I got yer mmgw proof of bs right here
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Seriously though, tell me where I am mistaken.
A hypothetical. I have a pool in my yard it has 1000 gallons off ammonia in it. I am told 1000 gallons of ammonia is endangering the wildlife around my pool and my neighbors. Everyday I go out and dump anotther pint of ammonia in that pool.
That would make the danger worse each and every day.
Soon, I have been told, the wildlife and neighbors will die from the fumes. Even if it stays at 1000 gallons.
My solution is to only dump 12 ounces more each day instead of a full pint.
As I see it that is still making an already perilous situation worse.
Can you explain to me why I am wrong?
WSS
Seriously though, tell me where I am mistaken.
A hypothetical. I have a pool in my yard it has 1000 gallons off ammonia in it. I am told 1000 gallons of ammonia is endangering the wildlife around my pool and my neighbors. Everyday I go out and dump anotther pint of ammonia in that pool.
That would make the danger worse each and every day.
Soon, I have been told, the wildlife and neighbors will die from the fumes. Even if it stays at 1000 gallons.
My solution is to only dump 12 ounces more each day instead of a full pint.
As I see it that is still making an already perilous situation worse.
Can you explain to me why I am wrong?
WSS
OK, let's make a slight tweak to your situation to make it more representative of the situation.
You have a pool of 1000 gallons of ammonia. This is perfectly fine, and keeps the garden shiny and new. If there's too much ammonia, the garden will be in danger, and if there's not enough ammonia, the garden will be in danger for different reasons.
Now, every day, you get rainfall in to your pool of something around a pint of ammonia, sometimes more, sometimes less. But, something like a pint of ammonia is used in keeping the garden shiny (hence why if there's not enough it's in danger). So it roughly evens itself out.
Now, if you start adding pints of ammonia yourself every day, you'll quickly find that the amount coming in to the system is exceeding the amount going out on a regular basis. This causes problems for your garden.
You realise this is a problem, but because of your fertilization techniques (see, I know *something* about farming!), you have a load of ammonia that means you need to dump a pint a day, so you can't just stop. What you can do, is plant a few extra plants, trees and everything else that uses the ammonia, so that a pint and a few ounces are being used every day instead of a pint, while at the same time you reduce the amount of ammonia you're dumping every day. Eventually, you'll find a balance where the amount of ammonia is stable. If you reduce your ammonia waste enough, you'll find that you can actually start to reduce the overall level of ammonia, because you've increased the level of consumption.
At some point in the future, you'll be back to a normal level, and you'll potentially be able to increase the ammonia waste, because you would otherwise be creating a deficiency.
I hope that makes sense to you - feel free to poke holes in it, but it's the general gist of it. Like losing weight - say I'm putting on a pound a day. Through proper eating and exercising, I start putting on only 12oz every day for a month. Next month it's 10oz. Then 8oz. Eventually, I'm not putting on any weight at all, and then I start losing weight. Eventually, I reach my ideal weight and I can adopt a more sustainable diet and exercise regime. But if I don't do it quickly enough, I might have a heart attack, I might get diabetes, or any number of things.
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Actually I was just curious.
Basically you are saying that the ammonia level will naturally dissipate overtime and if I add less to it than the amount of natural dissipation it will eventually be gone?
(plus I didn't use ammonia for any kind of fertilization, I just picked it because it smells bad...
)WSS
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Actually I was just curious.
Basically you are saying that the ammonia level will naturally dissipate overtime and if I add less to it than the amount of natural dissipation it will eventually be gone?
(plus I didn't use ammonia for any kind of fertilization, I just picked it because it smells bad...
)WSS
Actually I was just curious.
Basically you are saying that the ammonia level will naturally dissipate overtime and if I add less to it than the amount of natural dissipation it will eventually be gone?
(plus I didn't use ammonia for any kind of fertilization, I just picked it because it smells bad...
)WSS
Kind of. It's not like the earth relies on us to produce carbon dioxide for it - after all, we contribute a tiny amount relative to nature - but we are just tipping it over the edge of what it can handle.
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If I was to be at all argumentative I would point that different scientist probably have different estimates as to when the final straw will break the camel's back.
You seem to assume we have much longer than many other estimates.
WSS
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If I was to be at all argumentative I would point that different scientist probably have different estimates as to when the final straw will break the camel's back.
You seem to assume we have much longer than many other estimates.
WSS
If I was to be at all argumentative I would point that different scientist probably have different estimates as to when the final straw will break the camel's back.
You seem to assume we have much longer than many other estimates.
WSS
I'm not an expert, and defer to those with more knowledge on the subject. I'm just trying to explain how the concept works. Picture me giving that explanation 100 years ago - the logic is still the same.
There was a problem with the amount of lead being put in to the air from leaded petrol (gas?) a while back. The lead was taken out of petrol, eventually, after much lobbying from the big oil and lead companies saying it was safe, and levels were natural and the same as the last thousand years, contrary to the science, and the lead levels went down.
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If I was to be at all argumentative I would point that different scientist probably have different estimates as to when the final straw will break the camel's back.
You seem to assume we have much longer than many other estimates.
WSS
I'm not an expert, and defer to those with more knowledge on the subject. I'm just trying to explain how the concept works. Picture me giving that explanation 100 years ago - the logic is still the same.
There was a problem with the amount of lead being put in to the air from leaded petrol (gas?) a while back. The lead was taken out of petrol, eventually, after much lobbying from the big oil and lead companies saying it was safe, and levels were natural and the same as the last thousand years, contrary to the science, and the lead levels went down.
I'm not an expert, and defer to those with more knowledge on the subject. I'm just trying to explain how the concept works. Picture me giving that explanation 100 years ago - the logic is still the same.
There was a problem with the amount of lead being put in to the air from leaded petrol (gas?) a while back. The lead was taken out of petrol, eventually, after much lobbying from the big oil and lead companies saying it was safe, and levels were natural and the same as the last thousand years, contrary to the science, and the lead levels went down.
I can't honestly remember the level of hysterics about lead in gasoline.
I also have no idea if there are many other sources of lead in the atmosphere and what percentage was removed by eliminating it in gasoline.
WSS
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One more thing - this planet is growing a greater human population all the time.
and mankind is destroying green space and paving and cement and building over top of it.
There. That's a major thing that partisan sniping over CO2 and lawn mowing and not enough
money and taxes....etc etc etc etc doesn't admit.
Less plant life and forests on this planet is less CO2 being used up. It's tilting the balance more
and more over time.
These scientists will NOT admit or talk about it.
Why?
No freakin money it for liberal causes. No grants to be had for it. No political advantage for votes and $$$$$$$$$$ for it.
Less plant life and forests on this planet is less CO2 being used up. It's tilting the balance more
and more over time.
These scientists will NOT admit or talk about it.
Scientists are talking about. A search of the scientific literature using Google Scholar suggests they've talked about it 20,000 times.
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one ingredient I do remember is hexa chlorophene.
another is sodium and or calcium cyclamate.
one more might be red dye number 5.
all of which are easily lived without and who knows how much overall improvement the world has seen from the elimination.
WSS
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CO2 is not lead. It is not a poison.
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"boo hoo, Steve, Cal posts from the Blaze, whine, complain....."
Okay. This article is not from the Blaze.
Read the frickin thing, and realize that I am far more correct
on the issue than you are, Mr. "the debate is over, 97%....bs" Man.
Don't make me post the contents instead of just the link, after you complained
about that.
http://www.thegwpf.org/consensus-controversy-debate-man-made-global-warming/
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Second order derivative? Awesome. I'm down to talk math. Math is my shit, lol.
You're an engineer. In order of 'dirtiness' of field, you're up there with biologists.
You're an engineer. In order of 'dirtiness' of field, you're up there with biologists.
Lol, I've seen that before.
But don't you EVER compare me to a biologist...
I'm not a math major, but I've been around the block. One of my courses freshman year was Honors Theoretical Differential Equations. Soundsvool at least, right?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You complain about us not reading your posts. Truth is I do. I looks like you don't read my responses though. In that last "mmgw" thread where you went on a rant on a rant of posts, I addressed a good number of them and debunked them. Some of which you are posting again here.
You do a very good job of following that "science denial checklist" I posted. Damn near exactly. If you want to go one by one, that would be better. But you just pulling 20 claims out of your ass each post and then not backing any up does no good.
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I was talking to Chris, not you, you woodypeckerhead moron.
And, of course, posting stuff that contradicts your'alls mmgw baloney
is nonsense.
And, like I have said in the past, you just ignored the content of the post.
Look, I'm just a regular guy, but you make me look like a behaviorial scientist.
You can't help it, I have your number. You walk, talk, pout and post just like what you are.
A sissy little woodypeckerhead. Now grow up, and let the rest of us have
a political board.
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Hahaha. Did you just ignore the responses in the last thread then?
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You're an engineer. In order of 'dirtiness' of field, you're up there with biologists.
Lol, I've seen that before.
But don't you EVER compare me to a biologist...
I'm not a math major, but I've been around the block. One of my courses freshman year was Honors Theoretical Differential Equations. Soundsvool at least, right?
Lol, I've seen that before.
But don't you EVER compare me to a biologist...
I'm not a math major, but I've been around the block. One of my courses freshman year was Honors Theoretical Differential Equations. Soundsvool at least, right?
WTF... you got something against biologists?
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Lol, I've seen that before.
But don't you EVER compare me to a biologist...
I'm not a math major, but I've been around the block. One of my courses freshman year was Honors Theoretical Differential Equations. Soundsvool at least, right?
WTF... you got something against biologists?
WTF... you got something against biologists?
... Ummm... No. They're great. Just uh, not for me.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Wow, another idiot that uses the reasoning "It is cold where I an right now" as evidence against climate change
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No, a comedian. Obviously, you don't know the difference between a climate scientist
and a comedian.
Moron.
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