Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Yeah- we can look up some "archived" stuff from his A&M days too. Same old, same old. "I'm in the NFL now, it will be different". Apparently not. Nice of you to dis a Pro Bowl teammate while you're at it.
Andrew Luck gets it, ditto Peyton Manning. They have the keycode to the private entrance of St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy (top 10 in the country IMHO). Johnny will walk in the front door with his groupies.
Three things TC
1) Out having fun- and not giving a shit if it makes you look like an asshole? Not too smart there kiddo.
2) The Manziel circus is forced on us- I don't have a choice. BSPN is all over him (as I predicted). LOL- I'd say 1\2 of the National media is just waiting for a crash & burn. We'll see if JF behaves differently after rookie Boot Camp in Aurora. (I seriously doubt it.)
3) Manziel is the only person that can control Manziel. He's obviously sucking up all the attention same as the "Real Attention Whores" (Housewives) of- pick a city- on Bravo. It goes deeper than that- if you had a drinking problem in the past- you ought to know that damn well. Some people can pull back from the brink. Others can't. There were a shit ton of character red flags pre-draft on Manziel, primary reason he dropped IMHO. Browns minimized them.They had better be right.
And you're not one of the half rooting for him to crash and burn?
I'd love to see where any licensed team physician, psychologist or even scout has said anything about him having a drinking problem. Not some Joe Schmo who's never once been in the same room as the kid. Until you can present that, stop using alcoholic in your analysis.
I know the dangers of alcoholism better than most but I'm also not one of those people who just proclaims everyone an alcoholic.
Getting hammered once in a while doesn't make you a drunk. Getting hammered every time you go out doesn't even make you a drunk.Acting like an idiot doesn't make you a drunk. Being a kid doesn't make you a drunk.
Chugging a fifth for breakfast because you can't stand to face the world sober makes you a drunk. The inability to go throughout the day without knocking a few back makes you a drunk.
Turning to alcohol to escape the stresses of life makes you a drunk, not getting smashed with your other 21 year old friends.
Unless any of you are JM, you have no idea if he's a drunk. And none of us are qualified to judge a persons mental stability based off the snippets of media coverage showing his actions.
Guess what...Andrew Luck has gotten smashed. I'm sure multiple times. So has Peyton Manning. So have you. So have I.
I bet each person has at least 5-10 stories involving drunken shenanigans. Now imagine if there were cameras that captured all of those moments for the world to see.
Does that make you an immature drunk? Or we're you just being young and stupid?
Rose-colored or maroon tinted specs?
Thought there's be more new pages given the Haslam directive to the staff. The thing that got me in JM's response is adopting the "royal we". Something I associated more with clueless folk who drop mics for no good reason.
"I'm here, I'm very committed to football. I'm committed to my job, but on the weekends, I'm going to enjoy my time off. We deserve it. We work hard here. We've worked hard since the draft. We worked hard to get drafted and put ourselves in a good position at the combine, even after that, working to stay in shape."Getting hammered once in a while doesn't make you a drunk. Getting hammered every time you go out doesn't even make you a drunk.
Turning to alcohol to escape the stresses of life makes you a drunk, not getting smashed with your other 21 year old friends.If every time you drink you end up drunk you have an issue. You may outgrow it, but you may not. And the stress issue is exactly what Daddy said was a concern.
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!
Andrew Luck spotted out in public partying... and thus ends my flirtation with being a Colts' fan...
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Well, I'm definitely not a holier-than-thou-do-gooder. When I got married and stopped running the bars
11 years ago I was granted my own wing in the Drunk and Stupid Hall of Fame. Again, as long as he leads
us to the promised land, I don't give a shit what the kid does in his off hours.
My point is this: he was drafted as the future leader of the franchise, and one of the big reasons he was still
on the board at 22 is because of concerns about his past history. Does JM getting hammered on weekends
mean he is an out-of-control alcoholic? Of course not. What I'm saying is that the media shit storm over his
partying is of his own making. He (and his friends) are the ones posting his antics on social media. I have no
doubt that Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning have gotten shit-faced in the past. The difference is that you
never hear about it because they don't get shit-faced and then post it for the world to see and then bitch about
the negative attention their own actions are bringing them.
What I'm saying is JM needs to use his head, just a tiny bit. He knew coming in that he had a less than stellar
reputation as far as his personal habits. We know that he was aware of this negative perception because of his
own statements before and after the draft concerning his behavior. JM can negate a lot of the negative coverage
if he will just stop posting photos every time he gets hammered. Stop feeding your detractors with the ammunition
that allows them to say "See, we told ya so, you wasted a draft pick."
Tone it the fuck down. Resist the urge to let the world in on every time you scratch your ass. I know that is a tall
order in todays low-rent reality show mind-set that drives people to share every minute tidbit of their personal
lives with the rest of the world. Right now, JM's his own worst enemy. A lot of the negative attention can be negated
if he will just use a little discretion.
Well, I'm definitely not a holier-than-thou-do-gooder. When I got married and stopped running the bars
11 years ago I was granted my own wing in the Drunk and Stupid Hall of Fame. Again, as long as he leads
us to the promised land, I don't give a shit what the kid does in his off hours.
My point is this: he was drafted as the future leader of the franchise, and one of the big reasons he was still
on the board at 22 is because of concerns about his past history. Does JM getting hammered on weekends
mean he is an out-of-control alcoholic? Of course not. What I'm saying is that the media shit storm over his
partying is of his own making. He (and his friends) are the ones posting his antics on social media. I have no
doubt that Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning have gotten shit-faced in the past. The difference is that you
never hear about it because they don't get shit-faced and then post it for the world to see and then bitch about
the negative attention their own actions are bringing them.
What I'm saying is JM needs to use his head, just a tiny bit. He knew coming in that he had a less than stellar
reputation as far as his personal habits. We know that he was aware of this negative perception because of his
own statements before and after the draft concerning his behavior. JM can negate a lot of the negative coverage
if he will just stop posting photos every time he gets hammered. Stop feeding your detractors with the ammunition
that allows them to say "See, we told ya so, you wasted a draft pick."
Tone it the fuck down. Resist the urge to let the world in on every time you scratch your ass. I know that is a tall
order in todays low-rent reality show mind-set that drives people to share every minute tidbit of their personal
lives with the rest of the world. Right now, JM's his own worst enemy. A lot of the negative attention can be negated
if he will just use a little discretion.
I agree with this as well. He's in the spotlight, he needs to be more careful.
But, something to ponder...what do you think would have happened if the technology we have today was available when Joe Namath was drafted? What about when Marino was drafted?
This age of connectivity means anything can be recorded and put on the internet at any time by any one. It's no longer "don't want to be on tv, avoid reporters." Now it's "don't want to be tv, sit in your locked house with the windows drawn."
That person probably didn't want to be posted on The Browns Board. But now they are. And that only took 2 seconds. Imagine if that was a Heisman trophy winning quarterback with his friends in a bar.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
what if....??
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What if Johnny Manziel realized that he signed a contract paying him over $8 million that sets him up for life but if he can't perform on the field the contract goes "poof"? I've got nothing against some punk-ass draftee getting his ya-ya's out, but stay the fuck out of the god damn limelight. The fact that Browns players are sick and tired of answering Johnny Manziel questions and not questions about themselves or the Browns is ridiculous. I guarantee that Terrance West, Joel Bitonio and Justin Gilbert will be way, way more important to the success of the Browns this year than Juan Fuckin' Football.
I don't get why this guy is all the rage. He hasn't done shit in the NFL, and from what I've seen of his tape at A&M I'm not convinced that he WILL do shit in the NFL. His ability to read defenses is mediocre, his accuracy is mediocre, and his football IQ is mediocre. He's got heart and instinct, I'll grant him that - but until I see that translate into wins in the NFL he doesn't have jack shit. A good college QB - sure. A good NFL QB...not so fast.
An exciting scrambler? I cringe when I think of him surveying the defense, giving a quick look to his checkdown, and then "blink" he's off scrambling for 4 yards - and a hard thump from some head-hunting linebacker. There's nothing that I've seen or heard that makes me think that he's a much more mobile version of Brandon Weedon. I hope that I'm wrong.
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Weedon? Did he ever improvise on a play?
He got stuck under the giant American flag, for cryin out loud.
Let's face it - Manziel has some serious skills. I just hope that we're right
about the Browns knowing exactly how those skills translate into the NFL.
You shouldn't even bring up Weedone in the same thread as any qb on the Browns' roster now.
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Well, I'm definitely not a holier-than-thou-do-gooder. When I got married and stopped running the bars
11 years ago I was granted my own wing in the Drunk and Stupid Hall of Fame. Again, as long as he leads
us to the promised land, I don't give a shit what the kid does in his off hours.
My point is this: he was drafted as the future leader of the franchise, and one of the big reasons he was still
on the board at 22 is because of concerns about his past history. Does JM getting hammered on weekends
mean he is an out-of-control alcoholic? Of course not. What I'm saying is that the media shit storm over his
partying is of his own making. He (and his friends) are the ones posting his antics on social media. I have no
doubt that Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning have gotten shit-faced in the past. The difference is that you
never hear about it because they don't get shit-faced and then post it for the world to see and then bitch about
the negative attention their own actions are bringing them.
What I'm saying is JM needs to use his head, just a tiny bit. He knew coming in that he had a less than stellar
reputation as far as his personal habits. We know that he was aware of this negative perception because of his
own statements before and after the draft concerning his behavior. JM can negate a lot of the negative coverage
if he will just stop posting photos every time he gets hammered. Stop feeding your detractors with the ammunition
that allows them to say "See, we told ya so, you wasted a draft pick."
Tone it the fuck down. Resist the urge to let the world in on every time you scratch your ass. I know that is a tall
order in todays low-rent reality show mind-set that drives people to share every minute tidbit of their personal
lives with the rest of the world. Right now, JM's his own worst enemy. A lot of the negative attention can be negated
if he will just use a little discretion.
I agree with this as well. He's in the spotlight, he needs to be more careful.
But, something to ponder...what do you think would have happened if the technology we have today was available when Joe Namath was drafted? What about when Marino was drafted?
This age of connectivity means anything can be recorded and put on the internet at any time by any one. It's no longer "don't want to be on tv, avoid reporters." Now it's "don't want to be tv, sit in your locked house with the windows drawn."
That person probably didn't want to be posted on The Browns Board. But now they are. And that only took 2 seconds. Imagine if that was a Heisman trophy winning quarterback with his friends in a bar.
I agree with this as well. He's in the spotlight, he needs to be more careful.
But, something to ponder...what do you think would have happened if the technology we have today was available when Joe Namath was drafted? What about when Marino was drafted?
This age of connectivity means anything can be recorded and put on the internet at any time by any one. It's no longer "don't want to be on tv, avoid reporters." Now it's "don't want to be tv, sit in your locked house with the windows drawn."
That person probably didn't want to be posted on The Browns Board. But now they are. And that only took 2 seconds. Imagine if that was a Heisman trophy winning quarterback with his friends in a bar.
To a certain extent you're right- but as Mik said- there's people in the world with a higher profile than Manziel who manage to go out and have a good time without getting their pictures plastered all over the internet. He needs (or Haslam needs) to get Giudo the cell phone stomper every time he heads out to party. & Like I said Luck and Manning have the keycode to the private entrance to St. Elmos. They can go into the basement party room, get shitfaced drunk- or have an orgy down there, get back into the limo- and no one saw a damn thing.
JF had better realize the stage suddenly got one hell of a lot bigger, now that he's graduated to the NFL. Sure, have a good time but realize the paparazzi are going to be on you like stink on shit. Choose who you party with carefully may be a good suggestion.
Yes- it's way different today than it was in the Namath and Marino era. Or going even farther back than that to the (cheatin' womanizing) Kennedys.But the whole nature of reporting has changed- there was a modicum of restraint back then- now, it's anything goes.
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Weedon? Did he ever improvise on a play?
He got stuck under the giant American flag, for cryin out loud.
Let's face it - Manziel has some serious skills. I just hope that we're right
about the Browns knowing exactly how those skills translate into the NFL.
You shouldn't even bring up Weedone in the same thread as any qb on the Browns' roster now.
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@everlastingxxx said:
You made a horrible assessment of the skill set of Manziel. Honestly i think you lack knowledge on the subject and you probably lack general football knowledge. The final sentence proved that you knew you could possible be wrong and hedged your bet. Lame.
He lacks football knowledge because he gave a critical review of your boy? With that myopic view point, you are the one who can't see past JB's mighty 5'3" exterior. (For the record, that was a joke, I know he's an impressive 5'11") Your boy hasn't done shit for our (not "our" as you and me, but as in me and all the other Browns fans) Browns yet, and hopefully his scrambling, and sometimes throwing a 3 Flies Up prayer will translate to the NFL, but right now, he is nothing more than a celebrity, much like the Kardashians are celebrities.... Famous for being famous, as he has done as much in the NFL as I have. N O T H I N G
As soon as your boy leads my Browns to an 11-5 record and a playoff win or two, then he'll be my boy too. Until then, he's just a distraction, and an annoying one at that.
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Isn't it ironic how many are convinced JFF will not make it as a pro QB and at the same time profess how much they trust this current staff to make all the right decisions. Does that include their assessment that he was the only QB they felt could play earlier than any other selection out there as well as taking him as the best long term prospect?
Logic on this board eludes me. I don't see a lot of it concerning trusting this full staff selection at QB.
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The quality of this board is rapidly declining.
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Isn't it ironic how many are convinced JFF will not make it as a pro QB and at the same time profess how much they trust this current staff to make all the right decisions. Does that include their assessment that he was the only QB they felt could play earlier than any other selection out there as well as taking him as the best long term prospect?
Logic on this board eludes me. I don't see a lot of it concerning trusting this full staff selection at QB.
Isn't it ironic how many are convinced JFF will not make it as a pro QB and at the same time profess how much they trust this current staff to make all the right decisions. Does that include their assessment that he was the only QB they felt could play earlier than any other selection out there as well as taking him as the best long term prospect?
Logic on this board eludes me. I don't see a lot of it concerning trusting this full staff selection at QB.
Most of us Browns fans (those without the words Texas, Aggies or Johnny in our forum name or description, and who have been here before May 8 2014) trust where the new FO has us headed, but we are not anointing Justin Gilbert into the HoF just yet. We all have high hopes on all of our draft picks, but we all realize it's still just hopes.
As where all you fans of a player, who proclaim themselves as "Browns fans" L M A O!!!!!! act as though JB has already won as many Super Bowls, as he has had kooool InstaTwitter posts this week.
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!
Andrew Luck spotted out in public partying
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24600317/photos-colts-qb-andrew-luck-at-the-world-cup
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!
Andrew Luck spotted out in public partying
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24600317/photos-colts-qb-andrew-luck-at-the-world-cup
....really? Are you really going to pretend that's anywhere close to what JF has done? Lol
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@mike-h said:
I don't even know what that means, but it's provocative.
quality does not = quantity.
if we were to compare my BAC it should be based on the latter.
i didn't know you made it to australia? thought you were just going to hawaii?
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I agree with this as well. He's in the spotlight, he needs to be more careful.
But, something to ponder...what do you think would have happened if the technology we have today was available when Joe Namath was drafted? What about when Marino was drafted?
This age of connectivity means anything can be recorded and put on the internet at any time by any one. It's no longer "don't want to be on tv, avoid reporters." Now it's "don't want to be tv, sit in your locked house with the windows drawn."
That person probably didn't want to be posted on The Browns Board. But now they are. And that only took 2 seconds. Imagine if that was a Heisman trophy winning quarterback with his friends in a bar.
To a certain extent you're right- but as Mik said- there's people in the world with a higher profile than Manziel who manage to go out and have a good time without getting their pictures plastered all over the internet. He needs (or Haslam needs) to get Giudo the cell phone stomper every time he heads out to party. & Like I said Luck and Manning have the keycode to the private entrance to St. Elmos. They can go into the basement party room, get shitfaced drunk- or have an orgy down there, get back into the limo- and no one saw a damn thing.
JF had better realize the stage suddenly got one hell of a lot bigger, now that he's graduated to the NFL. Sure, have a good time but realize the paparazzi are going to be on you like stink on shit. Choose who you party with carefully may be a good suggestion.
Yes- it's way different today than it was in the Namath and Marino era. Or going even farther back than that to the (cheatin' womanizing) Kennedys.But the whole nature of reporting has changed- there was a modicum of restraint back then- now, it's anything goes.
To a certain extent you're right- but as Mik said- there's people in the world with a higher profile than Manziel who manage to go out and have a good time without getting their pictures plastered all over the internet. He needs (or Haslam needs) to get Giudo the cell phone stomper every time he heads out to party. & Like I said Luck and Manning have the keycode to the private entrance to St. Elmos. They can go into the basement party room, get shitfaced drunk- or have an orgy down there, get back into the limo- and no one saw a damn thing.
JF had better realize the stage suddenly got one hell of a lot bigger, now that he's graduated to the NFL. Sure, have a good time but realize the paparazzi are going to be on you like stink on shit. Choose who you party with carefully may be a good suggestion.
Yes- it's way different today than it was in the Namath and Marino era. Or going even farther back than that to the (cheatin' womanizing) Kennedys.But the whole nature of reporting has changed- there was a modicum of restraint back then- now, it's anything goes.
I don't trust that even if JM did as Luck and Manning do, that some of the sleazy media wouldn't make up a story and slap in a picture from their files. It seems the dye has been cast and the feeding frenzy is on.
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Johnny Manziel hasn't done anything wrong. Get off our QB's dick and buy yourselves a dildo. I hope to God that he's a "In your face, bitch!" type player and gets the media's panties all in a bunch. Fuck em, they've been hating on Cleveland for the longest time, so, nothings changed. It's just that we've now got a QB that says, "Fuck you, you bitch, bite me".
I fucking LOVE IT!
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^ PoeticG is a wise man.
Hello everyone, Daddy's back.
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yeah Po. we all know what you love.
thanks a lot schleprock.
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Tony Grossi's article gets completely overlooked. He says that Manziel has been exemplary in meeting rooms and on the field. Nothing but professional in his approach. He said he had palpable leadership qualities. Why doesn't this get air time. One guy, asks the question, "Is the guy working?". But nobody wants to hear the non-bs stuff. They want to hear what they want to hear. One paragraph, in one article, buried immediately, because it doesn't sell newspapers, magazines or gets website hits.
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Tony Grossi's article gets completely overlooked. He says that Manziel has been exemplary in meeting rooms and on the field. Nothing but professional in his approach. He said he had palpable leadership qualities. Why doesn't this get air time. One guy, asks the question, "Is the guy working?". But nobody wants to hear the non-bs stuff. They want to hear what they want to hear. One paragraph, in one article, buried immediately, because it doesn't sell newspapers, magazines or gets website hits.
Tony Grossi's article gets completely overlooked. He says that Manziel has been exemplary in meeting rooms and on the field. Nothing but professional in his approach. He said he had palpable leadership qualities. Why doesn't this get air time. One guy, asks the question, "Is the guy working?". But nobody wants to hear the non-bs stuff. They want to hear what they want to hear.
Because a bunch of people having a mid life crises feel the need to bash Manziel because they are afraid to address their own deep seeded superiority issues.
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what up walt?
but no to your post. it's more like it's time for a kid to become a man and act responsible. every JF fan wants manziel tobe the face of the franchise. do you realy want the money phone guy to be the face of 'your' franchise?
if you say yes then you are just as irresponsible as he is. and it's got nothing to do with he hasn't done anything wrong. he hasn't. it's not against the law to look like a moron, drunk on a pool float.
but you sure look dumb as hell.
i'd like to hear from his own mouth that he might actually be listening and he might try and do some things differently. right now he's giving cleveland fans the big FU by saying he's going to do what he wants. ask JT and JH if they do things the same way.
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