Here Come The Suspensions....
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It absolutly is a major problem. How is getting kicked off two teams and suspended twice by the NFL not a major problem?
Hello!
One other thought on the delay... given the circumstances around his passenger in the traffic stop, it seems plausible that the league, if not the team, pulled the trigger on a "for cause" drug test. We could be awaiting the results of that test, or its confirming split.
It absolutly is a major problem. How is getting kicked off two teams and suspended twice by the NFL not a major problem?
Hello!
You are not describing a personal problem which is what my post was about. You are describing consequences that impact the individual and the team. Yes, the consequences are a major PITA for all concerned.
If Gordon had a chronic, i.e., major, problem such as a psychological addiction to weed, then he would never pass a piss test. Instead what we have is a series of discrete, events including:
- a failed marijuana test in college;
- a failed codeine test in the pros; and
- a failed test of as yet unknown detail in the pros.
If you want to toss in two "guilt-by-association" possession charges, that's your call. As of now, I give them no weight. However, if there turns out to be a failed, for-cause test stemming from this latest incident, then I'll join you.
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It absolutly is a major problem. How is getting kicked off two teams and suspended twice by the NFL not a major problem?
Hello!
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I'm with you...it is a major problem. If he's suspended for the year, I'm cutting his ass and moving on.
If he's suspended for a year, his contract gets voided for that year, so when he's back we get him for two years on his rookie contract. If I'm GM, I basically plan for life without him, then make use of him when he's not suspended - at $800k this year, it's not a big expense.
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I'm with you...it is a major problem. If he's suspended for the year, I'm cutting his ass and moving on.
If he's suspended for a year, his contract gets voided for that year, so when he's back we get him for two years on his rookie contract. If I'm GM, I basically plan for life without him, then make use of him when he's not suspended - at $800k this year, it's not a big expense.
If he's suspended for a year, his contract gets voided for that year, so when he's back we get him for two years on his rookie contract. If I'm GM, I basically plan for life without him, then make use of him when he's not suspended - at $800k this year, it's not a big expense.
yes, this is what the browns should do. i know i said i'd cut him but then the browns get no recovery and nothing for giving this kid a shot in the first place. and like many of us have said, you know as soon as he decides to cut the ties with the weed and the people involved with it and takes his supension and goes to treatment, it'd be our luck to cut him, he gets signed by whoever and has a hall of fame career.
at this point it won't be costing the browns anything except a spot on the 'unable to perform" list (or whatever it's called) and no money going his way. why not wait out the year or whatever it turns out to be?
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One other thought on the delay... given the circumstances around his passenger in the traffic stop, it seems plausible that the league, if not the team, pulled the trigger on a "for cause" drug test. We could be awaiting the results of that test, or its confirming split.
It absolutly is a major problem. How is getting kicked off two teams and suspended twice by the NFL not a major problem?
Hello!
You are not describing a personal problem which is what my post was about. You are describing consequences that impact the individual and the team. Yes, the consequences are a major PITA for all concerned.
If Gordon had a chronic, i.e., major, problem such as a psychological addiction to weed, then he would never pass a piss test. Instead what we have is a series of discrete, events including:
- a failed marijuana test in college;
- a failed codeine test in the pros; and
- a failed test of as yet unknown detail in the pros.
If you want to toss in two "guilt-by-association" possession charges, that's your call. As of now, I give them no weight. However, if there turns out to be a failed, for-cause test stemming from this latest incident, then I'll join you.
One other thought on the delay... given the circumstances around his passenger in the traffic stop, it seems plausible that the league, if not the team, pulled the trigger on a "for cause" drug test. We could be awaiting the results of that test, or its confirming split.
You are not describing a personal problem which is what my post was about. You are describing consequences that impact the individual and the team. Yes, the consequences are a major PITA for all concerned.
If Gordon had a chronic, i.e., major, problem such as a psychological addiction to weed, then he would never pass a piss test. Instead what we have is a series of discrete, events including:
- a failed marijuana test in college;
- a failed codeine test in the pros; and
- a failed test of as yet unknown detail in the pros.
If you want to toss in two "guilt-by-association" possession charges, that's your call. As of now, I give them no weight. However, if there turns out to be a failed, for-cause test stemming from this latest incident, then I'll join you.
You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it
is a pretty big problem.
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it's to the point where gordon has to cut ties with all his running buddies, go into long-term treatment and have a contract laden with risk management clauses. hey if he turns it around and does all that then fine. the first time he gets pulled over and he's hanging out with a weed buddy (i'm sure they know who his peeps are) he gets nothing except a quick boot out the door.
it's to the point where gordon has to cut ties with all his running buddies, go into long-term treatment and have a contract laden with risk management clauses. hey if he turns it around and does all that then fine. the first time he gets pulled over and he's hanging out with a weed buddy (i'm sure they know who his peeps are) he gets nothing except a quick boot out the door.
I agree. His "friends" are probably mostly the cause of his trouble. Shame Josh is throwing it away for a thug mentality.
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Chris Carter stated that he doesn't think Gordon has "hit bottom" yet & won't respond to help until he does. Until Gordon decides to get help, it can't be forced upon him.
I also agree that when any substance affects your job, it's a BIG problem. Gordon needs to "man up".
Mike
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If someone already mentioned this "My bad", but, with the Arizona LB getting a year suspension, doesn't that set a precedent the league has to follow in Gordon's case?
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Don't know the specifics of his college travails but at least he was able to pass all his whiz quizzes during camp and the regular season. who the fuck knows, maybe he plays better after a few kush one hits.
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well hill got popped 3 times and was just cut by the giants. he only received six games. (which is crazy).
so that's one more failed test than gordon but i don't think he had the extra baggage (as in friends with baggage).
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One other thought on the delay... given the circumstances around his passenger in the traffic stop, it seems plausible that the league, if not the team, pulled the trigger on a "for cause" drug test. We could be awaiting the results of that test, or its confirming split.
You are not describing a personal problem which is what my post was about. You are describing consequences that impact the individual and the team. Yes, the consequences are a major PITA for all concerned.
If Gordon had a chronic, i.e., major, problem such as a psychological addiction to weed, then he would never pass a piss test. Instead what we have is a series of discrete, events including:
- a failed marijuana test in college;
- a failed codeine test in the pros; and
- a failed test of as yet unknown detail in the pros.
If you want to toss in two "guilt-by-association" possession charges, that's your call. As of now, I give them no weight. However, if there turns out to be a failed, for-cause test stemming from this latest incident, then I'll join you.
You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it
is a pretty big problem.
You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it is a pretty big problem.
So you're saying it's a big problem?
Seriously, bp, we are only disagreeing on what "it" is.
As for me making excuses... no. I am neither making excuses nor jumping to conclusions. What I am doing is waiting for the remaining facts to come out.
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Any word on when we may know? Does the NFL have set dates for these types of announcements?
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when we know about irsay we'll know about gordon.
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Seems to me this is taking entirely too long.
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Seems to me this is taking entirely too long.
Seems to me this is taking entirely too long.
I agree 1000%.
For information that was posted so long ago, the final decision should have been made by now. What has it been, a month?
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I still think the length of time to make the decision bodes well, like there are extrenuating circumstances. My thought is that if it's offense number whatever, the book says that means a year. Why aren't they just going with what the book says and be done with it?
Plus, the longer it goes, the more legitimate the beef the Browns would have with the NFL for not making their mind up sooner. It deprives us of time to put a back up plan into place. Not that they would care or anything.
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One other thought on the delay... given the circumstances around his passenger in the traffic stop, it seems plausible that the league, if not the team, pulled the trigger on a "for cause" drug test. We could be awaiting the results of that test, or its confirming split.
You are not describing a personal problem which is what my post was about. You are describing consequences that impact the individual and the team. Yes, the consequences are a major PITA for all concerned.
If Gordon had a chronic, i.e., major, problem such as a psychological addiction to weed, then he would never pass a piss test. Instead what we have is a series of discrete, events including:
- a failed marijuana test in college;
- a failed codeine test in the pros; and
- a failed test of as yet unknown detail in the pros.
If you want to toss in two "guilt-by-association" possession charges, that's your call. As of now, I give them no weight. However, if there turns out to be a failed, for-cause test stemming from this latest incident, then I'll join you.
You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it
is a pretty big problem.
You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it
is a pretty big problem.
Hey Peen. What's up?
It's amazing how many people are making excuses for Gordon. That's probably part of the reason he is still making the same mistakes over and over and over again. His athletic talent proably always convinced others to defend his poor decisions.
I personally don't care for marijuana. On the other hand, I don't think it is all that bad. If they want to legalize it........fine. However, the NFL says it is a banned substance. And when you have been kicked out of one university and failed another test at a second university and then failed 3-4 more tests in less than 2 years in the NFL, and then are pulled over for speeding w/marijuana in your car...............how can anyone say it is NOT a problem?
Oh, I know.............because he is a good player and we should just look the other way while he continually breaks the rules.
Pfffttttttt...........our society creates it's own monsters. Great example for our youth. It's okay to break the rules as long as you are athletic enough to help us win.
Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You are making excuses for the guy. I don't care what your views on pot are.....but it is crazy to say it isn't a major problem when your actions start causing you to lose employment.
How is that not a BIG problem? It's like you are telling me and others that robbing banks isn't a problem. Only the consequences of getting caught are the problem.
I don't think smoking weed is the worst thing in the world....unless you are in a job that doesn't allow it and tests for it....then it
is a pretty big problem.
Hey Peen. What's up?
It's amazing how many people are making excuses for Gordon. That's probably part of the reason he is still making the same mistakes over and over and over again. His athletic talent proably always convinced others to defend his poor decisions.
I personally don't care for marijuana. On the other hand, I don't think it is all that bad. If they want to legalize it........fine. However, the NFL says it is a banned substance. And when you have been kicked out of one university and failed another test at a second university and then failed 3-4 more tests in less than 2 years in the NFL, and then are pulled over for speeding w/marijuana in your car...............how can anyone say it is NOT a problem?
Oh, I know.............because he is a good player and we should just look the other way while he continually breaks the rules.
Pfffttttttt...........our society creates it's own monsters. Great example for our youth. It's okay to break the rules as long as you are athletic enough to help us win.
Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Peen. What's up?
It's amazing how many people are making excuses for Gordon. That's probably part of the reason he is still making the same mistakes over and over and over again. His athletic talent proably always convinced others to defend his poor decisions.
I personally don't care for marijuana. On the other hand, I don't think it is all that bad. If they want to legalize it........fine. However, the NFL says it is a banned substance. And when you have been kicked out of one university and failed another test at a second university and then failed 3-4 more tests in less than 2 years in the NFL, and then are pulled over for speeding w/marijuana in your car...............how can anyone say it is NOT a problem?
Oh, I know.............because he is a good player and we should just look the other way while he continually breaks the rules.
Pfffttttttt...........our society creates it's own monsters. Great example for our youth. It's okay to break the rules as long as you are athletic enough to help us win.
Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS!^^^
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Hey Mike, how are things in Canton?
I live in SC now, but still own a home in Perry Twp. Had a recent surgery, but am hoping to drive back up to my beloved Buckeye state after Father's Day. We'll see. I heard Klinefelter retired. He was a great coach. The area looks a bit more depressed each year. We buy every-fucking-thing from China and neglect our own. Very upsetting.
Sorry for getting off track..............back to Gordon.
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hey when you make that trip up here maybe you can VEeR off the road and do us all a favor.
STFU.
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