Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
it won't be just some outdated fans if it keeps happening, believe me.
i never got the guys with all the money in the world have to be out there in the public eye just so they can look like the man, instead of renting a floor at the hilton and leaving through the back door.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
He's 21, a first round draft pick, it's the summer and he doesn't have to be in camp. Of course he's out having fun.
The media is only going to show him in the club. They're not going to show him with his nose in his playbook because that doesn't help ratings. So even if Manziel is in a club for 20 minutes...that 20 minutes is going to be broadcast on every sports channel and website around.
I saw three Panthers players out getting drunk last night, yet nobody says shit about that. Because they aren't Manziel.
You want the media to stop reporting on Manziel? Change the channel the second he appears on screen. If you and every other person bitching about him did that, the ratings would drop and the media would move on to something else. But, instead, you all watch every second of it...then rush to the internet to bitch about him.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
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I'm rooting for Manziel to be a star qb when he gets to starting.
The off field stuff, hopefully, is just stupid young guy celebrity stuff.
I hope that's just a last bit of foolishness he was engaged in, because
he's in grown up world now. Before he was drafted, I was very concerned
about his skills and style of play translating into the NFL - but, they drafted him,
and they know bigtime what they're doing.
The off the field stuff - we'll just have to hope that it isn't an alcohol problem. But
he's been happy with the limelight and college star attention, there's a maturity
process - at least he doesn't wear mink coats and ride motorcyles like Evil Kneivel....
I'm gonna cheer him on, rooting for him now...but I think Hoyer starts. He's a very smart kid,
he'll adapt. He'd better, eh?
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
it won't be just some outdated fans if it keeps happening, believe me.
i never got the guys with all the money in the world have to be out there in the public eye just so they can look like the man, instead of renting a floor at the hilton and leaving through the back door.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
He's 21, a first round draft pick, it's the summer and he doesn't have to be in camp. Of course he's out having fun.
The media is only going to show him in the club. They're not going to show him with his nose in his playbook because that doesn't help ratings. So even if Manziel is in a club for 20 minutes...that 20 minutes is going to be broadcast on every sports channel and website around.
I saw three Panthers players out getting drunk last night, yet nobody says shit about that. Because they aren't Manziel.
You want the media to stop reporting on Manziel? Change the channel the second he appears on screen. If you and every other person bitching about him did that, the ratings would drop and the media would move on to something else. But, instead, you all watch every second of it...then rush to the internet to bitch about him.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
Not sure who you say is dissing a Pro Bowl teammate. ??? If you're saying Manziel was by going out and being photographed, if the photos weren't taken last weekend then it's not a diss. If media continues to print archived photos in future weeks, will that also be proof of him dissing teammate.
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Quit making excuses for him, just embrace it.
I think it is awesome that he does what he wants on his days off and doesn't give a shit what people think.
Pittsburgh's Qb is a rapist, the Ravens running back is a wife beater, Half of the Bengals roster has a future doing hard time ... but all the attention is on our QB because he has fun and doesnt give a fuck.
Im glad he's in Cleveland. I think the Browns and Cavs are about to get real exciting. And the Tribe will always compete as long as they have Francona. Good days ahead for Cleveland.
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him. Looking forward to training camp.
Z
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Quit making excuses for him, just embrace it.
I think it is awesome that he does what he wants on his days off and doesn't give a shit what people think.
Pittsburgh's Qb is a rapist, the Ravens running back is a wife beater, Half of the Bengals roster has a future doing hard time ... but all the attention is on our QB because he has fun and doesnt give a fuck.
Im glad he's in Cleveland. I think the Browns and Cavs are about to get real exciting. And the Tribe will always compete as long as they have Francona. Good days ahead for Cleveland.
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him. Looking forward to training camp.
Z
Zombo said:
Quit making excuses for him, just embrace it.
I think it is awesome that he does what he wants on his days off and doesn't give a shit what people think.
Pittsburgh's Qb is a rapist, the Ravens running back is a wife beater, Half of the Bengals roster has a future doing hard time ... but all the attention is on our QB because he has fun and doesnt give a fuck.
Im glad he's in Cleveland. I think the Browns and Cavs are about to get real exciting. And the Tribe will always compete as long as they have Francona. Good days ahead for Cleveland.
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him. Looking forward to training camp.
Z
I totally agree with you. Sorry for trying to defend him. I just get tired of all the do gooders trying to tell others how to live their lives.
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I wouldn't doubt the Browns put "morality riders" in JFF's contract. Come training camp- it's party then, watch your paycheck shrink.
Then again, maybe not.
Yeah TC- with age comes wisdom and perspective. Did I drink a ton of booze in college? Hell yes. Did I have someone writing me an $8 million dollar paycheck when I graduated, based on 100% performance? Hell No.
Then I'll say fucking blind young people who can't believe you can turn into a serious alcoholic before you're 23.
Too soon to say PG. That is if he doesn't destroy himself first.
Exactly, with age comes wisdom. He is a kid. He will do kid things until he realizes they are stupid.
I drank my face off in college. I lost my scholarship, then wisened up when I realized how expensive school was. He'll do the same.
Johnny is a 21 year old multi millionaire Heisman trophy winning first round NFL Draft pick. He has pick of the litter in every bar, event, restaurant, etc. he goes to. If you had that opportunity at 21, you'd probably take advantage of it as well. Maybe not at 50, but at 21...yes you would.
With age comes wisdom, not because you suddenly know all the right answers...but because you've experienced the wrong ones. Johnny has to earn his wisdom just as he earns his starting job. It can't and won't be rushed.
Exactly, with age comes wisdom. He is a kid. He will do kid things until he realizes they are stupid.
True... but there is a seriously high percentage that start to see the light at age 21.
Well, it looks like JFF spent the weekend banging Justin Beiber's old girlfriend.
Damn.... their kids would have some serious honkers... and I ain't talkin' titties...
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Quit making excuses for him, just embrace it.
I think it is awesome that he does what he wants on his days off and doesn't give a shit what people think.
Pittsburgh's Qb is a rapist, the Ravens running back is a wife beater, Half of the Bengals roster has a future doing hard time ... but all the attention is on our QB because he has fun and doesnt give a fuck.
Im glad he's in Cleveland. I think the Browns and Cavs are about to get real exciting. And the Tribe will always compete as long as they have Francona. Good days ahead for Cleveland.
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him. Looking forward to training camp.
Z
@everlastingxxx said:
He is not Andrew Luck.
Finally a post of yours I agree with...
Zombo said:
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him.
Now there's an Instagram worth looking forward to...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So, the real world is enabling a drunk?
Fucking sheep....
The govt tells y'all a plant is bad to smoke and that make one abuser vilified.
The govt says booze is OK despite a staggering number of deaths, and another abuser is hailed as a kid being a kid.
Surprising that its the young crowd that feels this way, right?
Why is it that that the side effects of abuse are ignored simply because its legal to drink? Does legality lessen the damaging effects?
5 of 5 weekends since being drafted, the lil guy has gotten plastered and posted proof for the world to see. He'll have no one else to blame but himself for failure.
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He gets hammered, posts it on social media, and I have to turn my tv off? No thanks.
I truly don't care what Johnny Manziel does in his spare time. If he brings a Lombardi trophy
to Cleveland, he can puke onstage at the ESPY's for all I care. (Now THAT would be fucking awesome)
When I was growing up as an athlete, it was still considered bad form to constantly call
attention to yourself. The aggressive "look at me" self-promotion doesn't impress me.
Especially when he hasn't done fuckall in the NFL. Yet.
Again, if he becomes a successful NFL qb and take us to the promised land, he can get
shit-faced and puke on live tv and I'll lead the cheers. But until he leads us to the promised
land, he's just a 21 year old kid acting like a douche. As I did at his age.
He gets hammered, posts it on social media, and I have to turn my tv off? No thanks.
I truly don't care what Johnny Manziel does in his spare time. If he brings a Lombardi trophy
to Cleveland, he can puke onstage at the ESPY's for all I care. (Now THAT would be fucking awesome)
When I was growing up as an athlete, it was still considered bad form to constantly call
attention to yourself. The aggressive "look at me" self-promotion doesn't impress me.
Especially when he hasn't done fuckall in the NFL. Yet.
Again, if he becomes a successful NFL qb and take us to the promised land, he can get
shit-faced and puke on live tv and I'll lead the cheers. But until he leads us to the promised
land, he's just a 21 year old kid acting like a douche. As I did at his age.
I just hate the fact that this drunk a@@ spoiled rich kid represents the city of Cleveland.
In the NFL, you have 3 seasons to prove yourself....i doubt he'll grow up and be a man within those 3 seasons.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Go root for the Colts. Ill root for Manziel and the Browns.
Fixed
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@everlastingxxx said:
He is not Andrew Luck.
Finally a post of yours I agree with...
Zombo said:
I embrace Johnny Manziel. And everything that comes with him.
Now there's an Instagram worth looking forward to...
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@everlastingxxx said:
Ill root for Manziel and the Browns.
First, your rooting order is predictably revealing.
Second, I believe I have seniority.
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'Iām not going to change who I am'
ohh....ya....no plans to change?!?!
Don't let me see you in a bar after a loss with Drake laughing it up...
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Fast forward to 2018.
"Just give me another chance, i'll change..."
Johnny 'Sober' Manziel -
The appropriate comment a browns fan would make there would be "fuck you, go root for buffalo."@everlastingxxx said:
Go root for the Colts. Ill root for Manziel and the Browns.
But since you aren't a browns fan, you wouldn't understand the meaning of it and how it came about.
It is rather interesting to see a bandwagon jumper tell a browns fan to go root for another team though.
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He gets hammered, posts it on social media, and I have to turn my tv off? No thanks.
I truly don't care what Johnny Manziel does in his spare time. If he brings a Lombardi trophy
to Cleveland, he can puke onstage at the ESPY's for all I care. (Now THAT would be fucking awesome)
When I was growing up as an athlete, it was still considered bad form to constantly call
attention to yourself. The aggressive "look at me" self-promotion doesn't impress me.
Especially when he hasn't done fuckall in the NFL. Yet.
Again, if he becomes a successful NFL qb and take us to the promised land, he can get
shit-faced and puke on live tv and I'll lead the cheers. But until he leads us to the promised
land, he's just a 21 year old kid acting like a douche. As I did at his age.
I just hate the fact that this drunk a@@ spoiled rich kid represents the city of Cleveland.
In the NFL, you have 3 seasons to prove yourself....i doubt he'll grow up and be a man within those 3 seasons.
I just hate the fact that this drunk a@@ spoiled rich kid represents the city of Cleveland.
In the NFL, you have 3 seasons to prove yourself....i doubt he'll grow up and be a man within those 3 seasons.
+10000000
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@everlastingxxx said:
I know these comments probably wont make it out on ESPN but i thought they might easy the worry warts here.
"I'm growing up and continuing to learn from my mistakes and trying not to make the same ones over and over again, but am I going to live in a shell or am I just going to hide from everybody and not do anything? I don't think that's the way I should live my life and I'm not going to do it.
'I'm going out on the weekends an enjoying my time,'' he said. "I mean, I've put in a lot of work here. It's a unique situation for me. Like I said earlier, I didn't think I was any different than anybody else, but when I walk in somewhere, it's a story, whether it's a bar, whether it's a restaurant, whether it's anything and I just have to have a better understanding of that.''
...every day that I'm getting to live in a great city with great teammates and great coaches and a great organization. So for me I'm very happy,'' he said. "This is where I should be and it's time to continue to get better and live my life and not let anything derail that."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/johnny_manziel_2.html
BTW, according to Manziel the money phone thing was awhile back. It wasnt recent.
Okay, please, I'm getting nauseous.
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@everlastingxxx said:
How am i a bandwagon jumper? I am still a Cowboys fan.
And there is the Official Browns Board Quote of the Week!
Zombo
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I'm having a little trouble with all the people assuming that Manziel was s___ f___ drunk every weekend. Didn't see any of the Vegas pictures that looked that way and independent observers said he did not appear to be out of control. The latest ones, based on clothing, were not even taken at the same time. Do we really even know that they were from this past weekend or could they be archived pictures? I saw a different picture on another site that was obviously taken with a long-angle lens paparazzi style where he had on obviously different clothing. I think it has gotten to the point where the media is so on him that he can't go anywhere without being photographed and then people say "see he's drunk again" even if there is no evidence (like at a sporting event). The only ones where he appeared to be drunk were the swan pix and the money phone. I totally agree that neither of those were good looks.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
it won't be just some outdated fans if it keeps happening, believe me.
i never got the guys with all the money in the world have to be out there in the public eye just so they can look like the man, instead of renting a floor at the hilton and leaving through the back door.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
He's 21, a first round draft pick, it's the summer and he doesn't have to be in camp. Of course he's out having fun.
The media is only going to show him in the club. They're not going to show him with his nose in his playbook because that doesn't help ratings. So even if Manziel is in a club for 20 minutes...that 20 minutes is going to be broadcast on every sports channel and website around.
I saw three Panthers players out getting drunk last night, yet nobody says shit about that. Because they aren't Manziel.
You want the media to stop reporting on Manziel? Change the channel the second he appears on screen. If you and every other person bitching about him did that, the ratings would drop and the media would move on to something else. But, instead, you all watch every second of it...then rush to the internet to bitch about him.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
And you're not one of the half rooting for him to crash and burn?
I'd love to see where any licensed team physician, psychologist or even scout has said anything about him having a drinking problem. Not some Joe Schmo who's never once been in the same room as the kid. Until you can present that, stop using alcoholic in your analysis.
I know the dangers of alcoholism better than most but I'm also not one of those people who just proclaims everyone an alcoholic.
Getting hammered once in a while doesn't make you a drunk. Getting hammered every time you go out doesn't even make you a drunk.Acting like an idiot doesn't make you a drunk. Being a kid doesn't make you a drunk.
Chugging a fifth for breakfast because you can't stand to face the world sober makes you a drunk. The inability to go throughout the day without knocking a few back makes you a drunk.
Turning to alcohol to escape the stresses of life makes you a drunk, not getting smashed with your other 21 year old friends.
Unless any of you are JM, you have no idea if he's a drunk. And none of us are qualified to judge a persons mental stability based off the snippets of media coverage showing his actions.
Guess what...Andrew Luck has gotten smashed. I'm sure multiple times. So has Peyton Manning. So have you. So have I.
I bet each person has at least 5-10 stories involving drunken shenanigans. Now imagine if there were cameras that captured all of those moments for the world to see.
Does that make you an immature drunk? Or we're you just being young and stupid?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
holy shit if there were cameras to capture every one of my drunken stupors you people would be laughing your asses off. I think the best one was when one of our crew passed out on the picnic table flat on his back with his mouth wide open, we all pulled our junk out and hung it over his mouth and we took pictures. That was just one of many before the advent of social media. So Johnny, continue to have all the fun you'd like cause I've seen nothing as stupid as what I just described.
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