OTA Early Report (Which Means Nothing)
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You act like starting Hoyer results in guaranteed wins.
Sigh...
Maybe right now cal, and all us "Hoyer-lovin'-Manziel-hating-schlubs", just think Hoyer gives us the best chance to win.
It could be that simple...
Fancy that. Some of us would like to give the last guy to actually win two games in a row the benefit of the doubt. No one said he was doing it all by himself, either. What he did do was elevate the level of play of the whole team. I was in the stadium that Thursday night against Buffalo. The mood was electric going into that game. It wasn't just me that felt that way. When he went down you could literally feel the collective deflation.Sigh...Maybe right now cal, and all us "Hoyer-lovin'-Manziel-hating-schlubs", just think Hoyer gives us the best chance to win.It could be that simple...
. Why is it so difficult to understand? WINS. Isn't that what we are all looking for? Forgive me for thinking that was the whole fuckin point.It's frustrating when people have opinions that they can't back up with anything other than "WINS, DUDE".
Rational football talk makes everyone better, in my opinion.
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Fancy that. Some of us would like to give the last guy to actually win two games in a row the benefit of the doubt. No one said he was doing it all by himself, either. What he did do was elevate the level of play of the whole team. I was in the stadium that Thursday night against Buffalo. The mood was electric going into that game. It wasn't just me that felt that way. When he went down you could literally feel the collective deflation.Sigh...Maybe right now cal, and all us "Hoyer-lovin'-Manziel-hating-schlubs", just think Hoyer gives us the best chance to win.It could be that simple...
. Why is it so difficult to understand? WINS. Isn't that what we are all looking for? Forgive me for thinking that was the whole fuckin point.It's frustrating when people have opinions that they can't back up with anything other than "WINS, DUDE".
Rational football talk makes everyone better, in my opinion.
Fancy that. Some of us would like to give the last guy to actually win two games in a row the benefit of the doubt. No one said he was doing it all by himself, either. What he did do was elevate the level of play of the whole team. I was in the stadium that Thursday night against Buffalo. The mood was electric going into that game. It wasn't just me that felt that way. When he went down you could literally feel the collective deflation.. Why is it so difficult to understand? WINS. Isn't that what we are all looking for? Forgive me for thinking that was the whole fuckin point.
Oh man, it's that easy? Well fuck, I wish I knew that.
The Browns will win every game next year. Boom. Done. That was fucking easy.
Dumbass.
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Don't be fooled. That isn't him yet. The one we know takes a big shot, jumps up in the hitter's face and tells him it damn sure ain't over yet. Then he gets that TD and writes an autograph for the hitter in the air and gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. He's brash and unafraid. That will help this team more than anything else in the long run.
"Brash and unafraid" (or thoughtless and immature)... In one post you've capsulized our (or at least my) two worst JM fears: big shot(s) and thoughtless actions that hurt the team.
1. NFL shots a bigger than college shots. Yes, even bigger than SEC shots.
2. When he gets flagged he'll get an earful from Pettine, just as he did from Sumlin, except potentially with a seat as part of the deal. That kind of antic is what Johnny pulls in the heat of a close game. Just the circumstance where self-control is demanded. Just the circumstance where that Unsportsmanlike Conduct flag will hurt the most. So when we kick off from our 20 and the opponent kicks a 55 yard FG two plays later as time expires for the win, while you Johnny-boys revel in his game tying TD, we Browns fans will curse him for costing us the game...
And then this board will get really interesting...
@everlastingxxx said:
Of course i wouldnโt be here if it wasnโt for Manziel. I donโt know why that matters and why i need to apologize for that.
I am on game 14 i think, the Patriot game...
... i came here thinking you guys were excited about the teams direction and instead there is an overall negative vibe.
Good post.. truly... well reasoned for the most part... and kudos for watching the 2013 games.
As you say you've no need to apologize for any of your views, but you have gone beyond defending them in some posts and at times your JM "fanaticism" has kept you from recognizing what others are saying. Case in point is your "an overall negative vibe" comment. IMO that simply is not the case... As a group we are as optimistic as I have seen for the direction of the team. Where we fail you is by a lack of universal enthusiasm for JM now and forever, and the percentage of us who reject your insistences that he is "the one". I think you conflate the two.
3-0 Worked for me without a sniff of a running game.
I like Hoyer as well, but we have to give up the 3-0 thing. Brian was hurt very early in the Buffalo game, so 2-0 is more representative of his record as a Browns starter.
"Brash and unafraid" (or thoughtless and immature)... In one post you've capsulized our (or at least my) two worst JM fears: big shot(s) and thoughtless actions that hurt the team.
1. NFL shots a bigger than college shots. Yes, even bigger than SEC shots.
2. When he gets flagged he'll get an earful from Pettine, just as he did from Sumlin, except potentially with a seat as part of the deal. That kind of antic is what Johnny pulls in the heat of a close game. Just the circumstance where self-control is demanded. Just the circumstance where that Unsportsmanlike Conduct flag will hurt the most. So when we kick off from our 20 and the opponent kicks a 55 yard FG two plays later as time expires for the win, while you Johnny-boys revel in his game tying TD, we Browns fans will curse him for costing us the game...
And then this board will get really interesting...
Good post.. truly... well reasoned for the most part... and kudos for watching the 2013 games.
As you say you've no need to apologize for any of your views, but you have gone beyond defending them in some posts and at times your JM "fanaticism" has kept you from recognizing what others are saying. Case in point is your "an overall negative vibe" comment. IMO that simply is not the case... As a group we are as optimistic as I have seen for the direction of the team. Where we fail you is by a lack of universal enthusiasm for JM now and forever, and the percentage of us who reject your insistences that he is "the one". I think you conflate the two.
I like Hoyer as well, but we have to give up the 3-0 thing. Brian was hurt very early in the Buffalo game, so 2-0 is more representative of his record as a Browns starter.
Ah he is "THE ONE" start calling him Neo instead.
But regarding the hits- a little personal aside. Went to HS with a guy you've probably never heard of Larry Zelina- wound up being the starting tailback behind Brockington @ Ohio State- LOL I got to see what 4.4 speed looks like up close and personal playing against him in a basketball game. Anyway, Larry got a tryout with the Browns- and promptly got his knee destroyed in training camp. His comment afterwards? I got hit hard a few times in college (and one of his teammates was "The Assassin" Jack Tatum) but when I got to the Browns every hit was a hard hit.You act like starting Hoyer results in guaranteed wins.
Hey, WW says 16-0 with JF, and the Super Bowl. Nope TC the Nattering Nabob of Negativity in me says is doesn't matter who we start- we're looking at 0-3 out of the gate. Start Manziel, and he doesn't make it to the bye in one piece.
LeBeau 15-2 against rookie starters, care to bet the ranch on JF in the opener?
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I would love to read Lumbergh's thoughts on this topic.
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@walterwhite said:
Hoorta is the fun police
It literally kills me how much he can't stand Manziel but polices every thread, and a has a rebuttal for every positive Manziel post. I'm not sure if he's a real beer drinking Browns fan who loves football and excitement or just a jealous 17 year old girlfriend. Either way, who gives a shit. Manziel is the king of Cleveland and it makes him insecure. Let's rage and kick Big Ben's ass week 1
We ARE Johnny Football.
Embrace it.
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nah, it's just spring - *some* fans' cabin fever prompts them
to frolic amidst the wild flowers in rage....
But Mr. Hoorta is not bitter. Never rageous. Not even outrageous.
Most all of us, mehbe even you and walter, are surely far different in real life
than online, like Brad Paisley's song.
Manziel has the "it" we've been missing ...but shoving him into prime time before
he knows the playbook doesn't sound smart, that's all.
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nah, it's just spring - *some* fans' cabin fever prompts them
to frolic amidst the wild flowers in rage....
But Mr. Hoorta is not bitter. Never rageous. Not even outrageous.
Most all of us, mehbe even you and walter, are surely far different in real life
than online, like Brad Paisley's song.
Manziel has the "it" we've been missing ...but shoving him into prime time before
he knows the playbook doesn't sound smart, that's all.
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@mike-h said:
The Browns Board: The home of the bitter old men with no football knowledge or insight.
...and one drama queen with a Jesus complex...
@walterwhite said:
Way to inspire confidence you alleged "Browns fan"
So you are simply here to inspire us?
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Yes....that's his job. He really deserves no praise for doing his job.The blitz is when Johnny shines.
But I agree he needs time and has to make lots of improvements.
One thing not being reported is him staying until after midnight studying what they are asking him to study. And being there bright and early for workouts.
Yes....that's his job. He really deserves no praise for doing his job.
After watching the last two year of Weeden...it's obvious that he never did his job. Can't name one game he actually went out there and looked prepared. Since we haven't seen Johnny actually play it's unfair to say that he's not capable. He's doing and saying the right things so far so leave him to his devices. I'd be good with him not playing at all this year but if he earns it; let him do his thing. Might be the 49er's scenario from a couple of years ago...Hoyer may get us going and then he gets injured and Johnny comes in a gets us to the Super Bowl...you never know. Teddy also has AP..so I can see why Zimmer is a little more comfortable with putting him in with the 1's. Johnny has some adjusting to do and it's jacked up to call him trash when he hasn't done anything to deserve that from us fans.
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With the extra attention to the wide receiver position l wondered if there were any stories or information available on how they did in the OTAs, but l haven't seen much. Looking here and elsewhere l saw the new guy from Dallas didn't participate, Armstrong dropped a ball, and Gordon caught everything thrown his way, which may or may not be ironic.
Has there been any reports on how they did? Maybe a feel good story about one of the undrafted guys or something?
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One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
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One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
TyperWoods said:
One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
Not much different than what Alex Mack has done the past several years, at least for those on the line.
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Apparently Manziel's been promoted to taking snaps with the seconds, with Thigpen presumably demoted.
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It was a matter of time. The word is that he does not know the whole playbook .
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That Vegas vacation must have worked.
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Must have won a bet for his OC.
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Mary Kay Cabot โ@MaryKayCabot:#browns cb justin Gilbert limped off field in OTAs, sitting on ground with right knee wrapped. No word yet.Mary Kay Cabot โ@MaryKayCabot:#browns cb justin Gilbert up walking around on sidelines on wrapped right knee.Mary Kay Cabot โ@MaryKayCabot:#browns cb justin Gilbert has the ice-pack off his right knee but still on sidelines.
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One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
TyperWoods said:
One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
Most hardcore Aggie fans know this. And Johnny has alluded to it in many interviews. He's actually excited about. Even if he saw something at A&M he couldn't change protection coverage.
It was a matter of time. The word is that he does not know the whole playbook .
He will learn it. It's been what 20 days since he was drafted?
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TyperWoods said:
One thing you newbie JFF fans might not know...at A&M the center called out the protection.
So I would think that is a big thing JFF will need to get used to.
Most hardcore Aggie fans know this. And Johnny has alluded to it in many interviews. He's actually excited about. Even if he saw something at A&M he couldn't change protection coverage.
It was a matter of time. The word is that he does not know the whole playbook .
He will learn it. It's been what 20 days since he was drafted?
Most hardcore Aggie fans know this. And Johnny has alluded to it in many interviews. He's actually excited about. Even if he saw something at A&M he couldn't change protection coverage.
He will learn it. It's been what 20 days since he was drafted?
With a new coach, etc. I don't think any players know it fully yet.
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