Senior Bowl notes
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King was surprisingly disruptive in the run game for a guy his size (6'2", 275 lbs.). He's going to be a nice rotational player for a 4-3 team. With a little more bulk, he could be a nice 4-3 UT.
- Safety David Bruton got beat deep by Quan Cosby, but the pass was slightly overthrown.
- CB Alphonso Smith was beat on crossing routes by bigger receivers early in the game, but he also jumped a route and would have made an interception had his normally stellar hands not malfunctioned.
- Safety William Moore continued his suckage, taking a bad angle on Jennings' long run. He then left the game with an injury.
Aloysius said:
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King was surprisingly disruptive in the run game for a guy his size (6'2", 275 lbs.). He's going to be a nice rotational player for a 4-3 team. With a little more bulk, he could be a nice 4-3 UT.
- Safety David Bruton got beat deep by Quan Cosby, but the pass was slightly overthrown.
- CB Alphonso Smith was beat on crossing routes by bigger receivers early in the game, but he also jumped a route and would have made an interception had his normally stellar hands not malfunctioned.
- Safety William Moore continued his suckage, taking a bad angle on Jennings' long run. He then left the game with an injury.
Great job on the analysis...............fucj the NFL Network however.........no disrrespect but since I saw nothing and I value my view way more than even the experts...............I am clueless about this years draft and usually I got the formula but am remiss.....for now
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that "other" USC 'backer — Clay Matthews — also made heads snap back on the field and turn off it. And it's not just because of his lineage (son of Clay Matthews and nephew of Bruce Matthews). He made enough of an impact that many believe he'll be a first-day pick even though he's a former walk-on and a one-year starter.
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Are you criticizing Rey or complimenting him? You just did a complete 360 on me. Now, you think he's another Andra Davis? If we got as many turnovers out of Andra like USC got out of Rey - we wouldn't be looking for an upgrade. Trust me! I think you're taking an exception to the rule with Rey and making it the rule. The same thing can be said about Curry when Navy avoided him all game long. You're not gonna find a plethera of highlights for him in that game because a team RESPECTED him enough to avoid him. They weren't dumb like Clemson and Virginia. Would it be fair on my part to make that the rule and say I didn't see a #5 overall pick because of 1 matchup with Navy? That doesn't make him Andra Davis either.
My recollection is that Oregon State ran at Rey Rey in that game, and with some success. I re-watched it just to key on him: he was absolutely horrible.
Which is my point: Rey is maddeningly inconsistent. Sometimes he's on Curry's level, others he's getting pushed back by lineman and running himself out of plays.
Did you hear Curry's interview on ESPN radio yesterday? Sounded like a GREAT kid with ALOT of good qualities to offer a team. I think we have to prepare for the reality that Curry may go before we pick Aloy. Our inside could use a presence that packs a punch especially when Rogers needs to get off the field and get out of oxygen debt. Jackson can keep grabbing ankles and we'll let Rey do the hitting.
Not at 5. Way too much of a risk.
I just go back to the reports that he cared more about planning his nightlife in Mobile than making sure he knew what to do at practices. Once you give a guy like that top 5 money, what do you think is going to happen?
Aloysius said:
My recollection is that Oregon State ran at Rey Rey in that game, and with some success. I re-watched it just to key on him: he was absolutely horrible.Which is my point: Rey is maddeningly inconsistent. Sometimes he's on Curry's level, others he's getting pushed back by lineman and running himself out of plays.
Not at 5. Way too much of a risk.
I just go back to the reports that he cared more about planning his nightlife in Mobile than making sure he knew what to do at practices. Once you give a guy like that top 5 money, what do you think is going to happen?
This should be really easy then - what more interested LBer outplayed Rey at the Senior Bowl? I didn't see one and neither did you. So where's the validity in saying Rey was more interested in nightlife than football? You make Rey sound like he didn't care about his performance. What's so wrong with just wanting to be 22 year old college kids and checking out the nightlife AFTER they did their job at the Senior Bowl? Football players work their tails off and any kid going to the NFL as a rookie hasn't stopped with pedal to the metal since football began in July. It'll go throughout January, February and March and then minicamps start in April and they'll join offseason workouts for their new NFL teams in April and attend all the minicamps the next couple months.
Therefore, understanding what's in front of them the next 2-3 months - they might as well bond and celebrate now while they still can. You make it sound like Rey was the only kid with a social life urge. Guys going to the Pro Bowl party all week long from what I've read and heard.
If I asked Ken Norton Jr or Pete Carroll should the Browns draft Rey at number 5 overall - you make it sound like they're gonna tell me we had trouble keeping him interested in football because he really aspires to be the next Mike Tyson. I HOPE that's wrong because the kid is talented and trained to kill in the 3-4.
Every year before the draft seedy reports get escalated like the one that told us Adrian Peterson's arm was about ready to fall out of his shoulder socket for good if he doesn't have a season ending surgery before his first game. Guess what? A gem like that guy didn't get picked until #7 overall. And why? Some knucklehead had an inaccurate scoop. Rey's prolly not from your side of town but if we START setting up contract incentives with weight clauses and performance incentives like successful teams do - we just might make it happen. Courtney Brown was an alter boy that said "please give me my paycheck" and "Thank you" upon receipt. The trouble is alter boys don't win football games. Mean basterds do! If Curry is picked ahead of #5 and we need a LBer, I hope our braintrust dots every i and crosses every t in research. I'm tired of looking at this weak LBer Corps. This 3-4 has been brutal to watch the last 4 years. Get LBers or deep 6 the freakin 3-4.
- Tom F.
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@flugel said:
This should be really easy then - what more interested LBer outplayed Rey at the Senior Bowl?On the first two days of practice? Plenty of LB's were better than him.
And your timeline is inaccurate.
The typical explanation for his poor performance early in the week was that he hadn't hired an agent, so he didn't know what he was getting himself into. That may be true, but the report I was referring to had him talking to a reporter about what he could do at night before the week of practices began. Surely he could have spent some of that recreation-planning time either hiring an agent or finding out for himself what he'd be doing in practice.
And on your comparison of the Senior Bowl to the Pro Bowl...come on! Do you really believe those two are at all comparable?
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I've been pondering this Curry v. Rey thing all day and here's my bottom line:
The Browns cannot afford another bust and therefore, they MUST take Curry if he's available.
Curry already is showing signs of being prepared to be a PROFESSIONAL football player, a guy who understands that there's more to being a top-5 pick than money or playing time.
Rey, on the other hand, just continues to act like an immature young man who PLAYS football.
That's a huge difference between two guys who are the same age and at the same life-changing juncture and their actions so far speaks volumes about how each of them is likely to handle the seismic life-shift that's about to hit them.
We simply cannot afford another bust and so Rey is not the guy for us. Behold the ugly truth:
Since the Return, we've had 5 busted first-rounders (Couch, Brown, Warren, Green, Faine [busted with us]), 2 first-rounders who were slowed by injury and are beset with ego in K2 and BE, and 1 first-rounder who has barely played in BQ. In 10 years, the only first-round player of DEFINITIVE value for us is Joe Thomas.
That's PATHETIC and it has to stop this year.
We need not just great players, but foundational players, and as many as possible. Let's start with Curry and go from there.
I've been pondering this Curry v. Rey thing all day and here's my bottom line:
The Browns cannot afford another bust and therefore, they MUST take Curry if he's available.
Curry already is showing signs of being prepared to be a PROFESSIONAL football player, a guy who understands that there's more to being a top-5 pick than money or playing time.
Rey, on the other hand, just continues to act like an immature young man who PLAYS football.
That's a huge difference between two guys who are the same age and at the same life-changing juncture and their actions so far speaks volumes about how each of them is likely to handle the seismic life-shift that's about to hit them.
We simply cannot afford another bust and so Rey is not the guy for us. Behold the ugly truth:
Since the Return, we've had 5 busted first-rounders (Couch, Brown, Warren, Green, Faine [busted with us]), 2 first-rounders who were slowed by injury and are beset with ego in K2 and BE, and 1 first-rounder who has barely played in BQ. In 10 years, the only first-round player of DEFINITIVE value for us is Joe Thomas.
That's PATHETIC and it has to stop this year.
We need not just great players, but foundational players, and as many as possible. Let's start with Curry and go from there.
ANd if Curry isn't there...like Most think he won't ????????
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If he isn't, he isn't. We then move on to the next highest player on out board...if that is rey....great...but he he is the #12 guy on our board, I don't think we reach down.
We can us a DB,OL,RB,WR,DL....all of those positions need to be addressed as well.
Whatever we do, we need a safe, solid pick. A guy who can come in day 1 and start for this team. If whoever we pick in round 1 isn't starting opening day, I will view it as a blown pick or sorts(i will say if it is a RB, he doesn't have to be the "starter" but he has to be in a pretty serious rotation from the beginning"
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@shepwrite said:
Sobo's "different dude" opinion on Rey is valid and shared by others. It doesn't seem to affect the way he plays, which is balls to the wall, fast and malicious... but others have said he doesn't come off like he's all there.Yet, that said, he was considered a team leader at USC with a lot of "fire." So, you know... he's complicated (!).
Has anyone ever read about LT showing up hungover and drunk less than 2 hours before openning kickoff? Do you think Parcells and BB made exceptions for LT? Why? When it came time to play ball BOTH Parcells and BB got put on the map because they had LT. Parcells has gone on record about how important that guy was to alot of coaching careers.
Now there's a high maintenance theory that says they should have cut LT's ass. BUT there's also the side of it that when you go into a gridiron brawl - he's your warrior. Ray Lewis wore an orange prison uniform but LOVED football.
What we're getting down to here is when it's time to kickoff does this guy LOVE football? When I'm saying WOW and seeing footballs jarred loose my only answer is "Hell yes!"If our GM is better than our last one, there's goign to be a contract incentive list laced with performance incentives like body weight maintenence, etc. I'm always reading about OTHER teams doing these incentives. Trouble is we get the John Hancock on alot of overpaid free agents and they feel they already earned their signing bonus and current salary. No incentive here.
Like Solon, I've got a feeling one of the 2 teams before us not thinking QB takes Curry. I have other sexy picks listed on offense BUT we have a 3-4 full of LBers without X-factor. Don't understand that and can't.
- Tom F. (This is the time of year where teams want an Peterson to fall from rumors and a Russell to rise with rumors - just remember that with all the "one scout says" reports. Minnesota landed a pretty good RB from that stuff right?)
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No way he's an option at 5. If we trade down? Maybe.
And Grossi's wrong about Curry. I expect he'll quietly walk that one back over the coming weeks.
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In today's PD, Grossi says Curry probably plays OLB, which surprised me. Also quoted Mayock as saying it's the deepest draft for 3-4 pass rushing OLBs in memory.Aloysius said:
Grossi's wrong about Curry. I expect he'll quietly walk that one back over the coming weeks....here's Tony:
Some believe Curry fits better as an inside linebacker in the 3-4. I would definitely consider him, along with USC's Rey Maualuga and perhaps some others. I'll have a better feel for it after the NFL combine in Indianapolis later this month. I would not pick a cornerback at No. 5.
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The problem with rotoworld's argument is that virtually every 3-4 prospect is being projected to a position he didn't play in college.
College DE's like Brown and Orakpo are moving to OLB, ILB's like Maualuga haven't played 3-4 ILB full-time (and he's telling people he'd rather play in a 4-3).
Even a guy like Clint Sintim, who played 3-4 OLB at Virginia, has some question marks because he didn't drop into coverage as much as a pro 3-4 OLB does.
So I don't think the concerns about Curry playing ILB are bigger than they are about any other front seven 3-4 prospect. The guys at rotoworld don't like him as a 3-4 OLB because of his low sack totals. That's fine; I really like him as a 3-4 ILB.
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Rotoworld made a decent point RE: Curry's position in the NFL.
Curry has been widely mocked to the Browns, but they don't need to mess around with more potential positional problems. They need a pure 3-4 rush linebacker.
mz. said:
Rotoworld made a decent point RE: Curry's position in the NFL.Curry has been widely mocked to the Browns, but they don't need to mess around with more potential positional problems. They need a pure 3-4 rush linebacker.
Here is my contention....why the heck do we need a rush OLB when EVERYBODY runs the freakin ball against us! Stop the run FIRST! we have wimbley and hall to rush....we have to stop the swiss cheese D against the run! JMO
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The problem with rotoworld's argument is that virtually every 3-4 prospect is being projected to a position he didn't play in college.
College DE's like Brown and Orakpo are moving to OLB, ILB's like Maualuga haven't played 3-4 ILB full-time (and he's telling people he'd rather play in a 4-3).
Even a guy like Clint Sintim, who played 3-4 OLB at Virginia, has some question marks because he didn't drop into coverage as much as a pro 3-4 OLB does.
So I don't think the concerns about Curry playing ILB are bigger than they are about any other front seven 3-4 prospect. The guys at rotoworld don't like him as a 3-4 OLB because of his low sack totals. That's fine; I really like him as a 3-4 ILB.
Aloysius said:
The problem with rotoworld's argument is that virtually every 3-4 prospect is being projected to a position he didn't play in college.College DE's like Brown and Orakpo are moving to OLB, ILB's like Maualuga haven't played 3-4 ILB full-time (and he's telling people he'd rather play in a 4-3).
Even a guy like Clint Sintim, who played 3-4 OLB at Virginia, has some question marks because he didn't drop into coverage as much as a pro 3-4 OLB does.
So I don't think the concerns about Curry playing ILB are bigger than they are about any other front seven 3-4 prospect. The guys at rotoworld don't like him as a 3-4 OLB because of his low sack totals. That's fine; I really like him as a 3-4 ILB.
Seriously, how many ILBers with a Butkus attitude would tell you they'd prefer a 3-4? Probably 1%. That doesn't change the amt of training Rey has had in a 3-4 by a former NFL DC right? It's not a weakness Aloy - it's an advantage because Carl Banks took 3 years to get really comfortable with the NFL 3-4. And when he finally did, he was outstanding.
As for dropping into coverage: 2 of Rey's All American Highlights are INT returns for TDs. One was vrs Ohio State and the other looked like it was from 2007. Everytime I see a highlight of Rey - it's either a vicious hit or a turnover he was involved in. I see alot of the same goodies from Curry. Curry actually looks more agile (better hips/change of direction) and a step quicker than Rey. I get a strong impression Curry can play either inside or outside and we need that kind of player really bad for our LBer corps. I'd take Curry over everyone but I'd feel damn good if Curry was already selected in we landed rey.
Again, I don't think one of these guys has to suck to prefer us drafting one over the other. Bottom line is we're STILL going to need a new starting LBer in 1 of our 4 LBer spots. Reality is we don't currently have 1 LBer on our roster at this time as impactful as Rey or Curry. You don't see ANY of our LBers jarring footballs loose on collisions. You just don't. James Harrison and Joey Pottymouth had character issues; BUT it appeared their contracts were written in such a way that they had incentive to stay out of trouble and remember exactly what was making them rich. They both won Superbowls and landed in Pro Bowls while other teams can lay claim to refraining from both guys. Does anyone think Lawrence Taylor lacked enormous baggage? That's where you gotta have the RIGHT person in charge to make a Lawrence Taylor a Hall of Fame player remembered for the Giants' jersey instead of an orange prison uniform. The ONLY time that guy wasn't a train wreck was the 60 minutes he was kickin tail on a football field. EVEN the great BB and Bill Parcells accepted the baggage because there's never been a better LBer on this planet. Never! Read up on LT - your jaw will bounce off the floor in shock.
- Tom F.
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