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  • C calfoxwc

    But releasing this terrorist was not required by that agreement.

    We even wanting them to keep HIM in confinement.

    They let him go anyways. So, since that agreement did not

    stipulate that this terrorist was to be released......

    I stand by my original post.

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    S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    But releasing this terrorist was not required by that agreement.

    We even wanting them to keep HIM in confinement.

    They let him go anyways. So, since that agreement did not

    stipulate that this terrorist was to be released......

    I stand by my original post.

    The agreement gave the Iraqi's the right to chose his fate(which they choose poorly in hindsight) along with everyone we transferred to them.

    Like I stated before your title is misleading, if its anyone's fault its the Iraqi's, and Obama is only "guilty" of following through on the agreement that was signed.

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      @calfoxwc said:

      But releasing this terrorist was not required by that agreement.

      We even wanting them to keep HIM in confinement.

      They let him go anyways. So, since that agreement did not

      stipulate that this terrorist was to be released......

      I stand by my original post.

      The agreement gave the Iraqi's the right to chose his fate(which they choose poorly in hindsight) along with everyone we transferred to them.

      Like I stated before your title is misleading, if its anyone's fault its the Iraqi's, and Obama is only "guilty" of following through on the agreement that was signed.

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      @sadbrownsfan said:

      The agreement gave the Iraqi's the right to chose his fate(which they choose poorly in hindsight) along with everyone we transferred to them.

      Like I stated before your title is misleading, if its anyone's fault its the Iraqi's, and Obama is only "guilty" of following through on the agreement that was signed.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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        Not buyin it. It's like saying no matter what Obamao does, it's Bush's fault.

        You can bet they would never have released this trash if Bush were president still.

        Under Obamao, his cowardice and lack of leadership inspires nobody, no country.

        and his pro-Muslim sentiments, well documented, are his basis for these decisions, apparently.

        the title is NOT misleading:

        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/isis-terror-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-was-released-by-obama-from-camp-bucca-in-2009/

        Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), hastransformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world.

        "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq."

        "But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009."

        “This guy was a Salafi (a follower of a fundamentalist brand of Islam), and Saddam’s regime would have kept a close eye on him,” said Dr Michael Knights, an Iraq expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

        “He was also in Camp Bucca for several years, which suggests he was already considered a serious threat when he went in there.”

        That theory seems backed by US intelligence reports from 2005, which describe him as al-Qaeda’s point man in Qaim, a fly-blown town in Iraq’s western desert.

        “Abu Duaa was connected to the intimidation, torture and murder of local civilians in Qaim”, says a Pentagon document. “He would kidnap individuals or entire families, accuse them, pronounce sentence and then publicly execute them.”

        Yes, there was a security agreement. But the Iraqis released this idiot under Obamao,

        whereas nobody would believe they would have done so under Bush and his military's leadership. Besides, Obamao went with the agreement earlier than necessary. They

        weren't ready. It's on Obamao, plain and simple.

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          Not buyin it. It's like saying no matter what Obamao does, it's Bush's fault.

          You can bet they would never have released this trash if Bush were president still.

          Under Obamao, his cowardice and lack of leadership inspires nobody, no country.

          and his pro-Muslim sentiments, well documented, are his basis for these decisions, apparently.

          the title is NOT misleading:

          http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/isis-terror-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-was-released-by-obama-from-camp-bucca-in-2009/

          Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), hastransformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world.

          "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq."

          "But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009."

          “This guy was a Salafi (a follower of a fundamentalist brand of Islam), and Saddam’s regime would have kept a close eye on him,” said Dr Michael Knights, an Iraq expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

          “He was also in Camp Bucca for several years, which suggests he was already considered a serious threat when he went in there.”

          That theory seems backed by US intelligence reports from 2005, which describe him as al-Qaeda’s point man in Qaim, a fly-blown town in Iraq’s western desert.

          “Abu Duaa was connected to the intimidation, torture and murder of local civilians in Qaim”, says a Pentagon document. “He would kidnap individuals or entire families, accuse them, pronounce sentence and then publicly execute them.”

          Yes, there was a security agreement. But the Iraqis released this idiot under Obamao,

          whereas nobody would believe they would have done so under Bush and his military's leadership. Besides, Obamao went with the agreement earlier than necessary. They

          weren't ready. It's on Obamao, plain and simple.

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          @calfoxwc said:

          Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), hastransformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world.

          "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq."

          "But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009."

          2.
          Upon their withdrawal, the United States Forces shall return to the
          Government of Iraq all the facilities and areas provided for the use of the
          combat forces of the United States, based on two lists. The first list of
          agreed facilities and areas shall take effect upon the entry into force of the
          Agreement. The second list shall take effect no later than June 30, 2009, the
          date for the withdrawal of combat forces from the cities, villages, and
          localities. The Government of Iraq may agree to allow the United States
          Forces the use of some necessary facilities for the purposes of this
          Agreement on withdrawal.
          It was shut down in the summer of 2009, as per the agreement(is this part really hard to understand?). Who knows what would have happened under Bush, maybe we would be invading Iran, maybe it would be free cookies for everyone. Maybe we should have just executed everyone in that prison before closing, or transferred them all to Gitmo all 20K of them.
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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            Yes, but Obamao brought the troops out earlier.

            And, this terrorist was let go despite us wanting him kept

            behind bars.

            Obamao doesn't inspire anyone to listen to him. He's an empty suit and

            and big mouth for the left. Iraq didn't listen to us because no other country

            respects Obamao now.

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              Cal can rationalize how everything from heart attacks to thunderstorms can be blamed on Obama. Idiot bullshit that sounds just as bad as the morons who blamed everything on Bush.

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                T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

                Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                  You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                  You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

                  We don't kill them because Obamao. He hopped in his Delorean and influenced all international laws pertaining to warfare and imprisoned enemy combatants.

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                    T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by The Cysko Kid
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                    Ah. It makes perfect sense.

                    As for the laws of warfare and call that we don't really have to adhere to them in this case I think. It's not like they're iraqi army regulars. These are terrorists. Nobody besides other terrorist scum was going to miss them if we quietly had them garroted at gitmo.

                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      Oh I am with you on that. You have to have an end game for these guys. Lock them away forever (not cost effective) or off them. Releasing then to do harm again is absurd.

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                        You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                        You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

                        Because we're supposed to be better than them... Better than the terrorists

                        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                          You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us.

                          Because we're supposed to be better than them... Better than the terrorists

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Because we're supposed to be better than them... Better than the terrorists

                          In other words turn the other cheek?

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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                            woodypeckerhead would bare both cheeks.

                            He rolls coward and liberal.

                            Really bad combination, along with

                            being a stupid young woodpecker.

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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              Mike H translation:

                              "duh...... whatever. I'll just log a vague bitch post like woodpecker"

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                Something must be fucked up in your actual life Cal. Idk what it is, but I hope you're ok

                                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                  Mike H translation:

                                  "duh...... whatever. I'll just log a vague bitch post like woodpecker"

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                                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  Mike H translation:

                                  "duh...... whatever. I'll just log a vague bitch post like woodpecker"

                                  That goddamn Obamao is at it again.He must have gone to Mike H's house and brainwashed him.

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                                    Something must be fucked up in your actual life Cal. Idk what it is, but I hope you're ok

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                                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Something must be fucked up in your actual life Cal. Idk what it is, but I hope you're ok

                                    I joked about his mind slipping but there is a legitimate chance that it is.

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                                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                      yeah. too many tomatoes. I work hard. Arguing stupid crap on this board

                                      is still entertaining.

                                      I did have a screw loose last week, and it caused our garage door to jam, the cable come off

                                      one side, and

                                      we had to call in a tech to fix it.

                                      But he tightened it, fixed the door opener. I'm good.

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