Reciever Situation is on GM Ray Farmer
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There is a school of thought that rookie WRs hardly bust it outta the box and tear up the league. I tend to agree with that, so basically l'm not sold that Watkins coulda been a huge difference maker this year. I don't even think Gordon's first season was all that jaw dropping.
Kinda surprised they released Little too. Thought maybe why not, one more shot? At least into training camp. I figure he really really does suck, or they just don't like him.
I think they're taking a shotgun approach with the wide receiver position. Few vets here, few undrafted rookies there, and see what sticks. Someone's gonna step up.
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Apparently the front office thought that O-Line was a bigger need and drafted the guy they really liked for that role in Bitonio. As such, I expect that he'll be a beast. Regarding the WR situation, I think that if you remove Gordon from the equation the Browns WR corps is light years better than last year. The fact that Gordon hasn't been suspended yet has me clinging to a shred of hope that he'll get a minor (4-6 game) suspension. Time for the lawyers to earn their paychecks.
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Rookie WR's have learning curves. Unless you're a ridiculous talent like Megatron, AJ Green, or Julio Jones or unless you have a perennial Pro Bowl QB throwing you the ball like Randall Cobb, it's hard to come in and be an every-down contributor.
Bitonio was a fantastic pick. Take off the one-year goggles and you can see why Farmer did what he did.
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How about we let the season play out before bitching about draft picks with absolutely no sample size to work with. Hell I could understand bitching in preseason, but now? C'mon now. I hope you started this thread in the hopes of drumming up conversation. Else wise, you probably need to look into a hobby.
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All of this and we still don't know if we're looking at:
Gordon - Austin - Hawkins - Cameron (Burleson, Armstrong?)
at some point during the course of the season.
I don't know about anyone else, but that looks pretty decent to me. And sure as shit better than what we saw last year.
I'm VERY happy with the draft this year (only guy I'm iffy about is Kirksey). Another WR would have been nice to see, but I don't think the team would have been any better with one INSTEAD of Bitonio, etc.
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Well Frenchie, I have a feeling a few guys are going to step up and we will barely miss Gordon. Add in the fact we are going to be a run first team and the WR numbers were going down this year anyway.
Cheer up....we win 10 games this year.
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Yeah....because a rookie is gonna replace Gordon's production.
Smh
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Yeah....because a rookie is gonna replace Gordon's production.
Smh
Who says it has to be a rookie? My only point is wr production was going down anyway as our run production goes up. Some people act like with Gordon out, all of his production will be lost and nobody will do anything to replace it.
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Yeah....because a rookie is gonna replace Gordon's production.
Smh
Who says it has to be a rookie? My only point is wr production was going down anyway as our run production goes up. Some people act like with Gordon out, all of his production will be lost and nobody will do anything to replace it.
Who says it has to be a rookie? My only point is wr production was going down anyway as our run production goes up. Some people act like with Gordon out, all of his production will be lost and nobody will do anything to replace it.
I think Choco was addressing the OP, meaning if we drafted a WR in the first or second, he still wouldn't have replaced Gordon's production. Good point.
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I think it bears pointing out that with Gordon having an all-world season our record
was a stellar 4-12.
I have defended Little in the past but at the end of the day he was a receiver who was
usually unable to get open, and when he did get open he couldn't catch the freakin' ball,
so I wasn't too bent out of shape when he was released.
I tend to agree with TCPO as far as taking off the one year goggles. Going into the draft,
this team had too many holes to be able to fill with one draft. As far as wide receiver goes,
re-read my first sentence.
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I'm still pissed at the draft and our miss at WR in the first and second round. How do you not select Marquise Lee or Jordan Mathews in the second round when you know of Gordon is suspended and it was already a priority position of need? In fact, how do you not address it with the first or second pick in the first round? Then, how do you let Little go? I wanted him out of the organization as well but not with Gordon gone and no draft studs. Now Bennett is cut and I imagine that Austin will not make the team due to injury.
I hate to be negative but Farmer needs to accept responsibility for this situation (an F in my books) as it could cost us a playoff birth. Yes Gordon should stop smoking pot but he's not the GM of the team. Training camp is a couple of months away, but I'm fed up with seeing garbage wide-outs. We really didn't need a Guard that badly.
Thoughts?
Training camp is a couple of months away, but I'm fed up with seeing garbage wide-outs. We really didn't need a Guard that badly.
Thoughts?
As opposed to last season's garbage running attack?
We needed a new RB stable to be sure, but it was also time to spend more than a 3rd on an OG. While I do not expect our 2014 ground game to rewrite history, it should be a vast improvement and that will help our passing game. Plus a solid running game fits our defensive minded HC's approach.
You can only plug so many holes in a given off-season.
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the gap between recent Browns performance and the playoff version is much wider than a perceived whiff on a wr pick
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How about we let the season play out before bitching about draft picks with absolutely no sample size to work with. Hell I could understand bitching in preseason, but now? C'mon now. I hope you started this thread in the hopes of drumming up conversation. Else wise, you probably need to look into a hobby.
How about we let the season play out before bitching about draft picks with absolutely no sample size to work with. Hell I could understand bitching in preseason, but now? C'mon now. I hope you started this thread in the hopes of drumming up conversation. Else wise, you probably need to look into a hobby.
God forbid we discuss the team on a message board. That would be stupid.
Every year people bring up legitimate concerns about certain aspects of the team and every year the homers belittle those concerns.
How about the Browns actually win some games before we start believing that every fucking move they make is golden?
Our WR corps is questionable at best and putrid if you look at it realistically. It doesn't help that we are going to have an inexperienced QB throwing them the ball.
I don't agree w/much of what the original poster said, as I would not have drafted a WR in round 1, but quit acting like the WR unit is not a concern. It is a concern and more than likely---it's a problem area.
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It is also worth noting that Gordon put up ridiculous numbers when the QB position
was the smell of ass. Hoyer was only in the lineup for 2 games and change, and
with merely competent QB play the offensive transformation was pretty amazing.
Of course the WR position is a concern. So was QB, RB, CB, OL, ILB.
There was no way in hell we were going to satisfactorily address every position of
glaring need with one draft.
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I think youre over-reacting a bit. He may know something we dont on Gordon. Bennett was probably terrible in OTA's. As was stated earlier, rookie wideouts very rarely tear up the league their rookie years. IMO guard was one of our top needs, and had he been there at 4 Robinson would have been the pick. Pettine wants to run the ball, a lot. Gordon wont be out all year, we have Austin, Burleson, Hawkins, 3 undrafted guys with some potential, a guy we brought in last year named Charles Johnson (who I think is turning some heads), and Benjamin. Theres more than enough talent there, especially when you factor in Cameron catching 60-70 balls.
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Bennett is getting cut because Armstrong has been better.
Young got cut because Thiggy was better.
Groves got cut because they figured they had younger lbs that could do better.
Farmer is strengthening the roster by bringing in competition at the bottom of it.
As for the WRs, Burleson, Hawkins, Austin, Benjamin and Armstrong are 5 guys that will give you good play on Sundays. Then there are the young WRs.
Ya, the WRs are on Farmer. I know we were spoiled by Bess and Little & MoMass and Robiskie ... but Im thinking Farmer's posse will be alright.
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I think this team has made it clear they expect to build from the basics up. Defense first, O-line second and a QB to act like more of a point guard than a needle threading play call changer. Get the ball. Hold with great D and keep it with a great O-line blocking for power runners who know how to catch screens as well. Don;t be surprised if they go for a RT first pick next year to bookend with Thomas.
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How about we let the season play out before bitching about draft picks with absolutely no sample size to work with. Hell I could understand bitching in preseason, but now? C'mon now. I hope you started this thread in the hopes of drumming up conversation. Else wise, you probably need to look into a hobby.
God forbid we discuss the team on a message board. That would be stupid.
Every year people bring up legitimate concerns about certain aspects of the team and every year the homers belittle those concerns.
How about the Browns actually win some games before we start believing that every fucking move they make is golden?
Our WR corps is questionable at best and putrid if you look at it realistically. It doesn't help that we are going to have an inexperienced QB throwing them the ball.
I don't agree w/much of what the original poster said, as I would not have drafted a WR in round 1, but quit acting like the WR unit is not a concern. It is a concern and more than likely---it's a problem area.
How about the browns actually play some games before you get all know it all and try to claim you know how the receiver unit will be before training camp starts?How about the Browns actually win some games before we start believing that every fucking move they make is golden?
M'Kay? Why can others not speculate while you can? Ya know....god forbid we discuss things on a message board right?
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I cringe ant the notion that people feel the Josh Gordon suspension reports should have any influence over a draft strategy... suspensions are short term complication to the roster, the draft is a long term solution to long term gaps in the roster.
If the Browns leave their plan and draft a WR because of the suspension they are essentially solving a 8-16 game gap (allegedly) problem with a 4 year solution (rookie contract length for RD 1 or 2 slot).
That's assuming that WR can contribute right away but like it has been mentioned on the forum already it takes time for the WR to adjust to the game. An argument can be made that the vets that they brought in have more of a chance to contribute more immediately to the offense with an untested QB and new system (both Hoyer and Manzel fall into the untested category IMO).
Bottom line is they had a plan, stuck to it and are addressing a short term problem with a short term solution vs changing the plan to try an fix a short term problem with a long term solution at the expense of not solving a long term problem (CB,QB,G) with the long term solution.
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With Gordon likely out for at least 6 games and a scheme that is very friendly to TE, you can bet Cameron, who by all reports has elevated his game to the next level this year in camp, will top last year's production. Their is a perfect storm brewing for him.Yeah....because a rookie is gonna replace Gordon's production.
Smh
To the OPs point, the Browns did have receivers flagged on their board for the second 1st round pick, the second round pick, and the third round. In each case, the guys were taken. So Farmer stayed true to his board rather than reach for a WR. This is the first time since the team returned that I've seen such unity of vision between owner, coach, and GM and that's the main reason this team is going to be a contender soon.
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