Leigh Bodden
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Problem is Mangini will be playing a lot of cover two zone defenses. He is not a man to man cover guy on defense.
Cleveland will play a base cover two zone with most pressure coming from the front 7.
god, i hate our defensive scheme. keeping both safeties high sucks because it lets the defense know where they're going to be and having the corners play the flat is, in our case, both a waste of our corner's man to man coverage skills and a stupid gamble looking to pick off short passes that will inevitably fail when we don't generate enough pressure.
it makes me sick that we're still playing the wrong version of the 3-4 and that we're compounding it by playing a stupid zone over it. corners can't use their speed if they're covering the flat. at least let them play a deep zone once in a while.
god, i hate our defensive scheme. keeping both safeties high sucks because it lets the defense know where they're going to be and having the corners play the flat is, in our case, both a waste of our corner's man to man coverage skills and a stupid gamble looking to pick off short passes that will inevitably fail when we don't generate enough pressure.
it makes me sick that we're still playing the wrong version of the 3-4 and that we're compounding it by playing a stupid zone over it. corners can't use their speed if they're covering the flat. at least let them play a deep zone once in a while.
Better get used to seeing the same basic defense!
I think Mangini may have learned a lesson from last year though. You need those fast linebackers in his defense. Something that got exposed in the second half of the year in 2008 with the Jets.
This is why he'll pick Curry if he's there, and why he'll be going out of his way to shoring up the Linebacking spots.. I think he has to for this 3-4 to have a shot in hell at being successful
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we laready have our 3 CB's set in e wright, bmac, and daven. All Bodden would do is provide depth. I agree that we cant look from our past for the future
we laready have our 3 CB's set in e wright, bmac, and daven. All Bodden would do is provide depth. I agree that we cant look from our past for the future
Holly is a UFA. Just because we want him doesn't make it so. FA is a two way street.
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Bodden can play.............in a system dedicate to winning and using skill players wisely
I disagree Rich.....I am 260 lbs and can cover as well as that guy.
Tell me the difference between getting punked by 4 yards like he would and getting punked by 20 yards like I would, other than I would do it for a lot less money?
Bodden isn't a good CB.
I disagree Rich.....I am 260 lbs and can cover as well as that guy.
Tell me the difference between getting punked by 4 yards like he would and getting punked by 20 yards like I would, other than I would do it for a lot less money?
Bodden isn't a good CB.
Isn't, or was? Have those injuries truly cost him a step? He's got to be better than some of our stiffs that were 4th on the depth chart like Terry (I can't cover my Cousins' sister?)- question is will he work at vet minimum, or near to it?
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Bodden can play.............in a system dedicate to winning and using skill players wisely
I disagree Rich.....I am 260 lbs and can cover as well as that guy.
Tell me the difference between getting punked by 4 yards like he would and getting punked by 20 yards like I would, other than I would do it for a lot less money?
Bodden isn't a good CB.
I disagree Rich.....I am 260 lbs and can cover as well as that guy.
Tell me the difference between getting punked by 4 yards like he would and getting punked by 20 yards like I would, other than I would do it for a lot less money?
Bodden isn't a good CB.
We agree to disagree. I have not seen anything on our roster who is better. And like X said he was convering number one receivers when he was here. Personally, i would consider making him a free safety using his ball hawking skills. The best db's here in the last five years have been Bodden and Henry both dumped!
We need to focus the draft of Offense, defense next year. So Bodden could be a nice FA grab.
I am a 109lb weakling and I can hit harder than Andra Davis
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this article about Bodden may shed some light on the subject:
Leigh Bodden headed out; the Lions are to blame
by Tom Kowalski | Opinion
Wednesday February 04, 2009, 5:30 PM
AP File PhotoDetroit Lions cornerback Leigh Bodden was acquired in the trade that sent Shaun Rogers to the Cleveland Browns.
There are going to be a lot of reasons given as to why the Detroit Lions informed cornerback Leigh Bodden that he won't be back with the team next year, as reported by The Detroit News today.
There will be the roster bonus (which was huge), his performance (which was mediocre) and his postseason comments (which were the final nail in the coffin).
All of these are legitimate reasons why Bodden won't return, but the real blame for this failure belongs squarely on the shoulders of the Lions.
Bodden was acquired in the trade that sent Shaun Rogers to the Cleveland Browns and it appeared to be a great deal at the time. In addition to a draft pick, the Lions were beefing up their thin secondary with an up-and-coming player such as Bodden.
Former coach Rod Marinelli and defensive coordinator Joe Barry, though, completely mishandled the situation.
Bodden is a brash and confident young player who thrives on success, but the Lions messed with his head from the very beginning.
Marinelli's custom of having new players "earn'' starting positions was ridiculous -- and that's been pointed out many times in this blog. It was especially foolish in the case of Bodden, who was a three-year starter with the Browns and had six interceptions the previous season.
Still, Bodden was delegated as a No. 2 cornerback behind Travis Fisher for the entire training camp and preseason. It was embarrassing to Bodden.
The Lions plunged the dagger in even deeper when they made Fisher the starter for the season opener in Atlanta. Bodden quickly entered the game when Fisher gave up some big plays, but the damage was done.
During the season, the Lions -- after making an even bigger mistake by signing Brian Kelly -- switched Bodden over to Kelly's spot on the left side of the defense. It's a move that Bodden resisted, but the Lions didn't want to hear about it.
Now, you can't have players running the locker room and while the coaches have to be the ultimate authority, there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with young players and their egos.
There never was a discussion with Bodden about why or any attempt to appease his feelings. Bodden didn't feel as comfortable on the left side but the Lions didn't care. Bodden came into Detroit with a lot of promise and he was treated like a second-class citizen every step of the way and his performance reflected it.
Bodden is due an $8.6 million roster bonus on Feb. 27 and that's one of the reasons he will be cut loose. The Lions can't officially make the move until Monday.
The biggest reason for Bodden's departure, though, is because he's damaged goods.
He was a player who might have been able to help turn the team around but he was so disgusted that after the team ended its 0-16 season, Bodden said this about his future: "I want to play football. I don't care where I'm at.''
Sounds to me he is healthy and ready to go...and that the Lions pulled a move typical of the Browns.
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Bodden was always injured. I use to like the kid, but I think some of you are forgetting how often this guy was on the injury list.
I think we need to look at CB's for their tackling skills and toughness as much as their cover skills. Coverage is more about scheme, tackling of the individual.
Find me the next Antonio Winfield.
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Bodden was always injured. I use to like the kid, but I think some of you are forgetting how often this guy was on the injury list.
I think we need to look at CB's for their tackling skills and toughness as much as their cover skills. Coverage is more about scheme, tackling of the individual.
Find me the next Antonio Winfield.
Bodden was always injured. I use to like the kid, but I think some of you are forgetting how often this guy was on the injury list.
I think we need to look at CB's for their tackling skills and toughness as much as their cover skills. Coverage is more about scheme, tackling of the individual.
Find me the next Antonio Winfield.
Me, nor anybody is going to find you the next Winfield, it's not possible. Dude is one of a kind and one of the greatest tacklers in the history of the game.
I think some of you are forgetting that we're not talking about Bodden being the number one guy and playing every snap. More like giving us that good veteran that we have so lacked the last three years to stabilize the secondary and mentor the kids. We all heard how much of a coach on the field Cousin was but the guy made Ralph Brown look like Minniefield.
Bodden was also pretty solid playing the run.
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The key to a good defense is the ability to ROTATE players to keep them fresh. We have ZERO players that I feel comfortable rotating in at the CB/S positions.
I agree that Bodden is likely not going to be coming in here and being a shut down CB...but then again we are mainly playing zone schemes anyway..so we don't need that. What we need is a third CB (and Holley is a FA as well as coming off an injury) that we can rely on to rotate in.
Bodden could be that guy. He could also be the slot guy in nickle packages...freeing up Adams to be the rotate guy for the S position.
Basically, he is giving us depth in 2 positions with one person.
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Adams played great in Sean Jones absence early on last season. I can't figure out what the hell happened after Jones came back though ... we were horrible as the season progressed. We should have never rushed Jones back, he was down-right bad (Percy Ellsworth bad). I think Adams ended up getting banged up too. Cousins was a chaser and completely out of position.
Mel Tucker just shit the bed last season with how badly that group played.
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The key to a good defense is the ability to ROTATE players to keep them fresh. We have ZERO players that I feel comfortable rotating in at the CB/S positions.
I agree that Bodden is likely not going to be coming in here and being a shut down CB...but then again we are mainly playing zone schemes anyway..so we don't need that. What we need is a third CB (and Holley is a FA as well as coming off an injury) that we can rely on to rotate in.
Bodden could be that guy. He could also be the slot guy in nickle packages...freeing up Adams to be the rotate guy for the S position.
Basically, he is giving us depth in 2 positions with one person.
The key to a good defense is the ability to ROTATE players to keep them fresh. We have ZERO players that I feel comfortable rotating in at the CB/S positions.
I agree that Bodden is likely not going to be coming in here and being a shut down CB...but then again we are mainly playing zone schemes anyway..so we don't need that. What we need is a third CB (and Holley is a FA as well as coming off an injury) that we can rely on to rotate in.
Bodden could be that guy. He could also be the slot guy in nickle packages...freeing up Adams to be the rotate guy for the S position.
Basically, he is giving us depth in 2 positions with one person.
Exactly.
When we had to play Mike Adams at slot it really was and indictment as to how bad our corners sucked after Bmac and Wright. When Bodden was here he generally was on the other team's best receiver. He would be able to thrive in a role where he wasn't expected to be the number one corner and could rotate in and out and stay fresh. Being fresh would also allow him to make more plays on the ball when he's in there and take advantage of his nose for the ball.
Bodden is not an old man either, he's 27 and pretty much in his prime.
Oh, and it also means we could have Rogers and Bodden for a third with Bodden making a drastically lower salary. How is this not a winner?
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Adams played great in Sean Jones absence early on last season. I can't figure out what the hell happened after Jones came back though ... we were horrible as the season progressed. We should have never rushed Jones back, he was down-right bad (Percy Ellsworth bad). I think Adams ended up getting banged up too. Cousins was a chaser and completely out of position.
Mel Tucker just shit the bed last season with how badly that group played.
Adams played great in Sean Jones absence early on last season. I can't figure out what the hell happened after Jones came back though ... we were horrible as the season progressed. We should have never rushed Jones back, he was down-right bad (Percy Ellsworth bad). I think Adams ended up getting banged up too. Cousins was a chaser and completely out of position.
Mel Tucker just shit the bed last season with how badly that group played.
I wouldn't put it all on Tucker, his pedigree to this point has been pretty good.
Grossi said it best, and that is he never would have went into the season with the starting corners being Bmac and Wright with no viable depth or backups. Then you factor in Jones being out, Cousin being a colossal bust and then Jones not playing at a high level until late in the season. It all adds up to a dangerous potion when you have no pass rush and no run support.
Bodden could really solidify this secondary. It allows us to draft a safety if Jones takes off.
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And guess who picked up Ty Law after we sat complacent with no depth for much too long?
That's right, Mangini and the NY Jets.
(Note: Ty Law turns 35 yrs old next Tuesday)
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I'm not against bringing in Bodden ... I'm against dumb secondary schemes and sticking with players that suck (see Cousins)
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And guess who picked up Ty Law after we sat complacent with no depth for much too long?
That's right, Mangini and the NY Jets.
(Note: Ty Law turns 35 yrs old next Tuesday)
And guess who picked up Ty Law after we sat complacent with no depth for much too long?
That's right, Mangini and the NY Jets.
(Note: Ty Law turns 35 yrs old next Tuesday)
On the other side of that coin, Ty Law didn't do squat while with the Jets.
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Masters said:
On the other side of that coin, Ty Law didn't do squat while with the Jets.Law = 35
Bodden = 27
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If this was last year's office. He would be back in a heartbeat (at a good price). Sadly, he has no one vouching for him here anymore. I still think he can play. He'd be a nice plug that would could let slide come draft time. Since we do have holes at OL, RB, LB, WR, and DL
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If this was last year's office. He would be back in a heartbeat (at a good price). Sadly, he has no one vouching for him here anymore. I still think he can play. He'd be a nice plug that would could let slide come draft time. Since we do have holes at OL, RB, LB, WR, and DL
If this was last year's office. He would be back in a heartbeat (at a good price). Sadly, he has no one vouching for him here anymore. I still think he can play. He'd be a nice plug that would could let slide come draft time. Since we do have holes at OL, RB, LB, WR, and DL
Keep in mind Kokinis is from within the AFC North...so his teams have played Bodden 6x in the past 4yrs...and also keep in mind he was in charge of FA's ...so it was his job to keep tabs on guys like Bodden as they approached FA. He may have more info on him than we give him credit for.
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OUCH!!!
Bodden says release decision was mutual
Leigh Bodden - DB - DET - Feb. 6 - 9:07 am et
Leigh Bodden says his forthcoming release was a "mutual decision" between him and the Lions.
"It was just a mutual decision," he said. "From the beginning when I was in Detroit, it just didn't seem like it fit and I think everybody around there knew it." It's never a good fit when you're on the worst team in NFL history. Feb. 6 - 9:07 am et
Again...I see Bodden's struggles in Detroit as a case of square peg in round hole.
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We have three good one? Who is our third?
I like Wright and McDonald but wonder if Bmac is better suited in the slot.
WPB - Good call. If he is worth a look I'm sure they have seen him enough to know if he is worth it.
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Zombo said:
Is this really a thread about signing a slot CB that is about to get cut from a 0-16 team?We have three good corners ... so unless someone has a great one ... you can always find a fourth guy.
Zombo
Besides..who exactly is our #3?
Holley? He is coming off an injury and is a FA.
Adams? He is a safety and is a FA
Cousins? Really?
Who is this mythical depth we have?
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