Cassel ain't leaving NE
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Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
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For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.
On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
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Our "front office" sure didn't leave us in a great position. It's like they knew they would be fired or something?
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For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.
On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
Masters said:
For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
Mik, you keep saying Phillip never had any offers for DA. My question is, why did he offer him what he did if there weren't offers on the table?
The bottom line is, certainly they could have gotten much better compensation pick wise then they will now, plus Queen would have a year under his belt.
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Masters said:
For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
Mik, you keep saying Phillip never had any offers for DA. My question is, why did he offer him what he did if there weren't offers on the table?
The bottom line is, certainly they could have gotten much better compensation pick wise then they will now, plus Queen would have a year under his belt.
Mik, you keep saying Phillip never had any offers for DA. My question is, why did he offer him what he did if there weren't offers on the table?
The bottom line is, certainly they could have gotten much better compensation pick wise then they will now, plus Queen would have a year under his belt.
Do you really think Phil, who drafted Queen, wouldn't have gladly taken the 1st and the 3rd round pick he would have gotten back if anyone else signed DA? That is why I say it. Phil threw, what in reality was a bit of a low ball offer (as far as for what a young up and coming starting QB gets offered, by league standards) and DA jumped on it.
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Mik, you keep saying Phillip never had any offers for DA. My question is, why did he offer him what he did if there weren't offers on the table?
The bottom line is, certainly they could have gotten much better compensation pick wise then they will now, plus Queen would have a year under his belt.
Do you really think Phil, who drafted Queen, wouldn't have gladly taken the 1st and the 3rd round pick he would have gotten back if anyone else signed DA? That is why I say it. Phil threw, what in reality was a bit of a low ball offer (as far as for what a young up and coming starting QB gets offered, by league standards) and DA jumped on it.
Masters said:
Do you really think Phil, who drafted Queen, wouldn't have gladly taken the 1st and the 3rd round pick he would have gotten back if anyone else signed DA? That is why I say it. Phil threw, what in reality was a bit of a low ball offer (as far as for what a young up and coming starting QB gets offered, by league standards) and DA jumped on it.I totally disagree.
I would have taken a first straight up and I know a ton of guys here would have at the time. The reputed offers were linked through Dallas and Bmore, which gave Phillip his excuse to hang onto DA. I maintain Savage was always madly in love with him and never had any intention of him being anything but the starting QB in 2008.
His biggest thing was having two starting caliber guys so the season wouldn't be sabotaged by injury to one of them.
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Masters said:
Do you really think Phil, who drafted Queen, wouldn't have gladly taken the 1st and the 3rd round pick he would have gotten back if anyone else signed DA? That is why I say it. Phil threw, what in reality was a bit of a low ball offer (as far as for what a young up and coming starting QB gets offered, by league standards) and DA jumped on it.I totally disagree.
I would have taken a first straight up and I know a ton of guys here would have at the time. The reputed offers were linked through Dallas and Bmore, which gave Phillip his excuse to hang onto DA. I maintain Savage was always madly in love with him and never had any intention of him being anything but the starting QB in 2008.
His biggest thing was having two starting caliber guys so the season wouldn't be sabotaged by injury to one of them.
I totally disagree.
I would have taken a first straight up and I know a ton of guys here would have at the time. The reputed offers were linked through Dallas and Bmore, which gave Phillip his excuse to hang onto DA. I maintain Savage was always madly in love with him and never had any intention of him being anything but the starting QB in 2008.
His biggest thing was having two starting caliber guys so the season wouldn't be sabotaged by injury to one of them.
I see where you are coming from. But I just don't buy that though DAL to Balt story, and didn't really buy it at the time. That would have been a cap issue for DAL in the end (signing bonus money and its cap hit doesn't move with a trade, so DAL would have been screwed big on that financially by signing DA).
I do think Phil got a little to excited about DA after the 2007 season. But he had DA on the roster when he traded up to pick Quinn. So how much excitement could the FO have really had for DA before that.
I 100% agree that the deciding factor in keeping/resigning DA was the concept of needing two good QBs on the roster in today's NFL.
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Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
Lumberg?
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If only we had gotten that 1st and 3rd...
Let's assume that the Dallas scenario wasn't bs - we would have acquired the 22nd and 92nd picks in the draft.
Dallas drafted Felix Jones with the 1st pick - a guy who ran for 69 yards & a TD against us Week One, and who averaged 8.9 yards per carry before getting hurt in Week Six.
The 92nd pick ended up getting shipped to Detroit, who selected Cliff Avril, a DE-OLB who notched 4 sacks in the final six games of the season and is a guy Jim Schwartz is planning to build his defense around.
Imagine if OLB and RB weren't considered huge needs going into this year's draft. Even with our small cache of draft picks, we'd be ideally situated to fill our holes at ILB, C, SS, and TE/WR.
Damn, that would've been sweet.
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Ha, you're right. We probably would have just drafted Beau Bell higher.
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Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
Don't know if you're talking about me, but I posted the buy low, sell high analogy repeatedly at the end of 2007.
The rationale was simple: unless DA was a top 10 QB (which he wasn't and common sense told those of us with functioning brains that he wouldn't be), the best organizational decision was to take picks for him, if for no other reason than that he was free to the organization and any return you got for him would be a tremendous return on investment.
Too bad Phil was one of those brainless people that saw a top 10 QB in DA.
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Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
Don't know if you're talking about me, but I posted the buy low, sell high analogy repeatedly at the end of 2007.
The rationale was simple: unless DA was a top 10 QB (which he wasn't and common sense told those of us with functioning brains that he wouldn't be), the best organizational decision was to take picks for him, if for no other reason than that he was free to the organization and any return you got for him would be a tremendous return on investment.
Too bad Phil was one of those brainless people that saw a top 10 QB in DA.
Don't know if you're talking about me, but I posted the buy low, sell high analogy repeatedly at the end of 2007.
The rationale was simple: unless DA was a top 10 QB (which he wasn't and common sense told those of us with functioning brains that he wouldn't be), the best organizational decision was to take picks for him, if for no other reason than that he was free to the organization and any return you got for him would be a tremendous return on investment.
Too bad Phil was one of those brainless people that saw a top 10 QB in DA.
But you have to have a team willing to have signed DA to get those picks. It never happened. There were no picks to take. The only thing out there was the DAL signing him story, then shipping him to BALT. But that would have never worked because DAL would have saddled with the signing bonus money against their cap that year if they signed then traded DA. Bonus money doesn't move w/ a trade. So their was less than likely any truth to that story.
You can't blame Phil for a move that wasn't actually there.
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This helps us.. Cassel will be very expensive. If we are real lucky they keep him due to uncertainty of Brady's knee. This may make DA an attractive cheaper option or even drive up his value. I think we can all agree Savage screwed this up by not trading him last year.. but nothing can be done about that.. DA is still worth a 3rd (maybe a low 2nd) and (thanks Phil) we need picks.
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Stoolers have tagged leftwhich as old and are interested in seeing if they can get Cassell as a backup.
source; pro football weekly on the NFL Radio interview this week in review.
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Stoolers have tagged leftwhich as old and are interested in seeing if they can get Cassell as a backup.
source; pro football weekly on the NFL Radio interview this week in review.
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mz. said:
You must have heard this incorrectly.NOT! the Stoolers are also watching how the situation with Baltimore shapes up and if they can resign there LB's if not, they may decide to go after who is left, Suggs or Lewis they dont feel that the Ratbirds will have enough cap to keep both.
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Either way NE wins.... If Brady is not ready they have a proven backup. If Brady is ready and someone else makes an offer and they don't match it they recieve two first round picks, and other teams can make an offer to Cassel up to week 9 or 10.
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Here's a really interesting article that made me a little more skeptical about Cassel being a franchise QB.
Maximizing Matt: Shotgun triggered Cassel's second-half surge
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