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  • @shepwrite said:

    Love you, Al, but I don't think that added up to much. He spread his sacks out over the year and never went "cold" for long stretches... much like any pass rusher. Size wise, he's a taller James Harrison... and who's gonna slam that? Finally, those guys didn't do shit for Mangini.

    James Harrison had sacks in 2/3 of his regular season games, DeMarcus Ware had sacks in all but 2 games.

    By contrast, Brown had sacks in less than half of his games.

    And you have to factor in the unevenness of college competition. He beat up on Chattanooga and Maryland, but he also got shut down by some decent/average teams. That's a bit disconcerting.

  • I agree that we need a pass rusher...but let's not put the cart before the horse.

    What I mean is...who cares if you can get a pass rush if you can't stop the run. If they can average 4.5/c running the ball...eventually your pass rushers have to start giving support to the run game...which takes them out of their pass rush schemes...which then allows the opponent to pass.

    Conversely...if your ILB's are handling the run...then the OLB's are free to rush on every play...or drop back into coverage...without worrying about run support so much. And a DE will free up the OLB's from having to deal with the OT's...and allow them to go against TE's and/or RB's...which will improve their effectiveness greatly.

    You need to stop the run first...which is why I think we need an ILB (or a run stopping DE) more than an OLB....at least TOP FLIGHT wise.

    I really think Wimbley and Hall (Peek if he is around) will get a HUGE boost in their numbers and effectiveness if we can address the ILB/DE positions.

  • i think that brown is a much better pick than maybin. remember the last time we took a penn state de in the first round? courtney brown was a great choice

    once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy

  • I certainly think Brown is the best pass rusher available for the defense we want to run. As far as bookends with Wimbley, who would be the SOLB and who would be the WOLB? I am one person that thinks Wimbley can still be a productive OLB in our 3-4 defense and definately feel he was vastly misused last year. I saw him drop into coverage more then I ever saw him rush the passer. So, I do think Wimbley has a lot of upside and it is the challenge of the new staff to get him on the right track. This kid hasn't forgot how to play football.

    Him and Brown would be awesome and it would prevent the normal chips that kept Wimbley from getting to the QB and be devastating with Rogers coming up the middle.

    I am 100% in agreement that we need to improve our pass rush which will vastly improve our secondary because the QB won't have all day to wait for a receiver to shake free.

    I do have two concerns. Mangini stated that he believes the #1 priority of the defense is to stop the run. That means we certainly have a "must" fill/upgrade position in SILB. So if Curry is there do you take Brown or Curry? Second, if Curry isn't there, what is plan B for SOLB? Third, if Crabtree or one of the QBs is there and we have an opportunity to trade down and get another second round pick, do you do it and how far do you trade down?

    My son who knows and works with some of the OBR guys in the media gave me a great rumor. At least 6 teams have contacted the Browns concerning their #5 pick and availability of Andeson. Best rumor is Philly, who has two first round picks, offering a first and a few others to move up to get Crabtree if they can't get Housyourmama in FA. Next SF wanting to trade up from 10 if Sanchez is still there, also what is the price for Anderson before his bonus of March 15th and after. Leinhart is the guy they want though.

    Also inquiring are Minn, TB and the Bears. Chicago has multiple interests @ #5 and also some interest in Anderson. I'm sure a lot of this is just a feeling out process and other teams will be calling also, but the question remains; if your guy is there do you still trade down knowing we have multiple holes and needs?

    Since it is real early and FA may change a lot, there are still a lot of questions and I'm sure many different opinions.

  • @shepwrite said:

    He had his best games against Virginia Tech, Clemson, and Maryland, Alo. Huge games.

    Clemson's o-line was a mess this year. 2 of his sacks in the Maryland came when he used his spin move against an unathletic LG. Haven't watched the VTech game, so I can't comment on it.

    Just haven't seen him dominate an athletic, NFL-style LT. He was good against Wisconsin, but IIRC his sack came against Eric Vanden Heuvel, a slow OT who'd been battling a lower leg injury.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I think you've fallen into mind-screw scouting, Alo. He's big, he's fast, he's quick, he has a motor, and he gets to the quarterback.

    lol. I admire your ability to turn negatives into positives: he's short, so he's James Harrison; he wasn't consistently productive, but that's because he spreads out his sacks like a great pass-rusher. You must have been a pretty good ad guy.

    By the way, Brown may have a great motor, but he was on the field for about 65% of defensive snaps (my guesstimation). Markus White subbed in for him a lot, which was frustrating because it made telling who was playing DE difficult - White's about the same size (6'4", 245 lbs.) and wears #98 (Brown's #99).

  • surprise, surprise, i agree with alo. brown's maddeningly inconsistent and beats up on subpar competition but gets handled by guys who are good. orakpo, even with his health issues, will be the better pro, and would be my choice if we went OLB at five.

    orakpo missed two and a half games with a knee injury this year, and he still did all this:

    vs FAU: three tackles, a TFL and three pressures

    UTEP: five tackles, two sacks and three pressures

    rice: five tackes, two sacks, two pressures, two PBD and a forced fumble

    arkansas: four tackles, two sacks, three TFL, a pressure and a forced fumble

    colorado: two tackles and five pressures

    oklahoma (#1 at the time): seven tackles, two sacks, four TFL, two pressures and a forced fumble

    missouri (#11 at the time): a tackle and three pressures, one of which forced an INT

    oklahoma state (#7 at the time): six tackles, a sack, two TFL and two pressures

    texas tech (#6 at the time): two tackles, a TFL and two pressures, injured knee, DNP 2nd half

    baylor: DNP

    kansas: played very little

    texas A&M: five tackles, 1.5 sacks, three TFL, four pressures and a forced fumble

    ohio state (#10 at the time): two tackles, three pressures and a sack

    that's 11.5 sacks spread out pretty evenly over 11 games to go with 14 TFL and 4 forced fumbles. orakpo is the far more consistent player, and that counts for a lot. it means he can take it to the competition no matter who he's facing and can win at least once a game, which is pretty much what great pass rushers can do.

    the only concern i have is that texas players traditionally struggle once they leave austin. though it's not always true (guys like shaun rogers, casey hampton, aaron ross and roy williams (WR) have been just fine), there's a long list of notable texas busts: cedric benson, leonard davis, michael huff, bryant westbrook, mike williams (the OT, not the WR), ricky williams (who's good but nuts), and vince young have all failed to make the transition to the NFL. you could argue that young would always have failed. i would. but williams, to me, best sums up the problem: the guys can play but aren't mentally ready.

    however, that shouldn't be a problem for a mean SOB with a motor like orakpo's. my main concern would be that some of his production was a product of the players around him, but teams seemed pretty focused on stopping him and not everyone else, but he still found ways to get to the QB.

    for me, orakpo is the clear choice over brown.

  • I'm really pissed he wasn't able to play in the Baylor game: Orakpo vs. Jason Smith would have been an epic matchup.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I'm even more full of shit now than I was as an ad guy.

    With the state of advertising as it is, I guess it makes sense that I'm trying to branch into your biz. 🙂

  • Wait. Al, you talking about Everette Brown being too short? He's 6'4"... from most reports I have seen.

    He has been streaky, but when your team is winning 69-0, the opposition qb isn't going to be taking

    5 step drops... he's going to be throwing the ball some freakin where, FAST.

    Plays going away from Brown, how many pressures?

    Orakpo is a monster, he would be scary. And he is bigger weight wise... Everette looks trim at his interview.

    I don't see Orakpo changing directions on cut backs and moves by the qb very easily.

    He is a weight room freakin monster, but I wonder about his agility.

  • C calfoxwc

    Wait. Al, you talking about Everette Brown being too short? He's 6'4"... from most reports I have seen.

    He has been streaky, but when your team is winning 69-0, the opposition qb isn't going to be taking

    5 step drops... he's going to be throwing the ball some freakin where, FAST.

    Plays going away from Brown, how many pressures?

    Orakpo is a monster, he would be scary. And he is bigger weight wise... Everette looks trim at his interview.

    I don't see Orakpo changing directions on cut backs and moves by the qb very easily.

    He is a weight room freakin monster, but I wonder about his agility.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Wait. Al, you talking about Everette Brown being too short? He's 6'4"... from most reports I have seen.

    Todd McShay said that he's seen Brown standing next to 6'4" guys & Brown looks much shorter than them. His guess is that Brown will measure in at a little under 6'2".

  • If the Chiefs get Curry then i'd like to see the Browns get Brown or trade that pick and Derek Anderson and get a package of 3 or 4 picks.

  • Thanks for the post. Can you post the 2nd half of the mock or at least tell me who they have the Steelers drafting? Thanks.

  • Sorry, I'm not a member of the insider to see the second half....

    I'm not desperate enough for info this early to pay for it...

    Odds are, he has the squeelers drafting an olineman...

  • Here's a clip in which Kiper projects Brown to the Texans at #15, says he can play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.

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