OTA Early Report (Which Means Nothing)
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Here's a thought for the JF fanboys....if he is obviously "NFL ready" starting day one, then why did he not go #1 overall in the draft like Luck? Or like the Colts did, and ditched their previous season to draft him at #1? Or at least picked by Jags @ #3 instead of Bortles? Probably because no one sees him, at this point in time, as ready on day one.
I see Hoyer starting in Pittsburgh, and I hope he does well so JF can have more time to prepare rather than see him crash and burn being put out there too early. Seen that show enough already. I agree with everything Zombo said about JF. He was drafted in the 1st round to start eventually, when they feel he's ready. If he's ready on day one and shines...well then awesome that we got an immediate NFL ready QB without having to pick #1 or throw a season to get there.
If Hoyer is starting and doing great, with JF learning and knowing he's good enough to be starter someday and do great as well...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
If JF eventually beats out Hoyer but it's proven that Hoyer is still a capable QB...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
Put Thigpen's name in place anywhere above and ditto on the outcome. And then you even have a decent #3 QB somewhere in the mix as well? Must be nice.
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They won't start JFF in Pittsburgh, you can bank on that. He would have a target painted on his back. He would be blitzed continuously. He needs time, preferably a whole season, but I doubt he will get it. At least a few games to learn the system and the speed of the NFL.
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@everlastingxxx said:
You sound like an insecure douchebag. Of course i am here because of Manziel. I have posted that a few times. It’s not some grand revelation you are having. Why do i have to stop being a fan of JFF? Because you and your bolded comments says i should? Fuck you.
LOL, the Browns didn’t need to draft a QB. You are some piece of work my in the closet friend.
WHAT BOLD TYPEFACE UPSETS YOU??
the reason i din't think the browns needed to draft a QB is just my opinion. next year there'll be another fagboy that everyone will get all lathered up about that'll be just as good if not better than your joyboy. i guarantee you if johnny comes in and lays an egg and everyone says he's a flop people will start bringing up the fact that we should have drafted a WR at 22. and wait for the threads about the QBs next year. i'll give it to week number 8 depending on whether or not this season is gone yet or not.
i'm hoping that whoever starts kicks ass. god forbid if the chosen one shits the bed it'll be just another name on the back of a jersey. the best thing about that is you and all your little marys will be gone like a fart in the wind.
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Roster cuts coming soon?
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@walterwhite said:
Awwww... is baby upset we drafted Manziel?
awww, is Baby boy upset Haslam/Farmer/Pettine drafted their future QB
awww baby boy...
is baby boy upset Manziel is literally ripping Cleveland a new asshole of awesome?
baby boy, are you upset Manziel has it better than you?
awww baby boy, are you okay?
Baby boy, did Manziel just get drafted to be our future QB and it makes you mad?
awww baby boy..
Is that a Drake song?
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Standing in Shreveport in 2012. Surrounded by children, mothers and elderly. All well-to-do God Fearing Christian folk, cheering on the team but getting nervous. Then, on a 3rd and 20-30+, he breaks free, nobody touches him, 70+ yards to the end zone. As he is running and folks are holding their breath, with what seemed to be instinct, impulse, but feeling completely unconscious and involuntary, I shouted "That's Johnny Mother Fvcking Football!"
Did these proper folks, these families and Godly folk sneer? No sir, not a one. They cheered. The children, the parents, the gentiles, turn to this slightly embarrassed and intoxicated man, and cheer.
Johnny Mother Fvcing Football folks.
FYI, you don't have to obscure what you are saying here. It is OK to say "Johnny Mother Fucking Football".
FYI, you don't have to obscure what you are saying here. It is OK to say "Johnny Mother Fucking Football".
No, I was just drunk and said 'fvcking'
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Here's a thought for the JF fanboys....if he is obviously "NFL ready" starting day one, then why did he not go #1 overall in the draft like Luck? Or like the Colts did, and ditched their previous season to draft him at #1? Or at least picked by Jags @ #3 instead of Bortles? Probably because no one sees him, at this point in time, as ready on day one.
I see Hoyer starting in Pittsburgh, and I hope he does well so JF can have more time to prepare rather than see him crash and burn being put out there too early. Seen that show enough already. I agree with everything Zombo said about JF. He was drafted in the 1st round to start eventually, when they feel he's ready. If he's ready on day one and shines...well then awesome that we got an immediate NFL ready QB without having to pick #1 or throw a season to get there.
If Hoyer is starting and doing great, with JF learning and knowing he's good enough to be starter someday and do great as well...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
If JF eventually beats out Hoyer but it's proven that Hoyer is still a capable QB...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
Put Thigpen's name in place anywhere above and ditto on the outcome. And then you even have a decent #3 QB somewhere in the mix as well? Must be nice.
@everlastingxxx said:
Just amazes me. Fucking Johnny Manziel is on your team and you can’t stop creaming yourself about Hoyer. The guy has been released a million times. He is your typical journeyman backup. He is not a starter. He is not a franchise QB. He provided a spark to a team that desperately needed one. The offense under Weeden was lifeless. He is a Cleveland native...yes there is a bias there. I would have loved if the Cowboys or Texans would have drafted Manziel. Nonetheless, our Texas boy is in Cleveland and going to do some great things. I want to get on board before it happens...so i can say “i told you so”
That would be our point- you wouldn't be on this board if the Browns hadn't drafted JF. Yes we want him to succeed- for the Browns. Let's just say there's a significant portion of this Board that aren't ready to proclaim him the greatest thing since sliced bread and give him the keys to the city just yet.
@everlastingxxx said:
You said you are not full of insults, then right afterwards you insult me, lol. I think the Browns didn’t draft your pet QB so now you resent Manziel and get agitated by anyone who shows any exciting over the prospect of him starting. Not only that you have lumped every new member together. You assume and judge too much.
I think you guys who followed Manziel over from A&M are the guys with the obsession. Some have been more reasonable than others. Yup- the Browns didn't draft the guy I wanted- and it wasn't a qb. I'm over it. So far, Johnny has made a favorable impression on me saying and doing all the right things- it's been all of two weeks though.
Here's a thought for the JF fanboys....if he is obviously "NFL ready" starting day one, then why did he not go #1 overall in the draft like Luck? Or like the Colts did, and ditched their previous season to draft him at #1? Or at least picked by Jags @ #3 instead of Bortles? Probably because no one sees him, at this point in time, as ready on day one.
I see Hoyer starting in Pittsburgh, and I hope he does well so JF can have more time to prepare rather than see him crash and burn being put out there too early. Seen that show enough already. I agree with everything Zombo said about JF. He was drafted in the 1st round to start eventually, when they feel he's ready. If he's ready on day one and shines...well then awesome that we got an immediate NFL ready QB without having to pick #1 or throw a season to get there.
If Hoyer is starting and doing great, with JF learning and knowing he's good enough to be starter someday and do great as well...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
If JF eventually beats out Hoyer but it's proven that Hoyer is still a capable QB...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
Put Thigpen's name in place anywhere above and ditto on the outcome. And then you even have a decent #3 QB somewhere in the mix as well? Must be nice.
Exactly- the professional talent evaluators apparently thought less of JF than his fan club does. GMs have been been wrong in the past Rodgers, Montana, and Brady being the most glaring examples. If JF was as good as his fan club thinks he is, the Texans would either flat out drafted him #1 overall, or taken an RGIII type deal- it didn't happen. BTW, for the fanboys, the Browns supposedly offered the Colts their entire draft for Andrew Luck and got turned down.
It is really getting close to time to cull some of the new crop...
Training camp and preseason haven't even started yet.
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@mike-h said:
So many hurt egos.
So little to contribute...
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@mike-h said:
Legs kicked up, loving Hawaii. Been here for a week and you're still bitter.
Cheers
Hell ya, have you seen any us coast guard floating around? I have been trying to get there for 12 years now. Have fun!
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@everlastingxxx said:
Just amazes me. Fucking Johnny Manziel is on your team and you can’t stop creaming yourself about Hoyer. The guy has been released a million times. He is your typical journeyman backup. He is not a starter. He is not a franchise QB. He provided a spark to a team that desperately needed one. The offense under Weeden was lifeless. He is a Cleveland native...yes there is a bias there. I would have loved if the Cowboys or Texans would have drafted Manziel. Nonetheless, our Texas boy is in Cleveland and going to do some great things. I want to get on board before it happens...so i can say “i told you so”
That would be our point- you wouldn't be on this board if the Browns hadn't drafted JF. Yes we want him to succeed- for the Browns. Let's just say there's a significant portion of this Board that aren't ready to proclaim him the greatest thing since sliced bread and give him the keys to the city just yet.
@everlastingxxx said:
You said you are not full of insults, then right afterwards you insult me, lol. I think the Browns didn’t draft your pet QB so now you resent Manziel and get agitated by anyone who shows any exciting over the prospect of him starting. Not only that you have lumped every new member together. You assume and judge too much.
I think you guys who followed Manziel over from A&M are the guys with the obsession. Some have been more reasonable than others. Yup- the Browns didn't draft the guy I wanted- and it wasn't a qb. I'm over it. So far, Johnny has made a favorable impression on me saying and doing all the right things- it's been all of two weeks though.
Here's a thought for the JF fanboys....if he is obviously "NFL ready" starting day one, then why did he not go #1 overall in the draft like Luck? Or like the Colts did, and ditched their previous season to draft him at #1? Or at least picked by Jags @ #3 instead of Bortles? Probably because no one sees him, at this point in time, as ready on day one.
I see Hoyer starting in Pittsburgh, and I hope he does well so JF can have more time to prepare rather than see him crash and burn being put out there too early. Seen that show enough already. I agree with everything Zombo said about JF. He was drafted in the 1st round to start eventually, when they feel he's ready. If he's ready on day one and shines...well then awesome that we got an immediate NFL ready QB without having to pick #1 or throw a season to get there.
If Hoyer is starting and doing great, with JF learning and knowing he's good enough to be starter someday and do great as well...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
If JF eventually beats out Hoyer but it's proven that Hoyer is still a capable QB...what a fantastic QB situation to finally have in Cleveland.
Put Thigpen's name in place anywhere above and ditto on the outcome. And then you even have a decent #3 QB somewhere in the mix as well? Must be nice.
Exactly- the professional talent evaluators apparently thought less of JF than his fan club does. GMs have been been wrong in the past Rodgers, Montana, and Brady being the most glaring examples. If JF was as good as his fan club thinks he is, the Texans would either flat out drafted him #1 overall, or taken an RGIII type deal- it didn't happen. BTW, for the fanboys, the Browns supposedly offered the Colts their entire draft for Andrew Luck and got turned down.
It is really getting close to time to cull some of the new crop...
Training camp and preseason haven't even started yet.
Exactly- the professional talent evaluators apparently thought less of JF than his fan club does. GMs have been been wrong in the past Rodgers, Montana, and Brady being the most glaring examples. If JF was as good as his fan club thinks he is, the Texans would either flat out drafted him #1 overall, or taken an RGIII type deal- it didn't happen. BTW, for the fanboys, the Browns supposedly offered the Colts their entire draft for Andrew Luck and got turned down.
Training camp and preseason haven't even started yet.
If Rodgers was as good as he's proven to be, the San Francisco 49ers would have taken him #1 overall.
If Montana was as good as he proved to be, the Buffalo Bills would have taken him #1 overall.
If Brady was as good as he's proven to be, the Cleveland Browns would have taken him #1 overall.
The professional talent evaluators got those picks wrong. How can you take their word as gospel on Manziel, yet willingly admit they aren't perfect?
By the way, the guys who are professionals all had to start somewhere. They weren't born into their roles. There's not much that separates them from some of us, other than they know exactly what their respective coaches value. We, unfortunately, aren't privy to what is discussed behind closed doors.
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@mike-h said:
Legs kicked up, loving Hawaii. Been here for a week and you're still bitter.
And you're still deluded in Mikeyland...
Hawaii is great... been there... and hitched a ride back on a ship, the USS Comstock. Try getting a ticket on that ride.
I was wrong about one thing. When you said you'd not return to the board after your Hawaiian adventure, I said you be back.
Turns out you never left... such drama... truly pathetic.
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@mike-h said:
Have seen a coastie helo, but it's mostly squids everywhere. Love it here.
Are you active duty CG?
Yes, over 12 yrs
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hoota-"Johnny has made a favorable impression on me saying and doing all the right things- it's been all of two weeks though."
Don't be fooled. That isn't him yet. The one we know takes a big shot, jumps up in the hitter's face and tells him it damn sure ain't over yet. Then he gets that TD and writes an autograph for the hitter in the air and gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. He's brash and unafraid. That will help this team more than anything else in the long run.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think as an outsider, i came here thinking you guys were excited about the teams direction and instead there is an overall negative vibe. That has been a little surprising
The negative vibe stems from us real Browns fans that now have to endure the onslaught of Johnny Football fans, and everything that goes with it. We Browns fans don't care who's under center, as much as we care about winning. Hell, if you tell me JF never takes a snap for the Browns in the regular season because whatever QB that is starting is winning, I wouldn't give a second crap about JF. I hope for the Browns sake JF becomes the QB that all the Johnny lovers preach he will be, but only time will tell.
Go Browns, not Go Johnny.
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hawaii blows, literally.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I guess i dont understand the Browns mentality of i dont care who the QB is when the reason you are losing so much is because of who the starting QB is. Its like you guys dont understand what it takes to win in the NFL. Its like saying, i want to lose weight and i dont care how. Well losing weight it pretty easy, stop eating so much and exercise. Its not rocket science. Get a franchise QB = you win. I honestly believe most of you guys wouldnt know what a franchise QB looked liked if it smacked you in the face...and it has. You have been force feed shit so long you think everything tastes like shit.
No I don't think your getting this. We don't give a shit who the QB is, we just want them to win. The QB that does come in and win we will support. We've heard enough of the hype from the assumed "savior" (whether it be Couch, Quinn, McCoy, Weeden etc) that we're going to reserve our praise for a QB who actually produces, hence the reason so many here are cool with Hoyer starting the season (all he's done in a Browns uni is win.) Am I, and most of us rooting for Manziel to succeed? Of course, but we're not falling head over heels for the guy just because we drafted him. We've been down this road before. We hope for the best but expect the worst.
Does that make more sense?
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Exactly- the professional talent evaluators apparently thought less of JF than his fan club does. GMs have been been wrong in the past Rodgers, Montana, and Brady being the most glaring examples. If JF was as good as his fan club thinks he is, the Texans would either flat out drafted him #1 overall, or taken an RGIII type deal- it didn't happen. BTW, for the fanboys, the Browns supposedly offered the Colts their entire draft for Andrew Luck and got turned down.
Training camp and preseason haven't even started yet.
If Rodgers was as good as he's proven to be, the San Francisco 49ers would have taken him #1 overall.
If Montana was as good as he proved to be, the Buffalo Bills would have taken him #1 overall.
If Brady was as good as he's proven to be, the Cleveland Browns would have taken him #1 overall.
The professional talent evaluators got those picks wrong. How can you take their word as gospel on Manziel, yet willingly admit they aren't perfect?
By the way, the guys who are professionals all had to start somewhere. They weren't born into their roles. There's not much that separates them from some of us, other than they know exactly what their respective coaches value. We, unfortunately, aren't privy to what is discussed behind closed doors.
If Rodgers was as good as he's proven to be, the San Francisco 49ers would have taken him #1 overall.
If Montana was as good as he proved to be, the Buffalo Bills would have taken him #1 overall.
If Brady was as good as he's proven to be, the Cleveland Browns would have taken him #1 overall.
The professional talent evaluators got those picks wrong. How can you take their word as gospel on Manziel, yet willingly admit they aren't perfect?
By the way, the guys who are professionals all had to start somewhere. They weren't born into their roles. There's not much that separates them from some of us, other than they know exactly what their respective coaches value. We, unfortunately, aren't privy to what is discussed behind closed doors.
I never said I did- I've said elsewhere that objectively- JF wasn't in the the #1 overall franchise qb- in anyone's eyes. Well then TC- you had damn better hope about 8 other teams were dead wrong on Manziel- how's that for some reverse spin. Those guys break down 100s of hours of game film- that's their damn job- unlike the rest of us that have to work for a living at other professions.
hoota-"Johnny has made a favorable impression on me saying and doing all the right things- it's been all of two weeks though."
Don't be fooled. That isn't him yet. The one we know takes a big shot, jumps up in the hitter's face and tells him it damn sure ain't over yet. Then he gets that TD and writes an autograph for the hitter in the air and gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. He's brash and unafraid. That will help this team more than anything else in the long run.
It will help make guys like Joey Porter even more happy to be the first to lay a lick on Manziel that will get him carted off the field. With the notoriety, comes the target Ag. Manziel's is the biggest I can think of in recent memory- don't think BountyGate changed anything- teams will just be a hell of a lot more discreet about it. You can get away with crap like that in college- this is the NFL- the No Fun League. Pettine will warn him the first time the penalty happens, and bench him the second.
@everlastingxxx said:
Of course i wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for Manziel. I don’t know why that matters and why i need to apologize for that. Obsessed about Manziel? Sure, but i am obsessive about football matters in general. I would argue that most fans that post on message boards are on the obsessive side.
I am on game 14 i think, the Patriot game...i am trying to see from a Browns perspective. Trying to learn the team. Hell i just realized yesterday that Ward wasn’t on the team anymore, guy was a big playmaker last season.
I think as an outsider, i came here thinking you guys were excited about the teams direction and instead there is an overall negative vibe. That has been a little surprising but it’s probably similar to many of us old Cowboy fans that have grown frustrated and cynical. I think for me players like Manziel make football fun to watch. Being a football fan is suppose to be fun.
Read the SI article with JF on the cover. The local Cleveland paper ran a poll and 76% of the responders didn't want Manziel with the #4 pick. Cowboy's frustration isn't even in the same universe as the Browns. I posted earlier in this thread a picture of a guy wearing a jersey with the Brown's busted qbs since 1999. Some of us go way farther back than that. Hello- 2014 is the 50th anniversary of the last Browns Championship- so do the math on how old you'd have to be to remember it. and FWIW I do.
I'll give you credit if you want to learn about the team, but understand some of the old guys caution- we've been let down dozens of times by "the next great thing". Great college stats? Check. See McCoy, Colt. Heisman winner? One thing you'll learn in a hurry here is a bunch of us are also serious Ohio State fans- so we know a thing or two about college football. In my case all the way back to the days of John Brockington, Jack Tatum & Woody Hayes. "Only two- time Heisman Winner, Archie Griffin". That didn't work out so well in the pros. OSU would have won at least a couple more National titles if John Cooper was 1\2 as good a gameday coach as he was a recruiter.
Cleveland is a very "pure" football city- plain helmets- you want to get trashed in a hurry- just suggest putting a logo on the helmets, and we don't have cheerleaders either- anti-Dallas. How the Manziel flash will work out here remains to be seen.
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