Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Who would you say is the face of the franchise?
The face of the Franchise are Paul Brown and Jim Brown. The team bears their name.
And there can be no argument about that.
The face of the Franchise are Paul Brown and Jim Brown. The team bears their name.
And there can be no argument about that.
Except that neither of them play for the team, so your statement is invalid.
Copying and pasting certain bits to fit your argument doesn't make your stance valid.
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i was going to say something smart assed like why don't you go to a manziel forum and leave us alone
BUT there isn't any JF forums.
why is that?
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LOL at JF causing infighting between fans and browns fans.
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I think that a lot of fans expect him to come in and instantly be the savior. That is a lot of pressure to put on any rookie. To me his playing style translates more to the CFL than the NFL, and the single player he reminds me of most is Doug Flutie, who ended up a journeyman NFL QB, though great fun to watch. I think that five years from now, Manziel will either be on the way to a HOF career, a backup for another NFL team, or playing in the CFL. I just don't know which will happen.
Wonder if he will start week one? Anyone notice that the Steelers defense is much younger now except for the safeties?
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Johnny Manziel is actually a lot similar to RGIII.
ha. I didn't say it.
Kyle Shannahan did. Haven't seen it posted,
and no way I start another JF thread...
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i was going to say something smart assed like why don't you go to a manziel forum and leave us alone
BUT there isn't any JF forums.
why is that?
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only texas queefs annoy me.
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really? the face of the franchise? GTFO.
even though i know a lot of people in the media game and dealt with them for years it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if they all got flushed down the toilet.
what a bunch of garbage.
really? the face of the franchise? GTFO.
even though i know a lot of people in the media game and dealt with them for years it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if they all got flushed down the toilet.
what a bunch of garbage.
Face it Mik....We are Johnny Football.
Embrace it.
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crazy.
manziel fans hate the media when johnny hates it (which is never IMO) but yet they use the media to validate "how many stories do you see about the browns without it being related to JF?" "therefor he has to be the face of the browns!"
that is what amazes me with the JF only fans. put the player above the team. no respect for anything else browns. it's johnny or nothing.
I wish these JFF only piss ants would go to a JFF forum. I'm sure they have forums and fanboy pages all over the web for him. They make it hard to root for the guy because if he does succeed, 1. they will still be spewing shit on the forum and 2. it will be I told you so, I told you so...
I wish these JFF only piss ants would go to a JFF forum.
Mods could create a JM section of this forum. It might end up only marginally more confrontational than the Politics section.
Actual I think things have simmered down considerably since the WW time-out. The remaining JM fans either were not as obnoxious to begin with or have backed off a notch or two.
It's not premature to say that Manziel has overtaken Thomas and Haden as the face of the franchise because it has happened.
How many times have they been mentioned since the draft? How many times has Manziel been mentioned this week?
Like it or not, but the media chooses the face of the franchise. Not the fans. Not the players. Not the coaches.
Disagree... actually by definition it's the publicity department (or Public Relations). Celebrity does not equal face of the franchise.
@everlastingxxx said:
You know when i first saw Johnny Manziel play who he reminded me of? Tony Romo.
Now there's a comforting thought...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gonna be a helluva ride if Johnny Cleveland can duplicate his heroics at the pro level. He is hit-or-miss in my mind but I do like his "kiss my ass" attitude that if harnessed could help his cause in becoming the Browns new? quarterback leader. Many thought Johnny would implode during his last year at A&M and to his credit he kept it together.
BTW, looks like cyberworld has embraced JM. google 'johnny" search defaults? with him number 3 behind depp, and cash. he ranks ahead of johnny carson. (for you young guys, carson was the greatest ever late night tv host who retired in 1992 after 30 years on the 'tonight show")
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Face it Mik....We are Johnny Football.
Embrace it.
ugh.
maybe with a half a pitcher of red shit i might embrace it.
hell i might embrace anything at that point, if you know what i mean.
embracing it means embracing the JF 'army'. that's got nothing to do with the kid. in my mind that's a whole other entity. i hope manziel's a superstar and leads the browns to multiple championships.
it's all the knob slobbering that some people bring with their love for the guy that bugs me.
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Gonna be a helluva ride if Johnny Cleveland can duplicate his heroics at the pro level. He is hit-or-miss in my mind but I do like his "kiss my ass" attitude that if harnessed could help his cause in becoming the Browns new? quarterback leader. Many thought Johnny would implode during his last year at A&M and to his credit he kept it together.
BTW, looks like cyberworld has embraced JM. google 'johnny" search defaults? with him number 3 behind depp, and cash. he ranks ahead of johnny carson. (for you young guys, carson was the greatest ever late night tv host who retired in 1992 after 30 years on the 'tonight show")
BTW, looks like cyberworld has embraced JM. google 'johnny" search defaults? with him number 3 behind depp, and cash. he ranks ahead of johnny carson. for you young guys, carson was the greatest ever late night tv host who retired in 1992 after 30 years on the 'tonight show"
LOL... in other words most of Carson's fans don't google...
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How does Johnny respond? Got to look at his history.
1. "You can play safety for me son but not QB"-now fired coach Mack Brown UT Austin
2. He can't beat out experienced soph Showers - Showers transferred out after JM's Heisman season
3. Heisman winners always have a bad bowl game (Well ask the Stoops brothers how that turned out for 'em at OU)
4. The Soph season is never as good as the Heisman season. It's a jinx (became a much better pocket passer first, runner second)
5. He'll drop to the 2nd or 3rd round -too small (best pro day of all those out there-first rounder)
6. He can never be an NFL QB-his game does not translate - OK care to go with or against his history of responding to "Can't"?
We know Browns fans-burn me once, burn me 20 times, but not 21. It's hard to hope against those odds.
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compelling. a chip on your shoulder can carry you a long way.
Started out thinking the JFF fervor would be a distraction for the team. but, who cares if you are distracted from a world of suckage....it can only bet better for the Browns. JM has a legitimate chance to be that guy who returned the Browns to the top of the AFC North Division. there, I fuckin said it
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How does Johnny respond? Got to look at his history.
1. "You can play safety for me son but not QB"-now fired coach Mack Brown UT Austin
2. He can't beat out experienced soph Showers - Showers transferred out after JM's Heisman season
3. Heisman winners always have a bad bowl game (Well ask the Stoops brothers how that turned out for 'em at OU)
4. The Soph season is never as good as the Heisman season. It's a jinx (became a much better pocket passer first, runner second)
5. He'll drop to the 2nd or 3rd round -too small (best pro day of all those out there-first rounder)
6. He can never be an NFL QB-his game does not translate - OK care to go with or against his history of responding to "Can't"?
We know Browns fans-burn me once, burn me 20 times, but not 21. It's hard to hope against those odds.
How does Johnny respond? Got to look at his history. the Stoops brothers how that turned out for 'em at OU)
6. He can never be an NFL QB-his game does not translate - OK care to go with or against his history of responding to "Can't"?
We know Browns fans-burn me once, burn me 20 times, but not 21. It's hard to hope against those odds.
How did you forget... "sit a year and learn behind our future #8 overall" - now fired A&M HC Mike Sherman?
I think you are hard-pressed to find a significant number of "JM can't" Browns fans here.
Whereas there are an ample amount of "can't miss" JM fans.
Odds are that the truth will lie somewhere between those two extremes.
As for past QB woes impacting the outlook of some... sure there are a couple who have said as much. But what is even more fascinating is the need that even the most reasonable of JM fans (which I consider you to be) to continuously rationalize anything short of embracing JM as the second coming.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How does Johnny respond? Got to look at his history. the Stoops brothers how that turned out for 'em at OU)
6. He can never be an NFL QB-his game does not translate - OK care to go with or against his history of responding to "Can't"?
We know Browns fans-burn me once, burn me 20 times, but not 21. It's hard to hope against those odds.
How did you forget... "sit a year and learn behind our future #8 overall" - now fired A&M HC Mike Sherman?
I think you are hard-pressed to find a significant number of "JM can't" Browns fans here.
Whereas there are an ample amount of "can't miss" JM fans.
Odds are that the truth will lie somewhere between those two extremes.
As for past QB woes impacting the outlook of some... sure there are a couple who have said as much. But what is even more fascinating is the need that even the most reasonable of JM fans (which I consider you to be) to continuously rationalize anything short of embracing JM as the second coming.
But what is even more fascinating is the need that even the most reasonable of JM fans (which I consider you to be) to continuously rationalize anything short of embracing JM as the second coming.
gotta copy and paste this into every round of discourse i have with a couple of out-of-hand JF fans here.
this is what i've been trying to say but couldn't put it into words.
when i use it they will say i'm 'crying' or 'whining'. lol.
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I wish these JFF only piss ants would go to a JFF forum.
Mods could create a JM section of this forum. It might end up only marginally more confrontational than the Politics section.
Actual I think things have simmered down considerably since the WW time-out. The remaining JM fans either were not as obnoxious to begin with or have backed off a notch or two.
It's not premature to say that Manziel has overtaken Thomas and Haden as the face of the franchise because it has happened.
How many times have they been mentioned since the draft? How many times has Manziel been mentioned this week?
Like it or not, but the media chooses the face of the franchise. Not the fans. Not the players. Not the coaches.
Disagree... actually by definition it's the publicity department (or Public Relations). Celebrity does not equal face of the franchise.
@everlastingxxx said:
You know when i first saw Johnny Manziel play who he reminded me of? Tony Romo.
Now there's a comforting thought...
Mods could create a JM section of this forum. It might end up only marginally more confrontational than the Politics section.
Actual I think things have simmered down considerably since the WW time-out. The remaining JM fans either were not as obnoxious to begin with or have backed off a notch or two.
Disagree... actually by definition it's the publicity department (or Public Relations). Celebrity does not equal face of the franchise.
Now there's a comforting thought...
It would be the marketing department, not really public relations. PR is just a branch under marketing.
I'm a public relations executive for a digital marketing firm and I can tell you firsthand that the public relations department has exactly zero control.
Our job is all about spin and numbers.
We can decide who we want to push to be the face, sure. But that doesn't make him the face.
We could push Justin Gilbert all year, plaster his face all over ever bit of marketing materials we have, plug him in at every event and mention him in passing in every press release and pitch. But if the fans don't embrace it and the media doesn't cover him, it's all for naught.
It's brand recognition. You ask 1,000 people, in a fair distribution all over the country, the first person they think of when they hear "Cleveland Browns".
It won't be unanimous by any means, but I'm willing to bet that there will be a higher percentage (especially in the male 18-24, 25-31 and female 18-24 demographics) of people that say Manziel.
We can't control who ESPN chooses to cover, we can only push the ones we want to be covered. At the end of the day, they're about ratings and more people care about the Heisman trophy winning QB party boy who slid to #22 than they do some random CB.
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I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
quit whining mik, you big crybaby!
PS-I expect JM to be very good, but it never happens overnight with even the best. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.
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The face of the Franchise are Paul Brown and Jim Brown. The team bears their name.
And there can be no argument about that.
Except that neither of them play for the team, so your statement is invalid.
Copying and pasting certain bits to fit your argument doesn't make your stance valid.
Except that neither of them play for the team, so your statement is invalid.
Copying and pasting certain bits to fit your argument doesn't make your stance valid.
Where is the rule that says that the face of the team has to play for the team? Paul Brown is dead, Jim Brown is like 72 years old.
The team bears their name.
The name of this forum is "The Browns Board", not the Manziel Board, the Hoyer Board, the Thomas Board the Haden Board.
They are the face of the team. Deal with it.
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Except that neither of them play for the team, so your statement is invalid.
Copying and pasting certain bits to fit your argument doesn't make your stance valid.
Where is the rule that says that the face of the team has to play for the team? Paul Brown is dead, Jim Brown is like 72 years old.
The team bears their name.
The name of this forum is "The Browns Board", not the Manziel Board, the Hoyer Board, the Thomas Board the Haden Board.
They are the face of the team. Deal with it.
Where is the rule that says that the face of the team has to play for the team? Paul Brown is dead, Jim Brown is like 72 years old.
The team bears their name.
The name of this forum is "The Browns Board", not the Manziel Board, the Hoyer Board, the Thomas Board the Haden Board.
They are the face of the team. Deal with it.
Sorry Gipper...Johnny Football is the face of the team. I don't think we as fans of the team determine who the face is....I believe it is the fans of other teams and the national media.
Like it or not, we are Johnny Football. Embrace it.
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