New Deal for Hoyer?
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We have not had a QB start 16 games since Couch, JFF will start a game sometime this season. If I were Hoyer I would sign now, play it out, then cash in when and if he loses his starting job to JFF. There will be plenty of suitors if he wants to continue being a starter elsewhere. Now I ask was his good play a product of Turners offense or a product of Hoyer becoming a quality starter in any offense? That question will be answered early I believe.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
Didn't the Browns pay Delhomme something like $3 million? I'd ask for a ton of performance incentives- and I'd bet the Browns would be more than happy to oblige.
Didn't the Browns pay Delhomme something like $3 million? I'd ask for a ton of performance incentives- and I'd bet the Browns would be more than happy to oblige.
Did Delhomme's contract have to do anything with the veteran minimum? I don't know at all about that but that might have made a difference. Interesting about the incentive-based contract idea though, definitely hit or miss but could be good for Hoyer.
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google is your friend...
In 2010 we paid Delhomme $7MM and Caroline chipped in another $12.7MM for $19.7MM total. I'm gonna guess the offer to Brian will be slightly less...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
google is your friend...
In 2010 we paid Delhomme $7MM and Caroline chipped in another $12.7MM for $19.7MM total. I'm gonna guess the offer to Brian will be slightly less...
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We have not had a QB start 16 games since Couch, JFF will start a game sometime this season. If I were Hoyer I would sign now, play it out, then cash in when and if he loses his starting job to JFF. There will be plenty of suitors if he wants to continue being a starter elsewhere. Now I ask was his good play a product of Turners offense or a product of Hoyer becoming a quality starter in any offense? That question will be answered early I believe.
Now I ask was his good play a product of Turners offense
now that's hilarious!! lol.
that offense and staff that led us to a 4 and 12 season.
yep norv's career has been looking up since?????
and the chargers fired shottenheimer. biggest joke ever.
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Now I ask was his good play a product of Turners offense
now that's hilarious!! lol.
that offense and staff that led us to a 4 and 12 season.
yep norv's career has been looking up since?????
and the chargers fired shottenheimer. biggest joke ever.
now that's hilarious!! lol.
that offense and staff that led us to a 4 and 12 season.
yep norv's career has been looking up since?????
and the chargers fired shottenheimer. biggest joke ever.
Ok then, we can agree he is good and it wasn't just a product of the system, cause that is what I am hoping for.
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I think Hoyer would be a complete idiot to sign any deal until we see how the season starts to play out. The only way I can imagine him signing would be a lot of incentive language increasing the money significantly if he ends up the starter for x amount of games etc. I am sure his agent agrees.
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well right now the ball is in his court, literally. if he signs now, plays like shit or get's hurt again, at least he got the money. if he decides to wait plays like shit or get's hurt he's screwed. then there's the upside.
it's a risk. just wondering if he's got the balls to roll the dice. i'm hoping the guy plays at an all-star level and makes it through the year and then gets what he wants.
there have many that have taken that risk and failed and many that have won. i hope it's the latter.
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well right now the ball is in his court, literally. if he signs now, plays like shit or get's hurt again, at least he got the money. if he decides to wait plays like shit or get's hurt he's screwed. then there's the upside.
it's a risk. just wondering if he's got the balls to roll the dice. i'm hoping the guy plays at an all-star level and makes it through the year and then gets what he wants.
there have many that have taken that risk and failed and many that have won. i hope it's the latter.
well right now the ball is in his court, literally. if he signs now, plays like shit or get's hurt again, at least he got the money. if he decides to wait plays like shit or get's hurt he's screwed. then there's the upside.
it's a risk. just wondering if he's got the balls to roll the dice. i'm hoping the guy plays at an all-star level and makes it through the year and then gets what he wants.
there have many that have taken that risk and failed and many that have won. i hope it's the latter.
If he signed a short-ish term contract for a couple of years, and then plays lights out and leads cleveland to the playoffs, there will be no shortage of teams willing to pay him the money after that contract expires. It's if he can wait a couple of years, having taken a reasonable pay bump this year or not.
If I'm him, I sign.
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well right now the ball is in his court, literally. if he signs now, plays like shit or get's hurt again, at least he got the money. if he decides to wait plays like shit or get's hurt he's screwed. then there's the upside.
it's a risk. just wondering if he's got the balls to roll the dice. i'm hoping the guy plays at an all-star level and makes it through the year and then gets what he wants.
there have many that have taken that risk and failed and many that have won. i hope it's the latter.
If he signed a short-ish term contract for a couple of years, and then plays lights out and leads cleveland to the playoffs, there will be no shortage of teams willing to pay him the money after that contract expires. It's if he can wait a couple of years, having taken a reasonable pay bump this year or not.
If I'm him, I sign.
If he signed a short-ish term contract for a couple of years, and then plays lights out and leads cleveland to the playoffs, there will be no shortage of teams willing to pay him the money after that contract expires. It's if he can wait a couple of years, having taken a reasonable pay bump this year or not.
If I'm him, I sign.
Agree with the logic, but I would not sign today. Perhaps not even by opening day...
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Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension, per sources. Hoyer is headed into last year of his deal.
Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension, per sources. Hoyer is headed into last year of his deal.
Its a no-brainer to get Hoyer signed. He was just showing glimses of what he could do going underfeated before getting hurt. Im for Hoyer on opening day and maybe beyond, Johnny has plenty of time get up to speed. This is one of the best 1 and 2 quarterback combos we have had in years...
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Since this seems to be the closest thing we have to a BH thread...
I found yesterday's report that BH has been organizing pass sessions with WRs Hawkins and Johnson interesting. He also said his knee was 100%.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000364864/article/browns-brian-hoyer-im-100-percent-healthy
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I thought that was interesting too. Not that he would be working out and throwing to guys, but why those two guys?
I can't help but wonder if some political crap comes about in a situation like this. Two QBs fighting for the job, a bunch of new wideouts to the team, like the perception of a "sides" situation.
Not like a real sides situation, but it stands to reason that whoever gets the nod at QB would have a lot of sway in what receivers make the team, and especially for some of the bubble guys they don't want the perception of picking one guy over the other.
It all works itself out in the end l'm sure, but if you're Joe Schmo undrafted guy, l wonder if you worry about stuff like that. Does that make any sense?
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I thought that was interesting too. Not that he would be working out and throwing to guys, but why those two guys?
I can't help but wonder if some political crap comes about in a situation like this. Two QBs fighting for the job, a bunch of new wideouts to the team, like the perception of a "sides" situation.
Not like a real sides situation, but it stands to reason that whoever gets the nod at QB would have a lot of sway in what receivers make the team, and especially for some of the bubble guys they don't want the perception of picking one guy over the other.
It all works itself out in the end l'm sure, but if you're Joe Schmo undrafted guy, l wonder if you worry about stuff like that. Does that make any sense?
I thought that was interesting too. Not that he would be working out and throwing to guys, but why those two guys?
I'd guess it's as simple as they are in the area and interested in the work.
Any voice BH might have in determining roster spots would be minimal, but syncing up with the QB destined for 1st team reps can't be a bad move.
On another note...
"Jaws" is doing his bottom-to-top, QB ranking of the league's starters on NFL Live. Here are his comments:
"Number 26 on my Quarterback Big Board is Brian Hoyer. I have always liked Hoyer. I believe he can be a quality starter. He has a better arm than many think.
"Hoyer is a comfortable pocket QB. As that touchdown showed he understands Safety rotations and how to manipulate the secondary to take advantage of one-on-one match-ups on the outside. Hoyer plays with a natural sense of rhythm and timing that often can't be taught.
"What he lacks is experience despite being in the league five years. He got the opportunity to start last season leading a come from behind victory on the road. Hoyer followed that with an efficient, mistake-free performance in a dominating win against the Bengals.
"New Head Coach, Mike Pettine, has made it clear it would take a lot to beat out Hoyer. And he's right."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I thought that was interesting too. Not that he would be working out and throwing to guys, but why those two guys?
I'd guess it's as simple as they are in the area and interested in the work.
Any voice BH might have in determining roster spots would be minimal, but syncing up with the QB destined for 1st team reps can't be a bad move.
On another note...
"Jaws" is doing his bottom-to-top, QB ranking of the league's starters on NFL Live. Here are his comments:
"Number 26 on my Quarterback Big Board is Brian Hoyer. I have always liked Hoyer. I believe he can be a quality starter. He has a better arm than many think.
"Hoyer is a comfortable pocket QB. As that touchdown showed he understands Safety rotations and how to manipulate the secondary to take advantage of one-on-one match-ups on the outside. Hoyer plays with a natural sense of rhythm and timing that often can't be taught.
"What he lacks is experience despite being in the league five years. He got the opportunity to start last season leading a come from behind victory on the road. Hoyer followed that with an efficient, mistake-free performance in a dominating win against the Bengals.
"New Head Coach, Mike Pettine, has made it clear it would take a lot to beat out Hoyer. And he's right."
"Jaws" is doing his bottom-to-top, QB ranking of the league's starters on NFL Live. Here are his comments:
"Number 26 on my Quarterback Big Board is Brian Hoyer. I have always liked Hoyer. I believe he can be a quality starter. He has a better arm than many think.
"Hoyer is a comfortable pocket QB. As that touchdown showed he understands Safety rotations and how to manipulate the secondary to take advantage of one-on-one match-ups on the outside. Hoyer plays with a natural sense of rhythm and timing that often can't be taught.
"What he lacks is experience despite being in the league five years. He got the opportunity to start last season leading a come from behind victory on the road. Hoyer followed that with an efficient, mistake-free performance in a dominating win against the Bengals.
"New Head Coach, Mike Pettine, has made it clear it would take a lot to beat out Hoyer. And he's right."
Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year.. I
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/71973/jaws-qb-countdown-weeden-at-no-26
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"Jaws" is doing his bottom-to-top, QB ranking of the league's starters on NFL Live. Here are his comments:
"Number 26 on my Quarterback Big Board is Brian Hoyer. I have always liked Hoyer. I believe he can be a quality starter. He has a better arm than many think.
"Hoyer is a comfortable pocket QB. As that touchdown showed he understands Safety rotations and how to manipulate the secondary to take advantage of one-on-one match-ups on the outside. Hoyer plays with a natural sense of rhythm and timing that often can't be taught.
"What he lacks is experience despite being in the league five years. He got the opportunity to start last season leading a come from behind victory on the road. Hoyer followed that with an efficient, mistake-free performance in a dominating win against the Bengals.
"New Head Coach, Mike Pettine, has made it clear it would take a lot to beat out Hoyer. And he's right."
Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year.. I
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/71973/jaws-qb-countdown-weeden-at-no-26
Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year.. I
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/71973/jaws-qb-countdown-weeden-at-no-26
He sure nailed that one........
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Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year.. I
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/71973/jaws-qb-countdown-weeden-at-no-26
He sure nailed that one........
He sure nailed that one........
You know, Jaws obviously has forgotten more about football than I know. It seems though the guy can't hardly ever say bad things about QB's. The guy rarely, if ever, says someone is just not good. I mean just watching the QB countdown this year he sounds like a father talking to his kids. It's stuff like "Even though Ryan Fitzpatrick throws a million Int's, fumbles all the time, and can't read defenses it doesn't mean he isn't trying out there. I think with a better coach and more starts he could be good." It might just be his personality, but everything he says has a positive spin on it. It just sets him up to look bad.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329317/article/johnny-manziel-doesnt-impress-ron-jaworski
well he said he didnt like JFF haha
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"Jaws" is doing his bottom-to-top, QB ranking of the league's starters on NFL Live. Here are his comments:
"Number 26 on my Quarterback Big Board is Brian Hoyer. I have always liked Hoyer. I believe he can be a quality starter. He has a better arm than many think.
"Hoyer is a comfortable pocket QB. As that touchdown showed he understands Safety rotations and how to manipulate the secondary to take advantage of one-on-one match-ups on the outside. Hoyer plays with a natural sense of rhythm and timing that often can't be taught.
"What he lacks is experience despite being in the league five years. He got the opportunity to start last season leading a come from behind victory on the road. Hoyer followed that with an efficient, mistake-free performance in a dominating win against the Bengals.
"New Head Coach, Mike Pettine, has made it clear it would take a lot to beat out Hoyer. And he's right."
Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year.. I
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/71973/jaws-qb-countdown-weeden-at-no-26
Well, to be fair this is the same guy who was directly quoted as saying Weeden would be a "rock-solid starter in the NFL". He also coincidentally had him at 26 last year..
Ouch...
You know, Jaws obviously has forgotten more about football than I know. It seems though the guy can't hardly ever say bad things about QB's. The guy rarely, if ever, says someone is just not good.
Agree, his break downs are good, but in the past he has tended to go easy. However, in this year's count-up, he has not sugar-coated his critiques quite as much. Still a long way form brutal, but you can tell he is being critical. So when the only negative he could lay on BH was "inexperience"...
Just laid RG3 in the #21 slot and Bradford in the 22 last nite... In Bradford's case he called 2014 a make or break year.
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