Rivalry
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No. Just accurate. Sorry you can't handle that.
You mean accuracy as in each of the teams in the division owning the browns? Accuracy has nothing to do with it... the dudes got an inferiority complex.
Steeler fans dont hate the browns, they hate the old browns.. aka the Ravens.
They laugh at the browns just like everyone else.
The Steelers browns rivalry has become like the rivalry a bug has with a windshield.
Not only did Modell steal the team, he stole the rivalry.
Hopefully under this umpteenth new regime, the browns will someday be right up there with the big boys of the division and be relevant once again.
You mean accuracy as in each of the teams in the division owning the browns? Accuracy has nothing to do with it... the dudes got an inferiority complex.
Steeler fans dont hate the browns, they hate the old browns.. aka the Ravens.
The Ravens are not the old Browns. If you want to hate the Ravens, fine. Don't bring us into that picture.
They laugh at the browns just like everyone else.
The Steelers browns rivalry has become like the rivalry a bug has with a windshield.
Not only did Modell steal the team, he stole the rivalry.
OK, I agree, there is a lot of truth to that......but as much as we might like to we can't put the Browns ineptitude since 1999 on Modell's back. The Lerner's and their minions get to bear that Burden.
Hopefully under this umpteenth new regime, the browns will someday be right up there with the big boys of the division and be relevant once again.
Yes, hopefully....though the Browns overall talent right now is actually as good as any team in the division.....save perhaps for that one most important position: QB. That plus that intangible ability to win when you do have comparable talent. That is lacking....and is perhaps the hardest thing to obtain.
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The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
This is all correct....except perhaps the 90s, where for the first part of the decade the teams were pretty even. They split wins from 1990-1993, and again in 1999. In the 1995 turmoil/move year they won both games....but hell, that made your edge no better than any other team in
the league. It was only 1994...when the Browns actually made the playoffs and were good...but lost both games and the playoff game, that the Steelers had their edge that year.
And, of course, no games were played for 3 years.
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The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
Spot on post.... You actually earned a consiverable amount of respect from me with this...
Besides the Steelers dominating the 90s part.... As Gipper pointed out the facts concerning that.
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The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
Don't totally agree with this...if you're saying the browns "owned" the Steelers during the 80's.
The browns had an edge, thats all. Other than the Steelers sweeping the browns in '81, the series split each year until '86 when the browns swept the Steelers that year and the two following years. The browns ended up 4 games better...12-8 vs. the Steelers.. and that was only because of their dominance for 3 consecutive yrs...not the entire decade.
As far as sucking in the 80's...the Steelers left that decade slightly above a .500 team while making the playoffs 4 times. Yes, that is sucking by Steeler standards, but would be considered a great achievement/improvement if the browns could mimic that feat.
Unless you are an old man, the typical brown fan has not witnesses their teams dominance over the Steelers for a full decade in their lifetime.
As far as the 2010's, yes it still has to be written but the Steelers have a commanding edge thus far 7-1.
A notable...the Steelers pre-1970 were the worst franchise in history for 35 or so years. Post 1970 after the formation of the new league until now (40+ yrs.), the Steelers are the winningest team in football.
Only 9 losing seasons since 1970 is phenominal...don't care who the fuck you are.
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The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
Spot on post.... You actually earned a consiverable amount of respect from me with this...
Besides the Steelers dominating the 90s part.... As Gipper pointed out the facts concerning that.
GuNNerGatSKy said:
Spot on post.... You actually earned a consiverable amount of respect from me with this...
Besides the Steelers dominating the 90s part.... As Gipper pointed out the facts concerning that.
Well the 90's and any other decade was whoever had the edge. Some decades were evenly matched, others were lopsided, it all just depends...
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The one downside with the Browns-Steelers rivalry is that neither team has had a stretch of time when they were BOTH dominant...at the same time that is.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have both had awesome years but it has always been the case of one team owning a decade while the other one sucks:
1950's: Browns dominant
1960's: Browns
1970's: Steelers
1980's: Browns
1990's: Steelers
2000's: Steelers
2010's: still being written...
The biggest reason the Browns can "return to prominence" is not Manziel, Josh Gordon etc...it's Haslem, an owner who cares! Ownership is THE single biggest reason for success or failure in major North American professional sports leagues.
Trust me, I should know. . . I'm a Pirates fan for cryin' out loud.
Don't totally agree with this...if you're saying the browns "owned" the Steelers during the 80's.
The browns had an edge, thats all. Other than the Steelers sweeping the browns in '81, the series split each year until '86 when the browns swept the Steelers that year and the two following years. The browns ended up 4 games better...12-8 vs. the Steelers.. and that was only because of their dominance for 3 consecutive yrs...not the entire decade.
As far as sucking in the 80's...the Steelers left that decade slightly above a .500 team while making the playoffs 4 times. Yes, that is sucking by Steeler standards, but would be considered a great achievement/improvement if the browns could mimic that feat.
Unless you are an old man, the typical brown fan has not witnesses their teams dominance over the Steelers for a full decade in their lifetime.
As far as the 2010's, yes it still has to be written but the Steelers have a commanding edge thus far 7-1.
A notable...the Steelers pre-1970 were the worst franchise in history for 35 or so years. Post 1970 after the formation of the new league until now (40+ yrs.), the Steelers are the winningest team in football.
Only 9 losing seasons since 1970 is phenominal...don't care who the fuck you are.
Don't totally agree with this...if you're saying the browns "owned" the Steelers during the 80's.
The browns had an edge, thats all. Other than the Steelers sweeping the browns in '81, the series split each year until '86 when the browns swept the Steelers that year and the two following years. The browns ended up 4 games better...12-8 vs. the Steelers.. and that was only because of their dominance for 3 consecutive yrs...not the entire decade.
As far as sucking in the 80's...the Steelers left that decade slightly above a .500 team while making the playoffs 4 times. Yes, that is sucking by Steeler standards, but would be considered a great achievement/improvement if the browns could mimic that feat.
And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
Unless you are an old man, the typical brown fan has not witnesses their teams dominance over the Steelers for a full decade in their lifetime.
As far as the 2010's, yes it still has to be written but the Steelers have a commanding edge thus far 7-1.
A notable...the Steelers pre-1970 were the worst franchise in history for 35 or so years. Post 1970 after the formation of the new league until now (40+ yrs.), the Steelers are the winningest team in football.
Only 9 losing seasons since 1970 is phenominal...don't care who the fuck you are.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league. I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
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Don't totally agree with this...if you're saying the browns "owned" the Steelers during the 80's.
The browns had an edge, thats all. Other than the Steelers sweeping the browns in '81, the series split each year until '86 when the browns swept the Steelers that year and the two following years. The browns ended up 4 games better...12-8 vs. the Steelers.. and that was only because of their dominance for 3 consecutive yrs...not the entire decade.
As far as sucking in the 80's...the Steelers left that decade slightly above a .500 team while making the playoffs 4 times. Yes, that is sucking by Steeler standards, but would be considered a great achievement/improvement if the browns could mimic that feat.
And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
Unless you are an old man, the typical brown fan has not witnesses their teams dominance over the Steelers for a full decade in their lifetime.
As far as the 2010's, yes it still has to be written but the Steelers have a commanding edge thus far 7-1.
A notable...the Steelers pre-1970 were the worst franchise in history for 35 or so years. Post 1970 after the formation of the new league until now (40+ yrs.), the Steelers are the winningest team in football.
Only 9 losing seasons since 1970 is phenominal...don't care who the fuck you are.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league. I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league. I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
Everyone called the AFCN a tough division during the 2000's/early 2010's. But really it wasn't. The Steelers only had one division rival to really contend with and that was the Ravens. (With maybe 1 or 2 seasons where the Bengals may have won out but went nowhere in the postseason.)
Perhaps the Steelers fans should thank the Browns for contributing to their more recent years of success?
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Don't totally agree with this...if you're saying the browns "owned" the Steelers during the 80's.
The browns had an edge, thats all. Other than the Steelers sweeping the browns in '81, the series split each year until '86 when the browns swept the Steelers that year and the two following years. The browns ended up 4 games better...12-8 vs. the Steelers.. and that was only because of their dominance for 3 consecutive yrs...not the entire decade.
As far as sucking in the 80's...the Steelers left that decade slightly above a .500 team while making the playoffs 4 times. Yes, that is sucking by Steeler standards, but would be considered a great achievement/improvement if the browns could mimic that feat.
And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
Unless you are an old man, the typical brown fan has not witnesses their teams dominance over the Steelers for a full decade in their lifetime.
As far as the 2010's, yes it still has to be written but the Steelers have a commanding edge thus far 7-1.
A notable...the Steelers pre-1970 were the worst franchise in history for 35 or so years. Post 1970 after the formation of the new league until now (40+ yrs.), the Steelers are the winningest team in football.
Only 9 losing seasons since 1970 is phenominal...don't care who the fuck you are.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league. I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
C'mon man. I have always thought of you as one of the few reasonable debaters here...cut out the denial crap.
At least I said the browns had an edge in the 80's.
The Steelers were 10-5 vs. the browns during the 1990's...including a 3 game sweep in 1994 which resulted in a 29-9 Steeler romp over the browns in the playoffs...to be followed by another sweep the following year.
The Steelers won 6 straight over the browns before bidding them adieu to Baltimore.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league.
Captain obvious? The dude said the 2010's have yet to be written...just pointed out at 1-7 the browns have got of catching up to do.
I guess you want to be Captain Denial by pointing out that the browns have sucked ONLY the past 15yrs., when they have sucked througout the 90's....merely picking up where they left off when they returned.
browns in the 90's..
2-14
5-11
11-5
7-9
7-9
6-10
3-13
I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
Yet you think you're special because the browns beat up the Steelers in the 1950's...and you weren't even there.
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And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
C'mon man. I have always thought of you as one of the few reasonable debaters here...cut out the denial crap.
At least I said the browns had an edge in the 80's.
The Steelers were 10-5 vs. the browns during the 1990's...including a 3 game sweep in 1994 which resulted in a 29-9 Steeler romp over the browns in the playoffs...to be followed by another sweep the following year.
The Steelers won 6 straight over the browns before bidding them adieu to Baltimore.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league.
Captain obvious? The dude said the 2010's have yet to be written...just pointed out at 1-7 the browns have got of catching up to do.
I guess you want to be Captain Denial by pointing out that the browns have sucked ONLY the past 15yrs., when they have sucked througout the 90's....merely picking up where they left off when they returned.
browns in the 90's..
2-14
5-11
11-5
7-9
7-9
6-10
3-13
I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
Yet you think you're special because the browns beat up the Steelers in the 1950's...and you weren't even there.
And like I said, except for one year, the Steelers didn't hold any edge over the Browns during the 90s....so the analysis goes both ways.
C'mon man. I have always thought of you as one of the few reasonable debaters here...cut out the denial crap.
At least I said the browns had an edge in the 80's.
The Steelers were 10-5 vs. the browns during the 1990's...including a 3 game sweep in 1994 which resulted in a 29-9 Steeler romp over the browns in the playoffs...to be followed by another sweep the following year.
The Steelers won 6 straight over the browns before bidding them adieu to Baltimore.
First off, you need to do something about how you present your post. Use a different color or something. I had trouble figuring out what you posted. It shouldn't be that hard even for a Steeler fan.
And yes....it was one year: As I noted, in ever year of that decade the Browns and Steelers split.....except for the 1994 year...and the 1995 year of turmoil...I noted the 3 game sweep in 1994....but discount 1995 because of the idiocy that occurred with Modell that year.
I guess you want to be Captain obvious by pointing out that the Browns have sucked the last 15 years. Lets just point out that the Steelers have been nor more dominant over the Browns in that period than any other team in the league.
Captain obvious? The dude said the 2010's have yet to be written...just pointed out at 1-7 the browns have got of catching up to do.
I guess you want to be Captain Denial by pointing out that the browns have sucked ONLY the past 15yrs., when they have sucked througout the 90's....merely picking up where they left off when they returned.
browns in the 90's..
2-14
5-11
11-5
7-9
7-9
6-10
3-13
That is about a .500 record....and the Browns were in the playoffs until the bomb exploded. (and hell, even if they were going 2-14 or 3-13 those years, they were still beating the Steelers....again, except for 1994/1995.
I mean, the Browns have about as bad a record against the Jaguars as they do against the Steelers. So don't think you are anything special. I think the Ravens have about the same record vs. the Browns.
Yet you think you're special because the browns beat up the Steelers in the 1950's...and you weren't even there.
And I would wager you were probably not there in the 70s either. I am special because I am special. I am smarter and better looking than any of yinz....and it has nothing to do with football.
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