I got yer mmgw proof of bs right here
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You posted an article claiming that since the temperature in the US has shown a decline over 15 years, that global warming was a hoax; I explained that since the warming is *global* the temperature of the US is not the absolute indicator of whether global warming is happening or not.
You posted some 'Fun facts about carbon dioxide'; I gave you a scientific rebuttal of the points it tried to make.
So now you're saying that *I'm* not proving anything?
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Speaking of fun facts I remember one of the guys on the left a year ago giving me that same statistic after I said that minor and unilateral changes by the United States couldn't make a difference. He said yes over the last 15 years the temperatures actually gone down!
WSS
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Just found this, although the accent is terrible...
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I just want to point out one thing to the alarmists. Notice that he has changed the premise when he mentions that one out of four Americans are skeptical and think that the effect of global warming may be exaggerated. Then he goes on to say that one out of four people deny man-made global warming exists at all which was not the question. One out of four believe set the reports are exaggerated. Do you, Chris or woody, believe that it's possible that many of these reports might be exaggerated? And we are talking about the predictions of long-term and short term damage. They have always been exaggerated up to now and I don't see any reason to think that will change.
That disingenuous style of reporting is what allows the skeptics to get a foothold. You guys really should try to understand that.
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www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
speaking of the accent where do you suppose he's from?
(regionally of course)
WSS
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He's from Birmingham. I lived there for 4 years while at university - I used to love the place, but having moved to London, any time I go back there it seems to small.
To the point, yes, it's over the top journalism. But it does pretty much sum up how I feel about deniers, along with all those debates where it's represented as a 1-vs-1 opinion joust, where scientific views are split down the middle.
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Oh, and, Bill Nye is cool
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He's from Birmingham. I lived there for 4 years while at university - I used to love the place, but having moved to London, any time I go back there it seems to small.
To the point, yes, it's over the top journalism. But it does pretty much sum up how I feel about deniers, along with all those debates where it's represented as a 1-vs-1 opinion joust, where scientific views are split down the middle.
I'm just saying you've changed the debate. The point, to me, is not whether or not global warming exists or whether or not man has an effect. I'm sure both are true. How much damage will it cause, how soon will it happen, how much is directly related to mankind and how to solve it have often been exaggerated.He's from Birmingham. I lived there for 4 years while at university - I used to love the place, but having moved to London, any time I go back there it seems to small.
To the point, yes, it's over the top journalism. But it does pretty much sum up how I feel about deniers, along with all those debates where it's represented as a 1-vs-1 opinion joust, where scientific views are split down the middle.
WSS
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There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree. There should be debate about what we can do to stop it, followed by the adoption of policies putting those ideas in to plan as quickly as feasible.
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There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree. There should be debate about what we can do to stop it, followed by the adoption of policies putting those ideas in to plan as quickly as feasible.
There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree.
And as long as you include the qualifier "at least to some degree" we have a consensus.
WSS
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And as long as you include the qualifier "at least to some degree" we have a consensus.
WSS
Does it matter? If we agree it's happening, then regardless of the degree to which we've caused it, it's a concern for us and we should be doing something about it.
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And as long as you include the qualifier "at least to some degree" we have a consensus.
WSS
Does it matter? If we agree it's happening, then regardless of the degree to which we've caused it, it's a concern for us and we should be doing something about it.
Does it matter? If we agree it's happening, then regardless of the degree to which we've caused it, it's a concern for us and we should be doing something about it.
Of course it matters. Take any other situation that you are not so personally devoted to you and apply the same logic.
Example:
Second hand smoke probably has an effect on health.
Wouldn't it be useful to have some idea of what extent the effect would be?
Or is it enough just to grumble that its probably bad?
WSS
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And again ya gotta love the statement "well we just have to do something!!!"
WSS
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"something" = "vote for liberals" and "let us have a bunch of your money to buy votes for liberals"
and, of course, pay to make poverty and hunger alllllll over the globe go away.
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I just want to point out one thing to the alarmists. Notice that he has changed the premise when he mentions that one out of four Americans are skeptical and think that the effect of global warming may be exaggerated. Then he goes on to say that one out of four people deny man-made global warming exists at all which was not the question. One out of four believe set the reports are exaggerated. Do you, Chris or woody, believe that it's possible that many of these reports might be exaggerated? And we are talking about the predictions of long-term and short term damage. They have always been exaggerated up to now and I don't see any reason to think that will change.
That disingenuous style of reporting is what allows the skeptics to get a foothold. You guys really should try to understand that.
W
I just want to point out one thing to the alarmists. Notice that he has changed the premise when he mentions that one out of four Americans are skeptical and think that the effect of global warming may be exaggerated. Then he goes on to say that one out of four people deny man-made global warming exists at all which was not the question. One out of four believe set the reports are exaggerated. Do you, Chris or woody, believe that it's possible that many of these reports might be exaggerated? And we are talking about the predictions of long-term and short term damage. They have always been exaggerated up to now and I don't see any reason to think that will change.
That disingenuous style of reporting is what allows the skeptics to get a foothold. You guys really should try to understand that.
W
1/4 are "skeptical". I am guessing that means more so that they don't believe man made climate change is real (Cal) than that they think it is overblown. I am also guessing they wouldn't know enough of the specifics about that actual predictions to come up with an educated guess on whether or not it is overblown. That 1/4 number is most likely mostly deniers. IMO at least.
I am not sure who you are talking to when you say "alarmists" either.
Also, just like there are hyperbolic stories on the right, there are hyperbolic stories on the left. I would not be surprised to find an article on some blog saying we're all dead from climate change (Greenpeace? those dumbasses). But, I would like to see an actual scientific study that is considered "alarmist" in your eyes. You say that all the time, that people are freaking out or whatever, or that we're all doomed, but I'd like to see this in a legitimate study. If you can, then I'll read it an comment. I just think your belief that others are claiming "doomsday" are overblown.
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Also, I like that show. Now that I have Xfinity on Demand and HBO, I watch the episode during the week. It is pretty funny.
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There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree. There should be debate about what we can do to stop it, followed by the adoption of policies putting those ideas in to plan as quickly as feasible. Chris
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Really? How about according to a Pew poll, only 40% say that we are causing mmgw.
How about 53% are sceptics. There is no debate about there being plenty of debate on the subject.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/poll-53-of-americans-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/
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It's political theater. it's good for silly people to be a part of the "we are the world"
subculture.
From the link:
ccording to a Pew Research Center poll, 35 percent of Americans say there is not enough solid evidence to mankind is warming the Earth while another 18 percent says the world has warmed due to ānatural patternsā and not human activity.
Thatās a 53 percent majority against the presidentās position.
Of the 35 percent who cite lacking evidence for their disbelief, half say itās because man-made global warming is ājust not happeningā or that we ādonāt know enough yetā about the issue to tell. Pew says that ābusiness
conservativesā and āsteadfast conservativesā have the largest majorities that donāt believe in man-made global warming, with 75 percent and 71 percent, respectively.Forty percent of Americans believe that mankind is causing the planet to warm. So-called āsolid liberalsā are the most likely to say human activity is warming the Earth ā 78 percent of this group believes this to be true.
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There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree. There should be debate about what we can do to stop it, followed by the adoption of policies putting those ideas in to plan as quickly as feasible. Chris
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Really? How about according to a Pew poll, only 40% say that we are causing mmgw.
How about 53% are sceptics. There is no debate about there being plenty of debate on the subject.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/poll-53-of-americans-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/
There's no debate that it's happening, there's no debate that we're causing it to at least some degree. There should be debate about what we can do to stop it, followed by the adoption of policies putting those ideas in to plan as quickly as feasible. Chris
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Really? How about according to a Pew poll, only 40% say that we are causing mmgw.
How about 53% are sceptics. There is no debate about there being plenty of debate on the subject.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/poll-53-of-americans-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/
53% of the ill-informed, media-driven public are sceptical (and that's more the number I was expecting than 1/4). Meanwhile, less than 3% of scientific papers are sceptical. We reached scientific consensus on this matter decades ago, and yet for some reason people are still claiming it's all up in the air.
What matters is what the overwhelming majority of science is saying, rather than what Donald Trump and the Daily Caller (or Huff Post, BBC or anything just to be clear) say.
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I'm just saying you've changed the debate. The point, to me, is not whether or not global warming exists or whether or not man has an effect. I'm sure both are true. How much damage will it cause, how soon will it happen, how much is directly related to mankind and how to solve it have often been exaggerated.He's from Birmingham. I lived there for 4 years while at university - I used to love the place, but having moved to London, any time I go back there it seems to small.
To the point, yes, it's over the top journalism. But it does pretty much sum up how I feel about deniers, along with all those debates where it's represented as a 1-vs-1 opinion joust, where scientific views are split down the middle.
WSS
I'm just saying you've changed the debate. The point, to me, is not whether or not global warming exists or whether or not man has an effect. I'm sure both are true. How much damage will it cause, how soon will it happen, how much is directly related to mankind and how to solve it have often been exaggerated.
WSS
Over-exaggeration and over-sentimentalization in today's media and with the internet? I am sure that never happens
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