Josh Gordon Troubles
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you ever get a wisdom tooth pulled and they give you tylenol w/codeine for pain?
give me some morphine or heroin right in my veins.
codeine is worthless unless you are a 1880s hag whore.
Mik- this is Dr. Hoorta talking- and I can tell you this much. Phenergan + codeine "the purple drank" is the best damn cough medicine ever invented by man.
That said- a few things. Back in my 60s HS days- when things were a tad looser drug wise, Derelicts would pick up a bottle of codeine cough syrup, a bottle of Mad Dog 20\20 or Thunderbird (ah- What's the word- Thunderbird. What's the price? Quarter twice. How soon? High Noon.) - total cash outlay < $1, & slam them both. Crap back then, if you had a friendly guy behind the counter, you could pick up a bottle of Paregoric- which contains opium, for an even better buzz.
Yeah- as a pure pain killer codeine is pretty lame compared to the higher level opioid stuff like Vicodin and Oxycontin- but it's nowhere near as addictive either.
LOL, didya know heroin- by it's chemical name diacetymorphine, rapidly gets converted into just morphine by anyone who shoots it up? The current thinking is one of it's metabolites monacetyl morphine -is the psychoactive stuff that gives junkies their high?
Yeah- as a pure pain killer codeine is pretty lame compared to the higher level opioid stuff like Vicodin and Oxycontin- but it's nowhere near as addictive eithr
Did you know?
The effective dose for Codeine to produce a "high" is dangerously close to the lethal dose, making it one of the most dangerous opioids to abuse.
The more you know...
#Justsayin' -
The drug I would take is melange......but that won't be available for another 10 or 20 thousand years.
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you ever get a wisdom tooth pulled and they give you tylenol w/codeine for pain?
give me some morphine or heroin right in my veins.
codeine is worthless unless you are a 1880s hag whore.
Mik- this is Dr. Hoorta talking- and I can tell you this much. Phenergan + codeine "the purple drank" is the best damn cough medicine ever invented by man.
That said- a few things. Back in my 60s HS days- when things were a tad looser drug wise, Derelicts would pick up a bottle of codeine cough syrup, a bottle of Mad Dog 20\20 or Thunderbird (ah- What's the word- Thunderbird. What's the price? Quarter twice. How soon? High Noon.) - total cash outlay < $1, & slam them both. Crap back then, if you had a friendly guy behind the counter, you could pick up a bottle of Paregoric- which contains opium, for an even better buzz.
Yeah- as a pure pain killer codeine is pretty lame compared to the higher level opioid stuff like Vicodin and Oxycontin- but it's nowhere near as addictive either.
LOL, didya know heroin- by it's chemical name diacetymorphine, rapidly gets converted into just morphine by anyone who shoots it up? The current thinking is one of it's metabolites monacetyl morphine -is the psychoactive stuff that gives junkies their high?
LOL, didya know heroin- by it's chemical name diacetymorphine, rapidly gets converted into just morphine by anyone who shoots it up? The current thinking is one of it's metabolites monacetyl morphine -is the psychoactive stuff that gives junkies their high?
Also, did you know?
Codeine, morphine, and theibane are the three primary alkaloids of pure opium; therefore all opioids are synthesized from and metabolized into one or more of those 3 natural chemicals.
And yes 6-MAM is much more potent than heroin. "Black tar" heroin is created by using acetic acid to enhance the amount of 6-MAM in the drug.
The more you know...
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better living through chemistry?
mélange, you say, Gipper?
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i thought my friend was smoking an ecigarette the other day....i was wondering why the guy kept smiling and was getting lifted..........turned out to be another form of weed called 'wax'.
these dudes are nuts.
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i thought my friend was smoking an ecigarette the other day....i was wondering why the guy kept smiling and was getting lifted..........turned out to be another form of weed called 'wax'.
these dudes are nuts.
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Yeah- as a pure pain killer codeine is pretty lame compared to the higher level opioid stuff like Vicodin and Oxycontin- but it's nowhere near as addictive eithr
Did you know?
The effective dose for Codeine to produce a "high" is dangerously close to the lethal dose, making it one of the most dangerous opioids to abuse.
The more you know...
Did you know?
The effective dose for Codeine to produce a "high" is dangerously close to the lethal dose, making it one of the most dangerous opioids to abuse.
The more you know...
Did I know that? No. Does it surprise me? Again no. Probably the reason those guys back in the late 60s and early 70s were using alcohol in combination to enhance the effects. But.... if my math is correct- you'd have to slam about 4 bottles of purple drank- and 6-8 shots of Gray Goose to get up to a lethal level- probably even more that that if you were a narcotic and\or alcohol abuser. You well know abusers can build up an incredible tolerance to a drug. I mentioned before my neurologist pal saw a guy survive a BAC that would have killed an normal person X2.
Also, did you know?
Codeine, morphine, and theibane are the three primary alkaloids of pure opium; therefore all opioids are synthesized from and metabolized into one or more of those 3 natural chemicals.
And yes 6-MAM is much more potent than heroin. "Black tar" heroin is created by using acetic acid to enhance the amount of 6-MAM in the drug.
The more you know...
Well, the thing that I can't figure out is why any rational person would use heroin in the first place- knowing it's addictive potential. I had it offered to me once- and I didn't just walk- I ran in the other direction. I've seen the results up close and personal- trying to get blood tests from those guys when they show up in ER, and watching 20 gauge needles bend when you try and bust through the scarred up track marks. I won't get into the more ingenious locations the hard cores find veins to shoot up when their arms are shot- I'm sure you already know.
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've seen the results up close and personal- trying to get blood tests from those guys when they show up in ER, and watching 20 gauge needles bend when you try and bust through the scarred up track marks. I won't get into the more ingenious locations the hard cores find veins to shoot up when their arms are shot- I'm sure you already know.
When I was on the job, I used 12 and even 10 gauge caths for venous access on trauma arrest patients. I liked to go big.......for me the larger needles were the easist to stick.
99.9% of trauma arrest patients died anyhow so it didn't matter what size in those circumstances
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Time for a "Kids... don't try this at home!" disclaimer...
Meanwhile back at the thread...
Report on NFL Insiders yesterday was that Josh's case was still at the negotiation stage which apparently consists of a legal 3-way between his, the NFLPA's and the league's lawyers. The fact that it was still at this stage was taken to indicate there are circumstances that would have led to a suspension of less than the full season. However, the recent DUI may have reset the proceeding.
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They should just include the DWI, suspend him for 8 games-to-a-year and force him to get more help... Ive given up on seeing him play this season anyway...
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i would be amazed if he sees the field this year.
drafting WR next year for sure.
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The more I think about the way the NFL is handling this, the more it pisses me off. The NFL has an obligation to the organization to let them know of their decision one way or the other, and waiting until just days before camp starts is not acceptable. Who knows, maybe behind closed doors the NFL has already informed the Browns of the outcome but the Browns can't acknowledge it publicly yet........... Hopefully, one way or the other, that's the case, because it's total BS that the Browns don't know exactly what to prepare for with camp right around the corner.
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The more I think about the way the NFL is handling this, the more it pisses me off. The NFL has an obligation to the organization to let them know of their decision one way or the other, and waiting until just days before camp starts is not acceptable. Who knows, maybe behind closed doors the NFL has already informed the Browns of the outcome but the Browns can't acknowledge it publicly yet........... Hopefully, one way or the other, that's the case, because it's total BS that the Browns don't know exactly what to prepare for with camp right around the corner.
The more I think about the way the NFL is handling this, the more it pisses me off. The NFL has an obligation to the organization to let them know of their decision one way or the other, and waiting until just days before camp starts is not acceptable. Who knows, maybe behind closed doors the NFL has already informed the Browns of the outcome but the Browns can't acknowledge it publicly yet........... Hopefully, one way or the other, that's the case, because it's total BS that the Browns don't know exactly what to prepare for with camp right around the corner.
I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
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The more I think about the way the NFL is handling this, the more it pisses me off. The NFL has an obligation to the organization to let them know of their decision one way or the other, and waiting until just days before camp starts is not acceptable. Who knows, maybe behind closed doors the NFL has already informed the Browns of the outcome but the Browns can't acknowledge it publicly yet........... Hopefully, one way or the other, that's the case, because it's total BS that the Browns don't know exactly what to prepare for with camp right around the corner.
I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
I get that, but they need to get on with it for the sake of the Browns.
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I tihnk we're probably planning for life without him, but if it turns out he just misses 4 games or something then he'll be welcomed back for our playoff push...
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The more I think about the way the NFL is handling this, the more it pisses me off. The NFL has an obligation to the organization to let them know of their decision one way or the other, and waiting until just days before camp starts is not acceptable. Who knows, maybe behind closed doors the NFL has already informed the Browns of the outcome but the Browns can't acknowledge it publicly yet........... Hopefully, one way or the other, that's the case, because it's total BS that the Browns don't know exactly what to prepare for with camp right around the corner.
I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
There won't be any changes to the NFL weed laws. It will be banned regardless if were legalized in all states.
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I think they're waiting until there's some kind of indication on which way they'll go with the NFLPA regarding any changes to the weed laws. They don't want to suspend Gordon indefinitely (meaning he can't train with his team) and then make it only a fine-able offence, for example.
There won't be any changes to the NFL weed laws. It will be banned regardless if were legalized in all states.
There won't be any changes to the NFL weed laws. It will be banned regardless if were legalized in all states.
Not so fast there, diehard. Marijuana is an effective pain reliever without the physical addiction component of opioid pain relievers. I think the league would be remiss if they didn't evaluate the substantial research available on the effectivenss of pot as an analgesic. Already there are effective marijuana creams that help with pain without the user getting "high"
as well, the feds are rattling their sabers as they consider whether to come after the league for questionable control and custody issues involving opioids and player injury treatment.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20100830/marijuana-relieves-chronic-pain-research-show
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Time to recap Gordon's litany of crimes:
1. Smoking marijuana while being in the NFL
2. Driving with a BAC 0.9 in a state in which 0.8 is legal.
Thug! Retard!
Who makes these choices at 23?
Should never be allowed the privilege of playing in the NFL again!
Zombo
-- Ray Rice cold cocked his fiancé in an elevator and knocked the 110 lb. woman the fuck out. There's video. That fucker will play this year.
Zombo said:
Time to recap Gordon's litany of crimes:
1. Smoking marijuana while being in the NFL
2. Driving with a BAC 0.9 in a state in which 0.8 is legal.
Thug! Retard!
Who makes these choices at 23?
Should never be allowed the privilege of playing in the NFL again!
Zombo
-- Ray Rice cold cocked his fiancé in an elevator and knocked the 110 lb. woman the fuck out. There's video. That fucker will play this year.
Fuck, by your logic, Josh Gordon is wiser than me. That is rather sobering.
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i thought my friend was smoking an ecigarette the other day....i was wondering why the guy kept smiling and was getting lifted..........turned out to be another form of weed called 'wax'.
these dudes are nuts.
i thought my friend was smoking an ecigarette the other day....i was wondering why the guy kept smiling and was getting lifted..........turned out to be another form of weed called 'wax'.
these dudes are nuts.
I'm sorry but that is the best form of THC out there. Granted, I swear Ive never touched it, but that stuff is amazing. It is called wax, oil, and hash oil. You can put the oil into the vapor cartridge and nobody is the wiser...until you are laughing like an idiot and most likely drooling on yourself. Hypothetically speaking, obviously, if I were supposed to be on pain killers and had the option to use the oil, I'd go oil all day.
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There won't be any changes to the NFL weed laws. It will be banned regardless if were legalized in all states.
Not so fast there, diehard. Marijuana is an effective pain reliever without the physical addiction component of opioid pain relievers. I think the league would be remiss if they didn't evaluate the substantial research available on the effectivenss of pot as an analgesic. Already there are effective marijuana creams that help with pain without the user getting "high"
as well, the feds are rattling their sabers as they consider whether to come after the league for questionable control and custody issues involving opioids and player injury treatment.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20100830/marijuana-relieves-chronic-pain-research-show
Not so fast there, diehard. Marijuana is an effective pain reliever without the physical addiction component of opioid pain relievers. I think the league would be remiss if they didn't evaluate the substantial research available on the effectivenss of pot as an analgesic. Already there are effective marijuana creams that help with pain without the user getting "high"
as well, the feds are rattling their sabers as they consider whether to come after the league for questionable control and custody issues involving opioids and player injury treatment.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20100830/marijuana-relieves-chronic-pain-research-show
In California, I was using coconut oil with THC mixed into it. It was kind of like butter, and the person who made it said I could use it as such, but it did wonders for healing and pain relief. Just rub it into the areas that are bothersome, and poof, all is good. Like you said, you dont get high, but man does it work well.
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