Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Is anyone genuinely surprised by any of this? The guy is 21, was already living the spoiled celebrity lifestyle while in college, and just got handed millions of dollars. Did anyone seriously expect him to not go out and party?! I'm pretty sure Farmer/Pettine knew what they were getting themselves in to.
If he's doing damage to his body by putting drugs and stuff in, then that's a concern. If he's getting so drunk he can't get up in the morning and work through his exercise regime to stay fit for trianing camp, then that's a concern. If he's actually just having fun without damaging his body or fitness in any way, while continuing to learn the playbook, then knock yourself out kid.
I guarantee, you give me $8m when I turn 21, I'm not going to sit at home and crochet.
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with that kind of money buy a house in cancun and build yourself the ultimate man cave with a full blown bar and stripper pole(s). invite intimate friends in with one stipulation, no phones.
problem is the kid loves the celebrity so much he'd end up taking selfies all night long.
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@everlastingxxx said:
A post that is out of touch with reality. hoorta
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A level headed post that understands the real world. gftChris
i don't think either one is out of touch reality. i think it greatly depends on the age of who is viewing it. the young people of the 'i deserve it' generation think there is nothing wrong with going out and acting stoopid even though you know every camera is pointed your way. their biggest question that they love to scream aloud is "WHAT!?! WHAT MFer!?! like what you gonna do?
where as people from my generation were brought up in a stable household (sorry guys...not too many single parent households back then...think about it) and know what humility is about and when seeing someone from that generation i mentioned above acting like a fool, we most certainly look down upon it. did we do they same thing as far as going out, getting laid etc. etc.? of course. but WE didn't have the whole world looking at us. given his resources he could sure find ways to do what he wants without getting his picture taken. the problem is he wants his picture taken.
pettine said in a news conference a couple weeks after the JF media horde showed up at berea that "they'll find out if manziel wants to be football player first and celebrity second or a just a celebrity."
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So, the real world is enabling a drunk?
Fucking sheep....
The govt tells y'all a plant is bad to smoke and that make one abuser vilified.
The govt says booze is OK despite a staggering number of deaths, and another abuser is hailed as a kid being a kid.
Surprising that its the young crowd that feels this way, right?
Why is it that that the side effects of abuse are ignored simply because its legal to drink? Does legality lessen the damaging effects?
5 of 5 weekends since being drafted, the lil guy has gotten plastered and posted proof for the world to see. He'll have no one else to blame but himself for failure.
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@everlastingxxx said:
A post that is out of touch with reality. hoorta
VS
A level headed post that understands the real world. gftChris
i don't think either one is out of touch reality. i think it greatly depends on the age of who is viewing it. the young people of the 'i deserve it' generation think there is nothing wrong with going out and acting stoopid even though you know every camera is pointed your way. their biggest question that they love to scream aloud is "WHAT!?! WHAT MFer!?! like what you gonna do?
where as people from my generation were brought up in a stable household (sorry guys...not too many single parent households back then...think about it) and know what humility is about and when seeing someone from that generation i mentioned above acting like a fool, we most certainly look down upon it. did we do they same thing as far as going out, getting laid etc. etc.? of course. but WE didn't have the whole world looking at us. given his resources he could sure find ways to do what he wants without getting his picture taken. the problem is he wants his picture taken.
pettine said in a news conference a couple weeks after the JF media horde showed up at berea that "they'll find out if manziel wants to be football player first and celebrity second or a just a celebrity."
i don't think either one is out of touch reality. i think it greatly depends on the age of who is viewing it. the young people of the 'i deserve it' generation think there is nothing wrong with going out and acting stoopid even though you know every camera is pointed your way. their biggest question that they love to scream aloud is "WHAT!?! WHAT MFer!?! like what you gonna do?
where as people from my generation were brought up in a stable household (sorry guys...not too many single parent households back then...think about it) and know what humility is about and when seeing someone from that generation i mentioned above acting like a fool, we most certainly look down upon it. did we do they same thing as far as going out, getting laid etc. etc.? of course. but WE didn't have the whole world looking at us. given his resources he could sure find ways to do what he wants without getting his picture taken. the problem is he wants his picture taken.
pettine said in a news conference a couple weeks after the JF media horde showed up at berea that "they'll find out if manziel wants to be football player first and celebrity second or a just a celebrity."
THIS is a "level headed post that understands the real world". Right now, JB is nothing more than a celebrity. He hasn't done a single, solitary thing as a Cleveland Brown. Time will tell, and if he doesn't become the HoFer that the "i deserve it" disciples proclaim he will be, then it will have set the Browns back another 5 yrs....... At best.
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@everlastingxxx said:
So you believe in a double standard. You could do these things but he cant. How would you like to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in your house, single and without family? BTW, Manziel was raised in a stable wealthy white home. Spoiled? Sure but i think alot of kids with money are. Does he enjoy being a celebrity? Sure, i dont think he hides from it and i dont think he should because some outdated fans think so.
You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
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@everlastingxxx said:
So you believe in a double standard. You could do these things but he cant. How would you like to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in your house, single and without family? BTW, Manziel was raised in a stable wealthy white home. Spoiled? Sure but i think alot of kids with money are. Does he enjoy being a celebrity? Sure, i dont think he hides from it and i dont think he should because some outdated fans think so.
You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
This^
He (and/or his friends) post photos on social media of him hammered and acting like a teenager having his first beer
and then his devoted followers get butt hurt when he gets less-than-elated reactions to his behavior. It's like the "reporter"
from TV Azteca (sp?) who attended a Jets practice dressed like she was going clubbing in South Beach and then bitched
because the players were looking at her. Or like Lady Gaga at a Mets game when she sat behind the photographers and
took her shirt off, wearing only a bra, and got pissed when the photographers turned around and started photographing her.
Look, JM's 21 and can do whatever the hell he wants. I truly don't care. But when he posts photos of drunken behavior on
social media (ESPECIALLY after the statements he made before the draft about how that behavior was in the past and he's
in the NFL now and going to act like a grown up) it just rubs people the wrong way. Like Gronk drunkenly dancing and
flailing around without a shirt a few hours after the Pats shit the bed on a perfect season.
He just comes off as an immature meathead. He's being billed as the savior of the franchise but he's acting like a teenager
away from home for the first time.
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@everlastingxxx said:
So you believe in a double standard. You could do these things but he cant. How would you like to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in your house, single and without family? BTW, Manziel was raised in a stable wealthy white home. Spoiled? Sure but i think alot of kids with money are. Does he enjoy being a celebrity? Sure, i dont think he hides from it and i dont think he should because some outdated fans think so.
You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
@everlastingxxx said:
A post that is out of touch with reality.
VS
A level headed post that understands the real world.
I think my reality check is pretty good- he ignored advice from probably the most respected guy on the Browns- that makes JF a Class A jerk in my book.
You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
That's what the JFF loverboys don't get- guys like Luck and RGIII know how to go out have a good time and not get their drunk pictures posted on instagram. Manziel apparently loves the spotlight. Those antics scream "LOOK AT ME." Some of us are less than impressed. His on field performance had better match his ego. Cleveland in general, and the Browns in particular don't need to become yet another national joke, which is what they'll be if Manziel flops.
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
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@everlastingxxx said:
He is not Andrew Luck.
Bummer for us.
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how many girlfriends does he have?
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how many girlfriends does he have?
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Zombo said:
Tyler Thigpen fucked a skeleton.
Hope he used A LOT of lube.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Does he enjoy being a celebrity? Sure, i dont think he hides from it and i dont think he should because some outdated fans think so.
it won't be just some outdated fans if it keeps happening, believe me.
i never got the guys with all the money in the world have to be out there in the public eye just so they can look like the man, instead of renting a floor at the hilton and leaving through the back door.
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@everlastingxxx said:
He is too fat.
now that is hilarious!
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You just don't get it. We are not saying he has "to be sheltered home 24/7 locked up in his house". Just act like a man, not a high school boy. Andrew Luck for example. I'm sure he has fun in life, but we never hear about it because unlike JB, he isn't "LOOK AT ME, AREN'T I KOOOOOL". He also wants to be the best in the NFL, and right now, he's on his way. JB on the other hand says he wants to be great, but his actions say different.
Hopefully he turns into a man soon.
This^
He (and/or his friends) post photos on social media of him hammered and acting like a teenager having his first beer
and then his devoted followers get butt hurt when he gets less-than-elated reactions to his behavior. It's like the "reporter"
from TV Azteca (sp?) who attended a Jets practice dressed like she was going clubbing in South Beach and then bitched
because the players were looking at her. Or like Lady Gaga at a Mets game when she sat behind the photographers and
took her shirt off, wearing only a bra, and got pissed when the photographers turned around and started photographing her.
Look, JM's 21 and can do whatever the hell he wants. I truly don't care. But when he posts photos of drunken behavior on
social media (ESPECIALLY after the statements he made before the draft about how that behavior was in the past and he's
in the NFL now and going to act like a grown up) it just rubs people the wrong way. Like Gronk drunkenly dancing and
flailing around without a shirt a few hours after the Pats shit the bed on a perfect season.
He just comes off as an immature meathead. He's being billed as the savior of the franchise but he's acting like a teenager
away from home for the first time.
This^
He (and/or his friends) post photos on social media of him hammered and acting like a teenager having his first beer
and then his devoted followers get butt hurt when he gets less-than-elated reactions to his behavior. It's like the "reporter"
from TV Azteca (sp?) who attended a Jets practice dressed like she was going clubbing in South Beach and then bitched
because the players were looking at her. Or like Lady Gaga at a Mets game when she sat behind the photographers and
took her shirt off, wearing only a bra, and got pissed when the photographers turned around and started photographing her.
Look, JM's 21 and can do whatever the hell he wants. I truly don't care. But when he posts photos of drunken behavior on
social media (ESPECIALLY after the statements he made before the draft about how that behavior was in the past and he's
in the NFL now and going to act like a grown up) it just rubs people the wrong way. Like Gronk drunkenly dancing and
flailing around without a shirt a few hours after the Pats shit the bed on a perfect season.
He just comes off as an immature meathead. He's being billed as the savior of the franchise but he's acting like a teenager
away from home for the first time.
He's 21, a first round draft pick, it's the summer and he doesn't have to be in camp. Of course he's out having fun.
The media is only going to show him in the club. They're not going to show him with his nose in his playbook because that doesn't help ratings. So even if Manziel is in a club for 20 minutes...that 20 minutes is going to be broadcast on every sports channel and website around.
I saw three Panthers players out getting drunk last night, yet nobody says shit about that. Because they aren't Manziel.
You want the media to stop reporting on Manziel? Change the channel the second he appears on screen. If you and every other person bitching about him did that, the ratings would drop and the media would move on to something else. But, instead, you all watch every second of it...then rush to the internet to bitch about him.
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He gets hammered, posts it on social media, and I have to turn my tv off? No thanks.
I truly don't care what Johnny Manziel does in his spare time. If he brings a Lombardi trophy
to Cleveland, he can puke onstage at the ESPY's for all I care. (Now THAT would be fucking awesome)
When I was growing up as an athlete, it was still considered bad form to constantly call
attention to yourself. The aggressive "look at me" self-promotion doesn't impress me.
Especially when he hasn't done fuckall in the NFL. Yet.
Again, if he becomes a successful NFL qb and take us to the promised land, he can get
shit-faced and puke on live tv and I'll lead the cheers. But until he leads us to the promised
land, he's just a 21 year old kid acting like a douche. As I did at his age.
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Hope he turns out well for you guys.
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
it won't be just some outdated fans if it keeps happening, believe me.
i never got the guys with all the money in the world have to be out there in the public eye just so they can look like the man, instead of renting a floor at the hilton and leaving through the back door.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
He's 21, a first round draft pick, it's the summer and he doesn't have to be in camp. Of course he's out having fun.
The media is only going to show him in the club. They're not going to show him with his nose in his playbook because that doesn't help ratings. So even if Manziel is in a club for 20 minutes...that 20 minutes is going to be broadcast on every sports channel and website around.
I saw three Panthers players out getting drunk last night, yet nobody says shit about that. Because they aren't Manziel.
You want the media to stop reporting on Manziel? Change the channel the second he appears on screen. If you and every other person bitching about him did that, the ratings would drop and the media would move on to something else. But, instead, you all watch every second of it...then rush to the internet to bitch about him.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
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I'm rooting for Manziel to be a star qb when he gets to starting.
The off field stuff, hopefully, is just stupid young guy celebrity stuff.
I hope that's just a last bit of foolishness he was engaged in, because
he's in grown up world now. Before he was drafted, I was very concerned
about his skills and style of play translating into the NFL - but, they drafted him,
and they know bigtime what they're doing.
The off the field stuff - we'll just have to hope that it isn't an alcohol problem. But
he's been happy with the limelight and college star attention, there's a maturity
process - at least he doesn't wear mink coats and ride motorcyles like Evil Kneivel....
I'm gonna cheer him on, rooting for him now...but I think Hoyer starts. He's a very smart kid,
he'll adapt. He'd better, eh?
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