....
Thanks for posting your favorite for each of those positions Solon. Love your RBs! The WR Nicks/Nix from North Carolina is supposed to be a GEM from things I've heard. Pretty good list - I'm not doing a good enough sales job with Harvin on anyone but that kid impressed me to no end.
I like your round 1 and round 2 ideas. Keep in mind Marlon Lucky will be a nice mid round steal at RB for someone too.
- Tom F.
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Whatever dude Flugs asked ME who i thought MY favs were! McCoy is better than harrison and will be a steal if he finds his way to us in second! moreno will be as brittle as bush is! Put yours up.... then you can put Moreno first....
Thanks for posting your favorite for each of those positions Solon. Love your RBs! The WR Nicks/Nix from North Carolina is supposed to be a GEM from things I've heard. Pretty good list - I'm not doing a good enough sales job with Harvin on anyone but that kid impressed me to no end.
I like your round 1 and round 2 ideas. Keep in mind Marlon Lucky will be a nice mid round steal at RB for someone too.
- Tom F.
Thanks for posting your favorite for each of those positions Solon. Love your RBs! The WR Nicks/Nix from North Carolina is supposed to be a GEM from things I've heard. Pretty good list - I'm not doing a good enough sales job with Harvin on anyone but that kid impressed me to no end.
I like your round 1 and round 2 ideas. Keep in mind Marlon Lucky will be a nice mid round steal at RB for someone too.
- Tom F.
i agree harvin is a special talent but what is he? a wr? a rb?....if it was up to me he'd be a RB. I'm not a huge fan of little wr's even with the likes of steve smith, santana moss, devin hester etc....though great... these guys have been fit into there respective systems nicely....I haven't seen one Brown HC fit guys like this into a "system" dating back to metcalf up the middle. I'd prefer Bigger wr's in The weather like we have in Cleveland where jump balls are of more value than little speed guys in the mud,rain and snow....Just my preferences i guess. just like i have always wanted a PouNDER at RB and MLB....Brandon jacobs is a faster Kevin Mack! Rey maualuga is......... well there has never been ANYONE to compare him with in Browns history.....You get my drift!
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Thanks for posting your favorite for each of those positions Solon. Love your RBs! The WR Nicks/Nix from North Carolina is supposed to be a GEM from things I've heard. Pretty good list - I'm not doing a good enough sales job with Harvin on anyone but that kid impressed me to no end.
I like your round 1 and round 2 ideas. Keep in mind Marlon Lucky will be a nice mid round steal at RB for someone too.
- Tom F.
i agree harvin is a special talent but what is he? a wr? a rb?....if it was up to me he'd be a RB. I'm not a huge fan of little wr's even with the likes of steve smith, santana moss, devin hester etc....though great... these guys have been fit into there respective systems nicely....I haven't seen one Brown HC fit guys like this into a "system" dating back to metcalf up the middle. I'd prefer Bigger wr's in The weather like we have in Cleveland where jump balls are of more value than little speed guys in the mud,rain and snow....Just my preferences i guess. just like i have always wanted a PouNDER at RB and MLB....Brandon jacobs is a faster Kevin Mack! Rey maualuga is......... well there has never been ANYONE to compare him with in Browns history.....You get my drift!
i agree harvin is a special talent but what is he? a wr? a rb?....if it was up to me he'd be a RB. I'm not a huge fan of little wr's
Harvin is a WR at the NFL level with an ability to offer up versatility. That doesn't need to be a negative. Haven't we tinkered with Cribbs at RB and contemplated more of this for 2009? The MORE a guy can offer - the more valuable he becomes IMO. The guy had 19 rushing TDs and 13 receiving TDs in just 3 years on campus. For a team that couldn't light up a scoreboard very much in 2008 - I'm wondering why people would rather have this guy fall to more talented offensive rosters.
Percy Harvin is Terry Glenn with a 450 pound bench press and better gears. More specifically, he's Joey Galloway with a BETTER college career. Maybe Santonio Holmes is the best parallel. He can socre returning punts like he did to Baltimore or he can take over the Superbowl at crunch time like Percy Harvin did to Oklahoma in the National Championship. We got room for that kind of special - trust me. Put that on the other side of Edwards and yowsa!
Harvin is listed at 5-11 and 195 pounds by ESPN as a 20 year old junior
Try to remember what the 5'10" 181 pound Eddie Royal did to the NFL and us in his rookie season. That's a pretty freakin nice weapon to have. We pretty much had the Denver game in check before Eddie Royal ruined the entire night on 1 play we fell asleep at the wheel on. We don't HAVE this type of playmaker on the roster right now.
- Tom F. (When I hear a guy is a gym rat that wants to be #1 in the weight room and THE goto guy in the plan of attack, I likey-likey)
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i agree harvin is a special talent but what is he? a wr? a rb?....if it was up to me he'd be a RB. I'm not a huge fan of little wr's
Harvin is a WR at the NFL level with an ability to offer up versatility. That doesn't need to be a negative. Haven't we tinkered with Cribbs at RB and contemplated more of this for 2009? The MORE a guy can offer - the more valuable he becomes IMO. The guy had 19 rushing TDs and 13 receiving TDs in just 3 years on campus. For a team that couldn't light up a scoreboard very much in 2008 - I'm wondering why people would rather have this guy fall to more talented offensive rosters.
Percy Harvin is Terry Glenn with a 450 pound bench press and better gears. More specifically, he's Joey Galloway with a BETTER college career. Maybe Santonio Holmes is the best parallel. He can socre returning punts like he did to Baltimore or he can take over the Superbowl at crunch time like Percy Harvin did to Oklahoma in the National Championship. We got room for that kind of special - trust me. Put that on the other side of Edwards and yowsa!
Harvin is listed at 5-11 and 195 pounds by ESPN as a 20 year old junior
Try to remember what the 5'10" 181 pound Eddie Royal did to the NFL and us in his rookie season. That's a pretty freakin nice weapon to have. We pretty much had the Denver game in check before Eddie Royal ruined the entire night on 1 play we fell asleep at the wheel on. We don't HAVE this type of playmaker on the roster right now.
- Tom F. (When I hear a guy is a gym rat that wants to be #1 in the weight room and THE goto guy in the plan of attack, I likey-likey)
Harvin is a WR at the NFL level with an ability to offer up versatility. That doesn't need to be a negative. Haven't we tinkered with Cribbs at RB and contemplated more of this for 2009? The MORE a guy can offer - the more valuable he becomes IMO. The guy had 19 rushing TDs and 13 receiving TDs in just 3 years on campus. For a team that couldn't light up a scoreboard very much in 2008 - I'm wondering why people would rather have this guy fall to more talented offensive rosters.
Percy Harvin is Terry Glenn with a 450 pound bench press and better gears. More specifically, he's Joey Galloway with a BETTER college career. Maybe Santonio Holmes is the best parallel. He can socre returning punts like he did to Baltimore or he can take over the Superbowl at crunch time like Percy Harvin did to Oklahoma in the National Championship. We got room for that kind of special - trust me. Put that on the other side of Edwards and yowsa!
Harvin is listed at 5-11 and 195 pounds by ESPN as a 20 year old junior
Try to remember what the 5'10" 181 pound Eddie Royal did to the NFL and us in his rookie season. That's a pretty freakin nice weapon to have. We pretty much had the Denver game in check before Eddie Royal ruined the entire night on 1 play we fell asleep at the wheel on. We don't HAVE this type of playmaker on the roster right now.
- Tom F. (When I hear a guy is a gym rat that wants to be #1 in the weight room and THE goto guy in the plan of attack, I likey-likey)
AT #5?????
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Harvin is a WR at the NFL level with an ability to offer up versatility. That doesn't need to be a negative. Haven't we tinkered with Cribbs at RB and contemplated more of this for 2009? The MORE a guy can offer - the more valuable he becomes IMO. The guy had 19 rushing TDs and 13 receiving TDs in just 3 years on campus. For a team that couldn't light up a scoreboard very much in 2008 - I'm wondering why people would rather have this guy fall to more talented offensive rosters.
Percy Harvin is Terry Glenn with a 450 pound bench press and better gears. More specifically, he's Joey Galloway with a BETTER college career. Maybe Santonio Holmes is the best parallel. He can socre returning punts like he did to Baltimore or he can take over the Superbowl at crunch time like Percy Harvin did to Oklahoma in the National Championship. We got room for that kind of special - trust me. Put that on the other side of Edwards and yowsa!
Harvin is listed at 5-11 and 195 pounds by ESPN as a 20 year old junior
Try to remember what the 5'10" 181 pound Eddie Royal did to the NFL and us in his rookie season. That's a pretty freakin nice weapon to have. We pretty much had the Denver game in check before Eddie Royal ruined the entire night on 1 play we fell asleep at the wheel on. We don't HAVE this type of playmaker on the roster right now.
- Tom F. (When I hear a guy is a gym rat that wants to be #1 in the weight room and THE goto guy in the plan of attack, I likey-likey)
AT #5?????
AT #5?????
Who was #1 in the Country? In order to WIN the national championship, WHO was the goto guy in Florida's game plans vrs Alabama AND Oklahoma? It was Percy Harvin.
That being the case, what kid would Oklahoma inform you was MUCH tougher to stop - Crabtree or Harvin? In fact, Harvin was a matchup nightmare for Ohio State when he was just a wide eyed freshman with Chris Leaks tossing him the ball. The kid has been an important part of 2 National Championship game plans. What's NOT to love about this kid? He averaged 13 TDs a year - you don't think we have room for him at #5 if we ain't going defense first?
Don't underestimate the fitness he'll bring to Indy. I'm telling you before his bandwagon gets rolling AFTER Indy or his private workout. 32 teams are sending scouts there to look for guys that can run in the 4.2s. Let's say he does this and then he tosses up 225 pounds as many times as a guy maxing out 450 can do - are we gonna see stock up or stock down? Joey Galloway didn't have the college career Harvin had but he ran 4.2s and he was rumored to bench press over 400 pounds so nobody cared if he was only 5'10" tall. You also realize that Terry Glenn AND Santonio Holmes are only 5'11" tall right? That doesn't matter if it's on the right player.
My vision of Harvin is him turning a short pass vrs a zone blitz into a LONG TD for a refreshing change. We're NEVER going to beat a zone blitz remaining content with being slower than Pitt's secondary. Count our TDs against them this year and let me know when you get to #1.
Even BETTER is harvin received GREAT offensive coaching in the 3 years he helped his team win 2 National Championships. When I hear a superstar wants to be #1 in the weight room too - I get flashbacks to Greg Pruitt and I'm all warm and fuzzy. Can't help it - gotta HAVE it!
- Tom F. (We once had Tomlinson on our doorstep with a #3 overall pick but the braintrust didn't want a guy with heart and dedication. They couldn't get past 5'8' tall because they were MORE wrong for us than Tomlinson. End result? We got a 325 pound Tin Man with a large signing bonus instead of a heart.)
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so the short of it is yes at #5 overall in the first round......
We need a playmaker on O...no doubt. May be the best playmaker in the draft. Personally want a freakin Linebacker worth a damn.so the short of it is yes at #5 overall in the first round......
We need a playmaker on O...no doubt. May be the best playmaker in the draft. Personally want a freakin Linebacker worth a damn.We're more in-line than you think. My #1 is still Curry (1B is still Rey). There's good chances 1 will be gone and the other won't be considered at 5 so I'm trying to remain openminded to some other X-factors we'll have on our doorstep. There's some guys I really like, there's some guys I haven't seen enough of and there's some I think are gettign way overrated.
If our defensive solutions are off the table and we go offense - I'd have to get creative to like anyone more than I like Harvin for us for the reasons I spoke of. He's what they look for in Indy. 4.2 forties and Conan with the barbells. After they see what they like - then they ask "can he play though?" Then we understand his resume reads as follows: Urban Meyer's Offensive Game Plan Weapon of choice for 2 National Championship Ws in his 3 year career with an average of 13 TDs per season. This was in a much better defensive conference than the Big 12. If this kid was in the Big 12, he'd prolly average about 18-20 TDs a year.
WHY do I choose him over Crabtree? Because like Oklahoma could inform everyone: "They could stop Crabtree dead in his tracks; but they're still looking at the back of Harvin's cleats and jersey." The OTHER reason is our offense didn't have enough weapons to score an offensive TD in the final 6 weeks of the season. This guy can change a scoreboard from anywhere on the field in 9 seconds or less. Before people JUMP to Mel Kiper and Todd McShay conclusions - just remember Urban Meyer isn't a stupid football guy. There was a time when all of the draft gurus said you do NOT draft a Randy Moss in the top 5 so he went 21st overall. Were they right? The team that landed him went 15-1 with a 37 year old Randall Cunningham throwing him passes.
I'd rather have pure speed opposite Braylon Edwards instead of a mirror image of Braylon Edwards. I think Harvin would bring better chemistry. The Minnesota Viking got pure speed in Moss opposite of Cris Carter, which made Carter even better. I'm not sure the SAME chemistry would have unfolded if they drafted another possession guy with great hands. Moss' speed is what opened up matchup Heaven for Carter and gave Cunningham his career best passer ratings. That's what Braylon needs.
- Tom F.
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Watched the Oklahoma-Texas Tech game recently: they were triple-teaming Crabtree for most of the game, and he ended up with 6 catches for 62 yards. Oklahoma couldn't stop Harvin because you can't do that to an unconventional RB/WR in an offense with a lot of weapons (the QB being the biggest one).
To me, Harvin's the 3rd WR in this draft behind Crabtree and Maclin. Sure, his potential may match both of those guys, but he's not very refined as a receiver, has trouble breaking jams (despite his weight room strength), and has durability issues. He could end up being the best receiver, but he's also the most risky guy of the bunch.
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