Brandon Weeden is “outstanding” and “great”
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What you guys think I'm arguing and what I am actually trying to are completely different at this stage. I was just trying to point out Tressel isn't a saint. Then I heard "Fab Five" thus and "Michigan isn't as good" that.
Michigan vs OSU isn't the only thing I'm thinking about lol. I'm posting on a forum, just like anyone else. I'm sorry if I'm a minority opinion.
I'm not being an ass about anything cuz I'm not trying to make the points you're saying I am.
Hell Gipper called me a dick before I really said anything...
What you guys think I'm arguing and what I am actually trying to are completely different at this stage. I was just trying to point out Tressel isn't a saint. Then I heard "Fab Five" thus and "Michigan isn't as good" that.
Yes, you heard truth on the internet. No one said Tressel is a saint.....its just that his improprieties are really blown out of proportion. Sure, he didn't rat on his players. BFD. Compare that to the sleaze that we all know goes on in the SEC. Cam's Dad wants a couple hundred K. Why? Because that was probably the going market rate probably for a good SEC QB......as I am sure his dad was aware, because so many other probably got that cash.
Michigan vs OSU isn't the only thing I'm thinking about lol. I'm posting on a forum, just like anyone else. I'm sorry if I'm a minority opinion.
I'm not being an ass about anything cuz I'm not trying to make the points you're saying I am.
Hell Gipper called me a dick before I really said anything...
Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
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More good players come from Ohio. Alright, cool. That literally has nothing to do with the current "debate" and I'm not gonna disagree. I would just say then OSU should do a better job of holding on to their Bo's, Howard's and Woodsons.3 of the years we got pummeled were under RRod. Most people knew that was going to be a very difficult transition for many reasons. At least 3 other of those times were what, 4 or less point games? Crabke being an idiot, missed 2pt, etc. OSU isn't as untouchable as you seem to think. Urban will get a headache in a few years and we'll see what happens.
Face it, even in the Cooper era OSU overall had better players, its just that Cooper couldn't coach them in the big games because he was a choker.
The fact of the matter is that OHio produces far more better players than Michigan....and that historically Michigan's best players come from Ohio.....like their last two Heisman winners.
So, Cooper sucked, and OSU finallly got a couple of decent coaches who don't choke.
Michigan will win a few games, and will keep some games close, but overall they cannot match the quality and quantity of good players....and coaches that OSU has and will continue to have.
And again, this success came about from a trail if shady before and various run ins with the NCAA. Ever since YSU. It is tainted. That's where my distaste for Tressel comes from.
Nothing is tainted except your brain. You got a problem? Its your fucking problem....mope and groan about it. Nobody cares.
he good ole god fearing "Senator" persona he outs on while breaking and bending NCAA rules behind the scenes.
How do you think fucking Michigan gets those good players from Ohio? Because they are breaking the rules behind the scene.
Sure, losing sucks, especially close games. But losing to a shady coach while the opposing fan base either burries their heads in the sand or just says "well everyone does it". That sucks worse.
yes yes... Everyone does it. The SEC does it... Got it.
and again with the Fab Five. We get it, you're down yo deflecting. Give me some sources at least to back up your claims.
Sources....uhm, the testimonies of Jalen Rose, Chris Webber, etc. The NCAA investigation. The NCAA sanctions.
My priorities? Lol yeah. I should have used my college fund on some tiny overpriced liberal arts college. All the job possibilities! And the name recognition! Silly me for going to a top engineering, national and world school.
No, you couldn't have become an engineer at those Liberal Arts Colleges. They don't have engineering programs. They are not tech schools.
Had you chosen to go into a Liberal Arts field, yes, you would have been better off going to a top quality Liberal Arts school, like my son did.
And yes, some of them DO have outstanding name recognition among those who are in the know.
tupid of me to go to a top 3 school for my major. Those 300+ company career fairs, all the resources and opportunities, the plnane recognition, alumni base, prestige. Dumb dumb dumb.Top 3? Funny, I thought you went to Michigan, not MIT, Stanford, or Cal Tech
but based on your previous statements about colleges (Akron engineering and Miami)... you really have no credibility.
I don't know about Miami, not sure where you got Miami. I can tell you that my son's friend that went to Akron probably got just as good a job as you did, from what I understand.
As for the Liberal Arts educationm my son works for a top Pharmacology Dept. in the US right now, and is looking to go the grad school at the likes of Cornell, John Hopkins, Sloan Kettering, Weill Cornell, Berkely and the like.
So, yes, all the recognition, resources, prestige can and do come from smaller liberal arts colleges....you know like Occidental etc.
It all depends on the field.
I think we have the highest winning percentage too. We're almost tied with ND now
Well, maybe, but again, it is primarily based on pre-1920 record. Fine, that counts. But, as noted, since OSU joined the Big Ten in like 1922 they are better.
If you think OSU will now forever always be the better program you're delusional lol. You came in undefeated last year and won by a point. We're finally getting the RRod recruits out. We canned our crappy OC. I feel good. The schedule next year is tough but 2015 is the put up or shut up year for Hoke. It has been for awhile.
Pryor was seen driving 8 different cars while at OSU. Its easy to just say other schools do it. Its another thing to give that any credibility.
If I went in to liberal arts I would have been fine at a big, well respected school like Michigan. Of course, I wanted a job so I didn't go liberal arts (I'm excluding the STEM subjects from liberal arts here). Please, no hate comments all at once
We've been over the fact in other threads you literally know nothing about the relative academic rankings of schools and their programs. Within ME, Michigan was #2 my Jr year. Of course these rankings aren't the end all be all, and it is more of a relative measurement. I'm just saying, you could make the argument for top 3. Engineering overall it is really similar from like 3 to 9. They shuffle them around to sell subscriptions
yes, I've heard about your son countless times. That's great for him. I was talking about Miami Ohio. This is all in another thread already. Your cluelessnes is documented. My responses to the comments you made that were completely unrelated to the original "debate" are documented.
More good players come from Ohio. Alright, cool. That literally has nothing to do with the current "debate" and I'm not gonna disagree. I would just say then OSU should do a better job of holding on to their Bo's, Howard's and Woodsons.
Ohio State already had a HC, you know, that Woody guy, Bo's mentor, when Bo was approached to take the Michigan job. No one including Woody would begrudge him taking such a high profile job. If the OSU job was open when Bo was ready to make the jump to the big time....you better ass believe he would have chosen Ohio St. On the other two....those were a couple that Cooper let get away. Now, not so many of them get away, and really, OSU can't get every single good player that comes out of Ohio, there are just too many.
If you think OSU will now forever always be the better program you're delusional lol. You came in undefeated last year and won by a point. We're finally getting the RRod recruits out. We canned our crappy OC. I feel good. The schedule next year is tough but 2015 is the put up or shut up year for Hoke. It has been for awhile.
No, OSU will always be the better program. I guess that is, unless you get another good Ohioan to run that program like you got Bo. You did almost get one: Les Miles. From Ohio, Lorain or Elyria I think.
Pryor was seen driving 8 different cars while at OSU. Its easy to just say other schools do it. Its another thing to give that any credibility.
Pryor was not seen driving 8 different cars. Did you see him? I didn't see him. You are just aping the hate that you want because you are a Michigan dick.
If I went in to liberal arts I would have been fine at a big, well respected school like Michigan.
And you would have been stupid for doing so.
Of course, I wanted a job so I didn't go liberal arts (I'm excluding the STEM subjects from liberal arts here). Please, no hate comments all at once
So? Its all about the money? If so, then you should be willing to tell us how much this new job is paying you.....and where are you working now? Kansas/Nebraska or the like.
We've been over the fact in other threads you literally know nothing about the relative academic rankings of schools and their programs.
I know just about everything about the relative ranking of schools and their programs. A thousand times more than you do. I can read, and I had to do this process for two kids, first at the undergrad level and now I will be going through at the grad school level. Don't tell me I don't know anything about this.
Within ME, Michigan was #2 my Jr year. Of course these rankings aren't the end all be all, and it is more of a relative measurement.
Sure, absolutely they aren't...and that is why I say that Akron very well may be as good as Michigan....because it is all relative.
I'm just saying, you could make the argument for top 3. Engineering overall it is really similar from like 3 to 9. They shuffle them around to sell subscriptions
Granted.
yes, I've heard about your son countless times. That's great for him.
It is, thank goodness he is smarter than you about this.
I was talking about Miami Ohio.
Why were you talking about Miami, Ohio? I don't recall bringing Miami, Ohio into the mix......unless we are talking about Bo Schembechler's and others Alma Mater.
This is all in another thread already. Your cluelessnes is documented. My responses to the comments you made that were completely unrelated to the original "debate" are documented.
Your cluelessness is even more documented.
You went to Michigan, what greater evidence of cluelessness is there?
And who cares what the original debate was? I mean, this is a "Brandon Weeden" thread.
Can you not carry on an organic conversation? Maybe if you were a liberal arts major instead of an engineer you could do so.
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Feel free to return to insulting Weeden now...
Why? He is gone. We still got you.
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What you guys think I'm arguing and what I am actually trying to are completely different at this stage. I was just trying to point out Tressel isn't a saint. Then I heard "Fab Five" thus and "Michigan isn't as good" that.
Yes, you heard truth on the internet. No one said Tressel is a saint.....its just that his improprieties are really blown out of proportion. Sure, he didn't rat on his players. BFD. Compare that to the sleaze that we all know goes on in the SEC. Cam's Dad wants a couple hundred K. Why? Because that was probably the going market rate probably for a good SEC QB......as I am sure his dad was aware, because so many other probably got that cash.
Michigan vs OSU isn't the only thing I'm thinking about lol. I'm posting on a forum, just like anyone else. I'm sorry if I'm a minority opinion.
I'm not being an ass about anything cuz I'm not trying to make the points you're saying I am.
Hell Gipper called me a dick before I really said anything...
Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
What you guys think I'm arguing and what I am actually trying to are completely different at this stage. I was just trying to point out Tressel isn't a saint. Then I heard "Fab Five" thus and "Michigan isn't as good" that.
Yes, you heard truth on the internet. No one said Tressel is a saint.....its just that his improprieties are really blown out of proportion. Sure, he didn't rat on his players. BFD. Compare that to the sleaze that we all know goes on in the SEC. Cam's Dad wants a couple hundred K. Why? Because that was probably the going market rate probably for a good SEC QB......as I am sure his dad was aware, because so many other probably got that cash.
Michigan vs OSU isn't the only thing I'm thinking about lol. I'm posting on a forum, just like anyone else. I'm sorry if I'm a minority opinion.
I'm not being an ass about anything cuz I'm not trying to make the points you're saying I am.
Hell Gipper called me a dick before I really said anything...
Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
"Didn't rat on his players". Lol. Is there a "snitches get stitches" motto at OSU? He wasn't another player or something, he was the coach. The authority figure. Part of his job is getting everyone to follow the rules.
yes, I know the SEC is dirty as fuck. We've been over this. I would love to ser them get correctly punished as well.
So I'm still a dick if I went their for school? I only "competed" for Michigan twice at school, so am I good? If school counts too then that sucks. Why you gotta limit me like that man?
Who is the biggest dick? My bad if you said it already and I missed it
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What you guys think I'm arguing and what I am actually trying to are completely different at this stage. I was just trying to point out Tressel isn't a saint. Then I heard "Fab Five" thus and "Michigan isn't as good" that.
Yes, you heard truth on the internet. No one said Tressel is a saint.....its just that his improprieties are really blown out of proportion. Sure, he didn't rat on his players. BFD. Compare that to the sleaze that we all know goes on in the SEC. Cam's Dad wants a couple hundred K. Why? Because that was probably the going market rate probably for a good SEC QB......as I am sure his dad was aware, because so many other probably got that cash.
Michigan vs OSU isn't the only thing I'm thinking about lol. I'm posting on a forum, just like anyone else. I'm sorry if I'm a minority opinion.
I'm not being an ass about anything cuz I'm not trying to make the points you're saying I am.
Hell Gipper called me a dick before I really said anything...
Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
"Didn't rat on his players". Lol. Is there a "snitches get stitches" motto at OSU? He wasn't another player or something, he was the coach. The authority figure. Part of his job is getting everyone to follow the rules.
yes, I know the SEC is dirty as fuck. We've been over this. I would love to ser them get correctly punished as well.
So I'm still a dick if I went their for school? I only "competed" for Michigan twice at school, so am I good? If school counts too then that sucks. Why you gotta limit me like that man?
Who is the biggest dick? My bad if you said it already and I missed it
"Didn't rat on his players". Lol. Is there a "snitches get stitches" motto at OSU? He wasn't another player or something, he was the coach. The authority figure. Part of his job is getting everyone to follow the rules.
yes, I know the SEC is dirty as fuck. We've been over this. I would love to ser them get correctly punished as well.
Then STFU. Worry about the ass kicking you are going to get this coming year, not the ass kickings you got the past decade plus.
So I'm still a dick if I went their for school?
I dunno, you seem like you might be a dick no matter where you went to school.
I only "competed" for Michigan twice at school, so am I good? If school counts too then that sucks. Why you gotta limit me like that man?
Who is the biggest dick? My bad if you said it already and I missed it
I have no idea what you are talking about....to quote Charley Sheen in Ferris Beuhler's Day Off: "Drugs?"
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Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
...that...
your words hurt, but I'll try to find a way to carry on
This started because of a comment I made regarding Tressel being the reason OSU got the sanctions it did. I was met with denial, the defense of him, hearing how everyone does it, hearing how Michigan sucks, etc etc etc. I wasn't ever trying to say anything about the SEC. It was brought up and I agree with the statements made. That doesn't change the fact Tressels legacy is tainted.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
confucius once said the more one opens his mouth the better the chance his foot ends up there.
i can't believe you're still arguing the same thing. now you are just picking at a scab which will turn into a scar.
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Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
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Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
Ya see, I have no problem with Woody defending his Alma Mater. Problem is- his vaunted football team would usually be nowhere without some serious help from those guys from OHIO, starting with their most famous- Coach Saint Bo, from Barberton. Oh and a Heisman or two winner from the same state.
I got to tour MU last January visiting the Big House for the Winter Classic, and I've been to East Lansing down the road a bunch of times. Sorry Woody, I'll take the Spartans every time- and I hope they beat your sorry asses every year too.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
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How did a Brandon weeden thread turn into a Jim tressel argument?
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How did a Brandon weeden thread turn into a Jim tressel argument?
How did a Brandon weeden thread turn into a Jim tressel argument?
OSU is still involved?
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Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
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Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
Ya see, I have no problem with Woody defending his Alma Mater. Problem is- his vaunted football team would usually be nowhere without some serious help from those guys from OHIO, starting with their most famous- Coach Saint Bo, from Barberton. Oh and a Heisman or two winner from the same state.
I got to tour MU last January visiting the Big House for the Winter Classic, and I've been to East Lansing down the road a bunch of times. Sorry Woody, I'll take the Spartans every time- and I hope they beat your sorry asses every year too.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
Ya see, I have no problem with Woody defending his Alma Mater. Problem is- his vaunted football team would usually be nowhere without some serious help from those guys from OHIO, starting with their most famous- Coach Saint Bo, from Barberton. Oh and a Heisman or two winner from the same state.
I got to tour MU last January visiting the Big House for the Winter Classic, and I've been to East Lansing down the road a bunch of times. Sorry Woody, I'll take the Spartans every time- and I hope they beat your sorry asses every year too.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
For like the millionth time, I'm not saying Michugan has more high school talent than Ohio. I'm not making any comments about the two states. I'm from Ohio. I like it there and I hope to work in NE Ohio soon.
In what regards do you take the Spartans? I've been on both campuses and theirs isn't even close to Ann Arbor.
Also, its not "MU". Michigan, U of M, Umich are all acceptable though
ok... We have Charles Woodson, the best helmet and the most wins... You have tatgate and Hayes punching a player...
pretty easy, huh?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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Let's see. Woody, a liberal, soccer loving, baseball hating, founding father disrespecting pussy doesn't like Jim Tressel. That seals the deal, Tressel is a god.
Ya see, I have no problem with Woody defending his Alma Mater. Problem is- his vaunted football team would usually be nowhere without some serious help from those guys from OHIO, starting with their most famous- Coach Saint Bo, from Barberton. Oh and a Heisman or two winner from the same state.
I got to tour MU last January visiting the Big House for the Winter Classic, and I've been to East Lansing down the road a bunch of times. Sorry Woody, I'll take the Spartans every time- and I hope they beat your sorry asses every year too.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
And in NC for that matter. I have close friends who went or go to App state and to this day bring it up when they see me. I just remember around here it was like "this is the greatest upset potentially ever, but we can't show you" because it was first year that damn big ten network started.
ANYWAY, to get to this whole coaching thing. Tressell was a good coach but got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I've never defended him cause he knew it was wrong. The big 12 guy said it best the other day though: the system is set up for cheating, it's just hoping you don't get caught. It's a dilemma of do you go along with the flow to win, or swim against the tide and be mediocre. Sure, there's a lot of stuff that's objectively worse but the NCAA is so stupid it hurts to think about. Didn't Tom Izzo have to self-report a few years ago because he served one too many hot dogs which broke the how much you can feed an athlete rule? It's honestly mind-blowing. So no, I don't have sympathy for Jim.
The funny part is Ohio State ended up after a rough couple years in a much better position with Urban Meyer. That guy knows how to play the damn system like a fiiddle and while unethical (subjective debate) gets guys in. Tressell always have good recruits obviously, but Urban is just better at it. He has no qualms hitting up guys who have committed to other schools, which as I understand is an unwritten rule but not illegal.
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Meyer is a very good coach. The only negative things I've heard are pushing the "God wants you to be a Gator, son" angle and the amount of crime his players committed at UF under his watch. He definitely gets results though. I'm curious to see how long he's at OSU. Whether or not "health problems" caused by coeds move him out. But that's his thing, I don't care either way. If he sticks around for awhile though OSU will be in a very good position.
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Don't take it personal, I think anyone who goes from Ohio to play for Michigan is a dick. In essence, the biggest Buckeye/Michigan dick of all came from just a few blocks of where I sit.
...that...
your words hurt, but I'll try to find a way to carry on
This started because of a comment I made regarding Tressel being the reason OSU got the sanctions it did. I was met with denial, the defense of him, hearing how everyone does it, hearing how Michigan sucks, etc etc etc. I wasn't ever trying to say anything about the SEC. It was brought up and I agree with the statements made. That doesn't change the fact Tressels legacy is tainted.
...that...
your words hurt, but I'll try to find a way to carry on
This started because of a comment I made regarding Tressel being the reason OSU got the sanctions it did. I was met with denial, the defense of him, hearing how everyone does it, hearing how Michigan sucks, etc etc etc. I wasn't ever trying to say anything about the SEC. It was brought up and I agree with the statements made. That doesn't change the fact Tressels legacy is tainted.
His OVERWHELMING legacy is beating the fucking hell out of Michigan just about every single time he went against him.
Anything else is just haterade.
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Ya see, I have no problem with Woody defending his Alma Mater. Problem is- his vaunted football team would usually be nowhere without some serious help from those guys from OHIO, starting with their most famous- Coach Saint Bo, from Barberton. Oh and a Heisman or two winner from the same state.
I got to tour MU last January visiting the Big House for the Winter Classic, and I've been to East Lansing down the road a bunch of times. Sorry Woody, I'll take the Spartans every time- and I hope they beat your sorry asses every year too.
We have Tressell- you have Appalachian State, and you ain't ever gonna live that one down- at least in Ohio.
For like the millionth time, I'm not saying Michugan has more high school talent than Ohio. I'm not making any comments about the two states. I'm from Ohio. I like it there and I hope to work in NE Ohio soon.
In what regards do you take the Spartans? I've been on both campuses and theirs isn't even close to Ann Arbor.
Also, its not "MU". Michigan, U of M, Umich are all acceptable though
ok... We have Charles Woodson, the best helmet and the most wins... You have tatgate and Hayes punching a player...
pretty easy, huh?
For like the millionth time, I'm not saying Michugan has more high school talent than Ohio. I'm not making any comments about the two states. I'm from Ohio. I like it there and I hope to work in NE Ohio soon.
In what regards do you take the Spartans? I've been on both campuses and theirs isn't even close to Ann Arbor.
Also, its not "MU". Michigan, U of M, Umich are all acceptable though
ok... We have Charles Woodson, the best helmet and the most wins... You have tatgate and Hayes punching a player...
pretty easy, huh?
Best helmet? That god awful thing.
Look up any list of "Greatest Traditions in College Football" and guess what you will find (hint....ain't fucking Michigan they are spelling)
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How did a Brandon weeden thread turn into a Jim tressel argument?
How did a Brandon weeden thread turn into a Jim tressel argument?
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