Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@everlastingxxx said:
I dont disagree with your general view but i think we have a different definition of what a fan is. I think you can be a fan of a single player. I do think the team can grow on you much like Texas A&M did to me. Anyone who plays fantasy football can probably agree. If you think that somehow makes them less of a fan, then i think you are trying to pigeon hole the term fan.
I think some Brown fans obsess over the past and project it onto the future. Instead of judging Manziel on his own, he has to cure the Browns 31 QB curse too. I see myself as a very level headed knowledgeable football fan. I donβt limit my thinking with outdated views.
OK, but you are focussed on one single individual...and you only see what the potential of that one individual may be....because you like him.
And you are right....I am focussed on rooting for my team....not just for some guy.
And to us....who have been here....just see him as another guy......that hopefully won't turn out like the other guys that preceded him.
But yes, because we don't have our nostrils so near his anus as you do, we do see things more objectively.
We seem him merely as another candidate to be be the one to take the crown. But we also know that there have been candidates before him that have had somewhat similar histories.
I mean, we had the Golden Boy from Notre Dame.
The guy who won more college football games than anyone else.
We had the Red Rifle
We had the guy that made the grass in Kentucky blue.
So, let's put it this way: JFF has something to prove to us.
If he actually does fail like those other false Messiahs, well, unfortuneatly it is something we are used to by now. We are not going to jump off Terminal Tower......but I may have concerns about you....and may want to alert the security forces of the tallest building in Katy TX to keep you off their roof. (Can I assume we are probably talking about a grain silo?)
A cosmic coincidence, but the Red Rifle is Andy Dalton's nickname, who is apparently from Katy, TX.We had the Red Rifle
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i always thought the bloody wings and the red rifle could be had on the same night?
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if i have a fantasy football player (let's say aj green) that does not make me a bengals fan? no. does it make me root for him to get certain points? yes. doesn't mean "let's go bengals!"
there are only a couple of JF fans on here who totally love him and could care less about the browns......to them i say find yourself a JF forum.
no disrespect, but why torture us with your misgivings about the team we root for to promote the player you love?
if i have a fantasy football player (let's say aj green) that does not make me a bengals fan? no. does it make me root for him to get certain points? yes. doesn't mean "let's go bengals!"
there are only a couple of JF fans on here who totally love him and could care less about the browns......to them i say find yourself a JF forum.
no disrespect, but why torture us with your misgivings about the team we root for to promote the player you love?
fantasy football has strong undercurrents of covert gayness
f katy
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Actually, I hope not. I hope he is much better. FYI, no offense to him because he is an all time favorite, but, Brian Sipe never won a single postseason game for the Browns......and I certainly hope/wish/expect JFF to do better than that.
The only Browns QB to ever win a League MVP award. Yeah he wasn't that good. Ozzie lost that PO game against the raiders or he would of had a win.
The only Browns QB to ever win a League MVP award. Yeah he wasn't that good. Ozzie lost that PO game against the raiders or he would of had a win.
Regarding Sipe's MVP- yes, he was that good for a couple of years. But to blame that playoff loss on Ozzie is ridiculous. I should know, I was there, and had a ringside seat in what was to become the Dawg Pound. If you want to pin the blame on anyone for that loss- put it on Coach Riverboat Sam. Yeah, it was cold- but they were in easy Don Cockroft FG range- that would have won the game. FWIW Newsome was triple covered- the second Sipe let go of the ball it was obvious there was no way in hell Ozzie would have a chance at it- it was badly underthrown. BTW, Dave Logan happened to be wide open on the other side.
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A cosmic coincidence, but the Red Rifle is Andy Dalton's nickname, who is apparently from Katy, TX.We had the Red Rifle
A cosmic coincidence, but the Red Rifle is Andy Dalton's nickname, who is apparently from Katy, TX.
Oh,,,,OK....what was Weeden's nickname?
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A cosmic coincidence, but the Red Rifle is Andy Dalton's nickname, who is apparently from Katy, TX.
Oh,,,,OK....what was Weeden's nickname?
Oh,,,,OK....what was Weeden's nickname?
The crimson cannon. The ginger Gatling gun. The strawberry slingshot. The henna howitzer.
WSS
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Oh,,,,OK....what was Weeden's nickname?
The crimson cannon. The ginger Gatling gun. The strawberry slingshot. The henna howitzer.
WSS
The crimson cannon. The ginger Gatling gun. The strawberry slingshot. The henna howitzer.
WSS
The underhanded orang-utan.
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Since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in May, noted college party animal Johnny Manziel has addressed those concerns by:1. Partying in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzling from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appearing on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.Doing one of those things is not ideal, but whatever, he's having a little fun. Doing two of them? That's a concern. Doing all three -- and all in about three weeks?This is a train wreck we're watching.Here's what you're not going to read: Advice to Johnny Manziel. Tell that kid to grow up? Not going to happen here. Near as I can tell, it hasn't happened anywhere. Manziel was a hellion when he got to Texas A&M and he was a hellion when he left. In between he generated so much money that coach Kevin Sumlin doubled his salary to $5 million and the school started a $450 million expansion of Kyle Field. Johnny Manziel was the Aggies' golden goose. Tough love? That was never, ever, ever going to happen at College Station.Doesn't seem to be happening at Cleveland, either. Not yet anyway. Barely two weeks after being picked No. 22 overall, noted college party animal Johnny Manziel told Browns coach Mike Pettine that he was going to Vegas for Memorial Day. Pettine's response to his quarterback, according to Pettine himself: "Have fun."The only place where I've seen anything resembling tough love administered to Manziel was in Wright Thompson's eye-popping ESPN The Magazine piece in July, when Manziel's father, Paul, was quoted at length as being concerned about Johnny's drinking: "It could come unraveled. And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad. It's one night away from the phone ringing, and he's in jail."Paul Manziel isn't exactly circumspect with the media. He told the New York Times in November 2012 that he bought his son a car as a bribe to get him to stop drinking as a high school junior. And that it didn't work. In the July story, Paul Manziel told ESPN that his son drinks to deal with pressure.Whether Paul Manziel ever expressed to Johnny his concern about the phone ringing -- and it's gonna be bad, real bad -- that concern is out there, in print, and uttered by an authority figure in Manziel's life. And less than a year later, after being drafted by the Cleveland Browns and coming into a combination of pressure, free time and serious money, this is what Johnny Manziel did to address his alleged immaturity:1. Partied in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzled from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appeared on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.So anyway, this isn't an advice column to Manziel. The kid's a genetic lottery winner, born with abilities shared by very few people, abilities worth millions of dollars. If he doesn't have the maturity to cash in that lottery ticket and become the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, someone else will. Brian Hoyer, perhaps. It's Darwinism, survival of the fittest. If Manziel isn't fit to handle a spot on an NFL roster, someone will replace him. Boo hoo? Nah, not from me. More like: Who's next?One thing I'm noticing this week is the lack of noise around Manziel's frat-boy summer. Have you seen much about it? Seen any hand-wringing? Me either. It's quiet, and I know why:We're scared of the Manziel backlash. We in the media, I mean. Me right here, I know what's coming. The backlash. People who think like, um, Joe Namath, who complained about the busybodies worrying themselves about Manziel by noting, "He's gotta live his life, man. Give him some room ... In his position, he's not entitled to be a regular guy, 22 years old, 21 years old. Everything's blowing out of whack."Two things about that: One, in the photo accompanying that story, Mr. Namath -- Mr. Voice of Reason -- is wearing a fur hoodie. Two, he's inadvertently right about this: Manziel isn't entitled to be a regular guy, 21 or 22 years old. Regular guy? Come on. Manziel's a professional athlete, and not just any professional athlete but a No. 1 draft pick. A quarterback. The Browns drafted him to be their face of the franchise. And their face of the franchise is being photographed floating on an inflatable swan when he's not slurring words into a cell phone made of money.The thing is, Manziel knew the world would be watching. He knew the world would be clucking if he did any of the stuff he was doing at Texas A&M, when he was photographed with bottles of liquor in his hand and sparklers in his mouth and coeds on his arms. He knows people have doubts about his maturity, his ability to handle the freedom that life in the NFL affords a young millionaire.And this is what he did, whether to stick it in the busybodies' face or simply -- and more likely -- because he can:1. Partied in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzled from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appeared on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.Johnny Manziel's NFL career hasn't started well. No chance in hell it ends well.
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If he can perform on Sundays (win) then I don't care how much he drinks. But if it affects his performance I do. So far it hasn't seemed to affect his performance at the college level anyway.
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I'm 99% certain Johnny will drink his way out of the NFL.
I just know. How? Because I'm a Cleveland Brown's fan.
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@everlastingxxx said:
he is living in a society that has reached an all time low and every move he makes is recorded, documented and judged.
everyone is a photog or videographer now with the invention of the camera phone. hope you don't need a hand from joe public because they'll be too busy recording your demise rather than dropping the fucking thing to help you.
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Since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in May, noted college party animal Johnny Manziel has addressed those concerns by:1. Partying in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzling from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appearing on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.Doing one of those things is not ideal, but whatever, he's having a little fun. Doing two of them? That's a concern. Doing all three -- and all in about three weeks?This is a train wreck we're watching.Here's what you're not going to read: Advice to Johnny Manziel. Tell that kid to grow up? Not going to happen here. Near as I can tell, it hasn't happened anywhere. Manziel was a hellion when he got to Texas A&M and he was a hellion when he left. In between he generated so much money that coach Kevin Sumlin doubled his salary to $5 million and the school started a $450 million expansion of Kyle Field. Johnny Manziel was the Aggies' golden goose. Tough love? That was never, ever, ever going to happen at College Station.Doesn't seem to be happening at Cleveland, either. Not yet anyway. Barely two weeks after being picked No. 22 overall, noted college party animal Johnny Manziel told Browns coach Mike Pettine that he was going to Vegas for Memorial Day. Pettine's response to his quarterback, according to Pettine himself: "Have fun."The only place where I've seen anything resembling tough love administered to Manziel was in Wright Thompson's eye-popping ESPN The Magazine piece in July, when Manziel's father, Paul, was quoted at length as being concerned about Johnny's drinking: "It could come unraveled. And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad. It's one night away from the phone ringing, and he's in jail."Paul Manziel isn't exactly circumspect with the media. He told the New York Times in November 2012 that he bought his son a car as a bribe to get him to stop drinking as a high school junior. And that it didn't work. In the July story, Paul Manziel told ESPN that his son drinks to deal with pressure.Whether Paul Manziel ever expressed to Johnny his concern about the phone ringing -- and it's gonna be bad, real bad -- that concern is out there, in print, and uttered by an authority figure in Manziel's life. And less than a year later, after being drafted by the Cleveland Browns and coming into a combination of pressure, free time and serious money, this is what Johnny Manziel did to address his alleged immaturity:1. Partied in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzled from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appeared on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.So anyway, this isn't an advice column to Manziel. The kid's a genetic lottery winner, born with abilities shared by very few people, abilities worth millions of dollars. If he doesn't have the maturity to cash in that lottery ticket and become the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, someone else will. Brian Hoyer, perhaps. It's Darwinism, survival of the fittest. If Manziel isn't fit to handle a spot on an NFL roster, someone will replace him. Boo hoo? Nah, not from me. More like: Who's next?One thing I'm noticing this week is the lack of noise around Manziel's frat-boy summer. Have you seen much about it? Seen any hand-wringing? Me either. It's quiet, and I know why:We're scared of the Manziel backlash. We in the media, I mean. Me right here, I know what's coming. The backlash. People who think like, um, Joe Namath, who complained about the busybodies worrying themselves about Manziel by noting, "He's gotta live his life, man. Give him some room ... In his position, he's not entitled to be a regular guy, 22 years old, 21 years old. Everything's blowing out of whack."Two things about that: One, in the photo accompanying that story, Mr. Namath -- Mr. Voice of Reason -- is wearing a fur hoodie. Two, he's inadvertently right about this: Manziel isn't entitled to be a regular guy, 21 or 22 years old. Regular guy? Come on. Manziel's a professional athlete, and not just any professional athlete but a No. 1 draft pick. A quarterback. The Browns drafted him to be their face of the franchise. And their face of the franchise is being photographed floating on an inflatable swan when he's not slurring words into a cell phone made of money.The thing is, Manziel knew the world would be watching. He knew the world would be clucking if he did any of the stuff he was doing at Texas A&M, when he was photographed with bottles of liquor in his hand and sparklers in his mouth and coeds on his arms. He knows people have doubts about his maturity, his ability to handle the freedom that life in the NFL affords a young millionaire.And this is what he did, whether to stick it in the busybodies' face or simply -- and more likely -- because he can:1. Partied in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzled from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appeared on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.Johnny Manziel's NFL career hasn't started well. No chance in hell it ends well.Here's what you're not going to read: Advice to Johnny Manziel. Tell that kid to grow up? Not going to happen here. Near as I can tell, it hasn't happened anywhere. Manziel was a hellion when he got to Texas A&M and he was a hellion when he left. In between he generated so much money that coach Kevin Sumlin doubled his salary to $5 million and the school started a $450 million expansion of Kyle Field. Johnny Manziel was the Aggies' golden goose. Tough love? That was never, ever, ever going to happen at College Station.Doesn't seem to be happening at Cleveland, either. Not yet anyway. Barely two weeks after being picked No. 22 overall, noted college party animal Johnny Manziel told Browns coach Mike Pettine that he was going to Vegas for Memorial Day. Pettine's response to his quarterback, according to Pettine himself: "Have fun."The only place where I've seen anything resembling tough love administered to Manziel was in Wright Thompson's eye-popping ESPN The Magazine piece in July, when Manziel's father, Paul, was quoted at length as being concerned about Johnny's drinking: "It could come unraveled. And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad. It's one night away from the phone ringing, and he's in jail."Paul Manziel isn't exactly circumspect with the media. He told the New York Times in November 2012 that he bought his son a car as a bribe to get him to stop drinking as a high school junior. And that it didn't work. In the July story, Paul Manziel told ESPN that his son drinks to deal with pressure.Whether Paul Manziel ever expressed to Johnny his concern about the phone ringing -- and it's gonna be bad, real bad -- that concern is out there, in print, and uttered by an authority figure in Manziel's life. And less than a year later, after being drafted by the Cleveland Browns and coming into a combination of pressure, free time and serious money, this is what Johnny Manziel did to address his alleged immaturity:1. Partied in Vegas with Rob Gronkowski.2. Guzzled from a bottle of champagne while floating on an inflatable swan in Austin.3. Appeared on an Instagram video at a party in Houston with Drake, presumably drunk and definitely using a stack of money as a phone.So anyway, this isn't an advice column to Manziel. The kid's a genetic lottery winner, born with abilities shared by very few people, abilities worth millions of dollars. If he doesn't have the maturity to cash in that lottery ticket and become the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, someone else will. Brian Hoyer, perhaps. It's Darwinism, survival of the fittest. If Manziel isn't fit to handle a spot on an NFL roster, someone will replace him. Boo hoo? Nah, not from me. More like: Who's next?Johnny Manziel's NFL career hasn't started well. No chance in hell it ends well.
@everlastingxxx said:
Johnny Manziel doesnt live in a box. Alcoholism is an issue for people around the world for thousands of years. Only thing different about JF is he is living in a society that has reached an all time low and every move he makes is recorded, documented and judged. All of us that enjoy drinking have to be careful with its downfalls. Especially kids who dont understand the limits yet.
Listen to Joe kid.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360606/article/joe-haden-to-johnny-manziel-get-a-phone-valet
It's enough for concern- heavy binge drinking starting in HS is heading down the wrong path fast- any drug counselor will tell you that.
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Manziel needs to listen to the advice. But I doubt he will.
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I'm 99% certain Johnny will drink his way out of the NFL.
I just know. How? Because I'm a Cleveland Brown's fan.
I'm 99% certain Johnny will drink his way out of the NFL.
I just know. How? Because I'm a Cleveland Brown's fan.
So that means that he's going to have a stellar NFL career. After all, I'm sure you predict us to have 10-6 seasons every year and we do the opposite.
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Camp isn't close to starting and our vets are having to "go on the record" regarding their thoughts & advice on JB's off the field antics. He's already a distraction, just wait until camp/pre-season/season starts.................. Careful what you wish for, you may get it.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think when someone like Haden speaks you should listen. He said everyone is having fun but have to be careful with his friends and their cell phones. I agree with that but i dont think Manziel cares if they record him. He probably should because it can become a distraction once the season starts. Its the offseason, not a big deal. Alot of people binge drink, its not a big of deal. As long as you dont break the law and your play on the field doesnt suffer.
But how many of these people will be the face of a NFL franchise? I can't see how a long night of binge drinking won't affect practice the next day.
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Camp isn't close to starting and our vets are having to "go on the record" regarding their thoughts & advice on JB's off the field antics. He's already a distraction, just wait until camp/pre-season/season starts.................. Careful what you wish for, you may get it.
Camp isn't close to starting and our vets are having to "go on the record" regarding their thoughts & advice on JB's off the field antics. He's already a distraction, just wait until camp/pre-season/season starts.................. Careful what you wish for, you may get it.
Tell that to the 16 year old internet poster.
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1. He's a Pro now, not an amateur college kid.
2. The Browns are paying him a lot of $ and like anyone else, he has to do what they expect of him.
3. Grow up.
ps. I'll be working around my house, and making sure I can put my daughter through college while paying all my bills.
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@everlastingxxx said:
1. Its the offseason.
2. Browns knew what they signed up for.
3. Get a life.
ps. Headed to go nude camping.
Meeting up with JFF?
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